They certainly don't ALL support the same candidate, just most of them. Back in 2008, Romney got 89.5% of the primary vote in Utah vs 51.1% in
Massachusetts, the state he was Governor of. By comparison's sake
Obama got 64.7% in Illinois but in the most liberal (and frequently accused of
voting for Obama just because he's black) area in the nation, D.C., he got
75.3%, a mere 10 point swing versus Romney's 38 point swing.
I applaud your efforts. I've entertained the reasoning and origins of many such
myths myself. Keep up the good work.
John, you've proven my point. As I remember when the Passion of the Christ was
so popular, a lot of my friends and family members wouldn't see it because
"it is rated R". Benson's talk is a) directed at youth and b) geared
toward teaching a broader theme to stay away from forms of entertainment that
are degrading. FYI, this is still the Church's stand (see the new Strength of
Youth pamphlet). It IS a byproduct of Mormon culture, not Church doctrine, to
stay away from all rated R movies. There's even a vibrant business
in Utah dedicated to taking out the swear words in spiritually degrading movies,
just so Mormons can watch the trash while still claiming to have never seen a
rated R movie.
Since Sister Gaeth was the only female Latter-day Saint in Czechoslovakia who
had been to the temple, she had been sealed to her husband there (I do not
remember if they got married in Chicago first and then went to get sealed in
Salt Lake, or if they got married in Salt Lake outright, it was not until
sometime later that the standard of a year minimum between baptism and
endownment was introduced), she had more insight on the Church than any other
sisters in Czechoslovakia at the time. Also she and her husband had spent the
summer in Salt Lake City getting trained by President and Sister Widtsoe. She
had thus been to more fully functioning relief society meetings than any other
sister in Czechoslovakia, and so her having the position of mission relief
society president was not a situation of putting her over people who had
significantly more experience in the Church than her.I am not sure
if mission relief society presidents tended to have counselors, but some things
I have read suggest that even mission presidents at times did not have
counselors in the early 20th century.
The claim that Relief Society is a "seperate" group is just plain
incorrect. That was to some extent true when it first was organized, but
definantly since 1971 (and arguably for a time before that) the Relief Society
has been an integral and undistinguiishable part of the Church.The
fact that attendance at relief society is part of the Church meetings one needs
to regularly attend for temple worthiness purposes shows this. The roles of
mission president's wife/companion and temple matron are also more or less roles
of leadership and supervision. In some ways for the mission presidents wife
their role was even larger in the past. For example when John A. Widstoe was
president of the European Mission, his wife Leah D. Widstoe served as president
of the Relief Society, Young Women and Primary throughout the mission. Arguably
even more fun was Martha Kralickova Gaeth who in the fall of 1931 was made
president of the Czechoslovakian Mission Relief Society even though she had been
a member only since the privious March since she was the wife of the mission
president. A little more in my next comment.
Since it was a prophet of the Lord who counseled against seeing R-rated movies,
I think it is more than just a "cultural" Mormonism thing. On the
other hand if you read President Benson's actual statement, you would realize
that he is not advocating abdication of your movie choices to the raters. There
are definantly movies not rated R that if you follow his counsel you would not
watch.In response to the claim that "women can not hold any
positions of authority in the Church". I think this is built around a
flawed understanding of governance and authority in the LDS Church. It also is
built around a definition of terms that is meant to allow the accusation in the
first place. The term "authority" and not "leadership" is
deliberately chosen because women do serve in positions of leadership in the
Church, from the General Relief Society presidency on down.Such a
claim of "no authority" serves no purpose but to obscure the truth
with empty rhetoric that has no real connection to how things actually happen.
Interesting podcast, I'll have to tune in.I wonder if they'll cover
some other mormon myths like:Mormons can't drink caffeineMormons can't watch rated R moviesand other cultural but not doctrinal
topics.I also wonder if the ladies do much research for their topics
or if they're just throwing out their opinions.
All this praise for women in the church (which is most likely deserved)... but they cannot hold any positions of AUTHORITY in the church. Only in
some SEPERATE group Relief society. It is still a male dominated
faith. Like many faiths. And I, have more respect for them, rather
than treat them as 'seperate but equal' status.
Thanks for listing my blog, Emily! You totally made my day!
I,for one, have always appreciated the multiple skills of women -- especially in
the church. It is sad that when some of those talents revolve around domestic
issues that they are not considered noteworthy. My mother was and is a great
cook, but also gardener, interior decorator, and very sharp with business
matters. My wife is quite the artist, in addition to her culinary skills and
farm wife skills. The best musicians I have known, as well as writers and all
around creative people are likewise of the fairer gender.I have
usually benefited when I have headed their counsel and have been blessed by
their capacity to see more clearly than I usually do.