Blue roundup: Cougars an 11 seed?

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  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Jan. 10, 2012 9:52 a.m.


    By any estimation by any objective observer, the PAC12 stinks in basketball this year. They have consistently been outperformed by every "mid-major" and the only way the best of the PAC12 will have respectable records is by beating up on each other. PAC12 teams have been bested by the MWC, the WCC, the WAC and just about everybody else. If selections are made on the basis of past years' performance, then the PAC12 will have five teams in, but selection should be based on this year's performance, in which case, the PAC12 might have just one or two teams that merit inclusion. If, at the end of the season, the PAC12 has no team in the top twenty-five, they should receive one bid--or two, if they have a different regular season champion than their tournament champion.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Jan. 10, 2012 7:03 a.m.


    This ol' ignorant rube took yer advice and went to the PAC12 standings and found that Colorado so far has beat Utah (quality win?), Washington State( lost to Utah-ouch) and Washington, all at home. In fact, Colorado has had only two road games out of their first fifteen games! Quality wins have come against such powerhouses as Lewiston College, Air Force (overtime), Georgia(2 point), Texas Southern, and University of Nebraska, Omaha (you remember them--your quarterback played there before they dropped football). Losses have come with Wichita at home, and Maryland at home and Wyoming at home and mighty Colorado State on the road. I also found that the only PAC12 school even recieving top 25 votes in any of the polls was Stanford. If Colorado is invited to the NCAA Tournament, it will only be because they win the conference title or conference tournament in a very weak conference or get a gift from the selection committee.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Jan. 10, 2012 1:49 a.m.

    Lunardi's bracketology is "if the season ended now, Joe, how would you seed them?" Nothing more. So BYU at 11, would imply they are anywhere from about the 41st-44th best team in the country; seems pretty reasonable.

    "The PAC12 will surely get more bids than they deserve but-- Colorado?"

    I can understand questioning the buffs, but you'll have to explain how you "surely" know the PAC-12 will get more than they "deserve."

    Are you trying to base it on recent years?

    Washington, #7-> Second Round
    Arizona, #5-> Elite-8
    UCLA, #7 -> Second Round
    Total 5-3 (based on seeding should have been 3-3)

    UNLV, #8, one-and-done
    SDSU, #2, sweet-16
    BYU, #3, sweet-16
    Total 4-3, (seeding->6-3)

    How bout 2010?
    PAC-12: 3-2 (seeding->1-2)
    MWC: 2-4 (seeding->4-4)

    PAC-12: 6-6 (seeding->4-6)
    MWC: 0-2 (seeding->2-2)

    From 2006-2008?
    PAC-12: 26-16 (seeding 24-16). 3 UCLA final fours including a 1 vs 1 game.
    MWC: 3-6 (seeding->3-6)

    Based on these facts, your sure claim seems more like conspiracy.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:20 a.m.

    Colorado being projected? They are presently 14-4 and 3-0 in the Whacky-12.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Jan. 10, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    Gchris, go look at the PAC-12 standings to see why they are being projected to make the big dance... Really folks, know what you're talking about before coming into public and displaying for the world to see yer ignorance... Ignorance is not bliss it is pathetic.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Jan. 9, 2012 10:16 p.m.

    Why is anyone projecting Colorado? They lost to both Wyoming and Colorado State. The PAC12 will surely get more bids than they deserve but-- Colorado?

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    The WCC will get 3 bids this year. Any of the top 3 WCC teams would win the PAC 12 this year. As would any of the top 3 MWC teams. Both BYU and Gonzaga are well respected and The Gaels are very good this year.

  • agb Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 6:02 p.m.


    Our team may have an 11 seed but U have 11 losses.

    Hang in there lil band of transfers!


  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 9, 2012 5:45 p.m.

    Yeah, the Pac 10 is pretty weak in Basketball. They'll get about 3 teams.

    I just don't think that the WCC gets enough respect back East to get 3 teams into the Tournament. If the automatic bid ends up going to St Mary's, Gonzaga will get the only at large bid from this conference, unless BYU beats them twice in regular season. Gonzaga has a better winning reputation in tournament play and maybe better name recognition, although Jimmer and Co may have rectified that last year.

    Anyway, this sort of speculation is WAY to premature. Let's just play one game at a time!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    The only way the PAC 12 gets 7 bids is if 5 of them are to the CBI.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    MWC - solid for 3 bids
    #3 UNLV
    #8 SDSU
    #9 New Mexico

    WCC - solid for 3 bids
    #5 Gonzaga
    #8 Saint Mary's
    #11 BYU

    PAC 12 - shakey for 2 bids
    #9 Stanford
    #11 California
    #14 Colorado

    A couple of home wins against Saint Mary's and Gonzaga and sweeping the other WCC teams will move the Cougars back up to a #8 pick and ensure an at large bid.

    Not bad for a rebuilding year, sans Jimmer and Jackson, and with NINE freshmen on the roster.

    That's just the way it is.

    Jan. 9, 2012 4:42 p.m.

    IndeMak, don't make me laugh! PAC will be lucky to get three, maybe four. They are no better than the WCC this year. 5 to 7 is just laughable!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Wait... what? Last week they were an 8 or 9 seed.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    I would prefer an 11 seed to an 8-9 seed. The 8-9 seed gets the #1 seed in the 2nd round whereas the 11 seed would get the 3rd seed.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 4:14 p.m.


    Not sure where you are getting your information from but Joe Lunardi currently projects only 3 teams from PAC in the tournament (Cal, Colorado and Stanford), the same number of teams projected for the WCC (BYU, Gonzaga and St Marys). Obviously it is way too early to know how Selection Sunday will shake out but Lunardi is something of an expert on the subject. ;)

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2012 3:56 p.m.


    Not sure...

    1. where you get your info...

    2. where on earth you could even substantiate the claim that the PAC 12 will get even 5 slots

    but keep dreaming, or hating, whichever suits you.


    Agreed. everything takes care of itself if they just in.

    Predictions are stupid at this point, anything can happen.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 9, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    re:IndeMak - You're joking, right? I know it's early to start forecasting brackets, but I have yet to see any professional bracketologist forecast more than four PAC teams. I've seen several of them forecast three PAC teams. Who would you send besides Colorado, Stanford, California and maybe Arizona? There is no way the PAC is a seven team conference. But thanks for the chuckle.

    Every bracket I've seen has three WCC teams in. Assuming St Marys, Gonzaga and BYU only lose to each other - all three should be in. A couple of wins (home or away) against St Marys, Gonzaga or Va Tech would improve the Cougs seeding.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Jan. 9, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    It's hard to imagine the PAC getting 7 slots this year, but as for BYU, yes, let's just win a bunch of games please including against Gonzaga and hope that the WCC gets enough invites to at least cover the cougs. THEN we can complain about how low we were seeded...

    Just win, baby, and the rest will take care of itself. Although it is fun to hear somebody's neutral day dreaming.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    This is what is called the Utah State Factor. Win a bunch of games against poor to mediocre competition and lose against the really good teams. It gets your team a seed anywhere from 10 to 14. It usually means an early out. Only good win came against an Oregon team that looked less than inspired. The rest are simply mediocre to poor wins. The WCC is usually a one team conference. Usually goes to Gonzaga. Even if WCC is better than other conferences like the MWC, more teams from the MWC will get the nod. The Pac 12 will easily get 5-6 teams and as many as 7 this year.

  • cougardevil TEMPE, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    These "projections" seem months premature. Let's at least wait until February to project how things look for March.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    Not so fast! Maybe an 11 in another month.