Immigrant children's access to education, assistance may be targets of state proposals

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  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 16, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    I believe that if the parents are here illegally than the child shouldn't be a citizen and should have no rights to in state tution, or free schooling, or any other rights that U.S. citizens have. I am getting tired of men of the cloth doing their best to go against the legal systems, and advocating what is against the law or aid the illegalls in any way. They need to stick to ministing to their flock and leave anything else alone that doesn't pertane to Christ and his teaching.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    Deseret News: In a discussion that necessarily requires making a distinction between legal and illegal immigration, you are purposely attempting to erase this distinction by lumping the two together under the simple term, "immigrant."

    This you are doing in a subtle, cunning and quite deliberate effort to promote tolerance for illegal immigration, and everyone knows it. Many in the community find such dishonesty disgusting especially coming from a church-owned paper.

    "We believe in being honest." Doncha remember hearing that in Primary as a kid??

  • Alfred L.A., California
    Jan. 13, 2012 11:49 a.m.

    "where do you think these children will go delta, they are here they are not leaving they are Americans for all intents and purposes."

    They are not Americans unless they have citizenship papers. If they don't have citizenship papers they need to leave... go home... get in line. I'm sure the illegal children will find schools in their native countries to attend.

    "what we do to or refuse to do for them will effect our communities and society at large."

    What will affect our communities and society in a huge way is allowing uncontrolled illegal immigration. As a minimum we will lose our identity as a nation.

    @DN Subscriber:

    "Please stop publishing the endless stream of pro-amnesty pieces in the paper."

    Hear, hear! We need to see the DNews take at least a neutral position (such as reporting both sides) instead of always coming down on the side of illegal immigration. Give it a try, DNews management. As Fox News says: 'reporting fair and balanced.'

  • DavidNichols Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 13, 2012 6:29 a.m.

    Ned Grimly; Excellent Observation. " I have seen the Enemy, and it is us..."

    This "The Worst Recession in U.S. History" began January 2008 when America began the I.C.E. Deportations.

    Now Blame it on Mexico Americans want to Persecute Children, even legal U.S. Citizen Children.

    It is sad!

    Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.

    "America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
    Alex De Tocqueville

    A very wise 1840's French Historian.

    Prosperity naturally follows Good.

    This truly is America's Darkest Hour.

    To: Good, and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2012 5:37 a.m.

    It's about time that the laws be enforce once again. There are laws in every states constitution that declare all parents show proof of the parents citizenship before they can put their children in our schools. This law has been in place since 1847 when Utah became a state and has yet to be repealed or removed from the constitution.

    Education is not a right of occupation, education is a privilege of parents citizenship. This law may also limit birth rights so illegal parents won't have problems in deporting whole families. Citizenship is a choice and privilege and is revocable under the constitution, its time people read all the laws, not what the DN, businsess, and advocates lies about.

    BTW, child citizen status is irrelevant with the state laws, its parents citizenship. Its keeps undeserving foreign nationals out of education. Why waste education on people who cannot get jobs or benefit this country? Spending billions of dollars to hide illegal foreign nationals in our schools is senseless waste.

    Illegal immigrants is a label foreign nationals and their advocates invented, its not in the immigration laws. It is our right to 'demand' foreign nationals be removed from the schools.

  • George Bronx, NY
    Jan. 12, 2012 6:18 p.m.

    you mean the fact that illegal immigration is at a 40 year low that incompetence?

    The real question people should be asking is why so much focus on illegal immigration by the states governments what are they trying to distract the voters from noticing?

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Jan. 12, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    Stop insulting our intelligence by mixing legal and illegal together. Using immigrant for laws that go after illegal aliens (legal name) is deceptive speech.

    The Supreme court has said pulling business licenses and mandatory E-Verify is legal for states to do now. And Federal courts have allowed Alabama the right to bar people here illegally from entering into any business with the state. No drivers license, no business license, etc.

    Denying school and food programs has been struck down by courts. Utah would be wasting it's time, and our legislation knows it. So why is it used to scare Utahns into rejecting enforcement laws?

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    Just enforce our current laws. Send all illegal aliens home. Do not re-ellect politicians who refuse to send illegal aliens back home.

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    Waaa waaa waaaa. Just more pity party pro-illegal propaganda from the deseret news. So illegals are getting worried that they won't get free education for their anchor babies anymore? Maybe they should stay in mexico instead of rushing over our border with their hands out. Actually, I don't even blame the illegals for this mess. Because, after all, it is our lame-brained government that gives all these handouts (WIC, welfare, free school, free hospital care, citizenship to anchor babies, etc., etc.), and you can't blame people for taking freebies that are offered to them.

    It is high time that our government STOP giving all the freebies out, and removing those and the other magnets that bring these people here, such as being able to work under the table and send all their money back to mexico.

    It's obvious to me that most citizens are really fed up with this mess, and we need to make our voices heard by voting out every corrupt politician who panders to illegals, as well as boycotting business who hire them.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    "i have seen the enemy, and it is us..."

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    Maybe all these advocates ought to be talking to the US Congress, not individual State Legislatures. After all, isn't that who is supposed to take care of this mess? Immigration reform has been needed for decades, yet all we get is a fight about extending the government spending because a budget hasn't been passed (or even proposed) for years.

    WHY OH WHY do we put up with this incompetence????

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:10 p.m.

    Re: CHS 85 | 3:02 p.m. Jan. 12, 2012

    What American needs is a president who is willing to obey the law and defend our borders. Come November 2012 we're going to get one.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    I'm sure all you ultra-conservatives have read the Supreme Court case Plyler v. Doe.

    What you are all advocating is nothing new, and has been struck down form municipal court all the way to the Supreme Court.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    Yes, that's what we need. Legions of uneducated people in our midst. That'll really improve society.

    Like it or not, children MUST be educated or they will become a hindrance to society as a whole. If you think education children is expensive, trying not educating children.

    Once again, simple solutions for complex problems is the conservative mantra.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    Yeah, we believe in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law... except when we know the law breakers from church.

  • Casca Orleans, IN
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    "The Birthright citizenship law" (H.R.140) amending the right of illegal parents of claiming citizenship for unborn babies smuggled into our country, once again circumvent immigration laws. If the Congress does not begin to start enforcing the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) as found in the Federal Register, America will be overrun with impoverished people, seeking a way out of their own poverty in other countries; from Europe to South and Central America and every other hemisphere. This is another billion dollar expense of unfunded mandates slammed on to all taxpayers--without Representation? This are two of the most important taxpayer laws that potential presidents Mitt Romney (C+), Ron Paul (F), Rick Perry (D+), Newt Gingrich (D), Jon Huntsman (D) and Rick Santorum (D) and Borack Obama (F-) have been graded upon by NumbersUSA for their stance on the 20 million plus illegal aliens already homesteading here and laws to halt this travesty. The TEA PARTY is not for any kind of AMNESTY, Sanctuary City policies, Uncontrollable Chain Migration or state law Dream Acts.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    Bravo Legislators- let's get the job done quickly.

    There is absolutely NO excuse for having any special benefits for any person who has broken the law and is here illegally.

    If there is, why not give out new cars to speeders, pharmacy credits to drug dealers, and cash rebates to bank robbers?

    I am all for LEGAL immigrants getting benefits, but adamantly opposed to providing incentives to reward people who break the law. Don't tell me about the children of illegals who have "anchor baby" citizenship and how it hurts them. They should be the total responsibility of their parents to support them and pay for their education, in whatever country they can legally live in, with or without their parents.

    Please stop publishing the endless stream of pro-amnesty pieces in the paper. Or at least be crystal clear to distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants. This story tries to leave the impression that legal immigrants will be hurt, not those who have broken the law.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:13 p.m.

    Yet again advocates for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS try to confuse them with LEGAL immigrants. They're NOT the same.

    We've NEVER denied benefits to LEGAL residents.

    We are, and will continue to (hopefully)deny benefits to illegal immigrant trespassers.

    There ARE some things the states can do to protect their state budgets IN SPITE of the strong lobbying from amnesty advocates!

    If LEGAL IMMIGRANTS have been denied benefits they are entitled to they should contact the approriate authorities.
    ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS by definition, don't have those same rights!!

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    where do you think these children will go delta, they are here they are not leaving they are Americans for all intents and purposes. what we do to or refuse to do for them will effect our communities and society at large.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Jan. 12, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    It is sad that children will suffer because of this, however I also understand that America should be taking care of Americans first.