Utah Utes basketball: Utes get 1st Pac-12 win in style

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  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2012 9:41 p.m.

    To all the Y fans who continue to deny Utah's basketball National Championships!

    Go watch the following videos on YouTube:

    "100 Seasons of Utah Utes Basketball - Moment 14" (1916 AAU National Champions)

    "100 Seasons of Utah Basketball - Moment 1" (1944 National Champions)

    *3 days after Utah won the NCAA Tournament, the Utes were invited to play St. John's (NIT Champion) in Madison Square Garden for the combined National Championship. Utah victorious in that game!

    Utah has a basketball National Championship, let's put this debate to rest and move on!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    Sure Stocky in Ohio, whatever delusion helps you get through the day; you make me laugh.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 7, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    Still...rationalizing... simply put... does not make 1944 a National Championship for Utah...thats the bottom line.

    ...and as for you pebbles... if 1984 was like one of the years that there was a split in the major polls and two National Champions in football were crowned...you might have a leg to possibly stand on....but the fact that there was undisputable consensus from every quater of the voting forum absolutely knocks that possible leg totally out from under you. And believe me other than people in Utah who know the facts the rest of the nation doesn't even know or remember and more than likely care that the 1944 Men's National championship in Basketball is even a debatable subject. It's not even discussed outside of Utah except possibly a small handful of dillusional non Utahn's that have some type of direct tie to U of U. Everyone else wouldn't even know what you were talking about. All they know is that Army was the 1944 Champions regardless of how that occurred.

    Jan. 7, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    "Since when is playing in a post season tournament a requirement for being named national champs?"

    Umm, since postseason tournaments were started for the purpose of deciding a national champ instead of "naming" one.

    Let's say Ohio State this coming year under their probation is the only undefeated football team at the end of the regular season, and unanimously voted number 1 by the coaches. Would we consider them even co-national champs because they were voted number 1 and won all their regular season games? I would think not.

    Stockton, I didn't mention that as a knock on Army, and wouldn't have a problem if they claimed it as a national title. They probably were the best team in the country that year, but there have been plenty of times when the best team does not win the championship, so there's no way of knowing what they would have done. From what I understand, they don't even claim themselves national champions.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 7, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Rockwell, want to talk the least meaningful supposed football champion who played who only beat a bunch of WAC teams. Trust me, the nation views byu 1984 is a far bigger joke than Utah 1944. Thanks for playing.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 7, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Funny uties, Now they all want to bring up their 1944 so called championship but want to discredit BYU's 1984 Football Championship (consensus by the way). We can all talk about what was when what should be talked about is what is. That is what bragging rights really are. Let's just face facts....Byu owns u in basketball. We have for several years now, get over it.

    Also u have turned into a one sport school. BYU has Nationsl Championships in several sports and u have a nc in how many (and I do mean consensus).

    It really is too bad that u have to spend all your profits from football to pay for tickets in basketball. That has to make the pac 12 really happy and hopeful. NOT !

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 7, 2012 10:18 a.m.

    Just checked the official NCAA website regarding the Men's Basketball Tournament and it lists as the 1944 champion Utah.

    Opinions, explanations, and commentary will do no more to change that fact than the thoughts and feelings of certain football fans will do to change what happened in 1984.

    It would be one thing if Utah's historic achievement were a flash-in-the-pan, one-time thing. But, Utah has participated in four final-fours of the tournament and two chapionship games. Before appearing in the most-recent championship game in 1998 Utah beat the defending national champion, Arizona, with all starters returning, to win the Western Region. It then beat a loaded North Carolina team. Those are also facts, not opinions.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 7, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    ...don't know what happened...was adding a point near the end about Sr cadets enduring 4 years of West Point and suddenly lost screen only to find that my post was sent...but unfinished in second to last sentence.

    Regardless...I don't feel that Army had the time for post season play. The legacy of the The Long Gray Line was a much higher priority. They I'm sure were more concerned about thier brothers in arms who proceeded them into the war and the more higher priority to be with them to help end that war that was ravaging the entire world.

    Never the less...Army still is the 1944 National champions regardless.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 7, 2012 8:26 a.m.


    Thanks for correcting my mistake. St John's did indeed win the 1944 NIT as well as the 1943. I have no problem conceeding that. I made an assumption that Army played in the NIT in 1943... but did so for years with the knowledge of knowing that Utah lost early in the opening round of the NIT...replaced Arkansas in the NCAA tournament due to a fatal auto accident and that Helms named Army the eventual National Champions. There...you did your homework a little better than I did...but it still comes to the same foredrawn conclusion. Utah did not win a National Title...and I'm almost certain... being a retired Commissioned Officer myself... that Army probably didn't play in either post season tournament because all thier Senior Cadet's graduated and shipped out immediately before the postseason for thier advanced training before being sent overseas. I'm sure after enduring the riggars of 4 years of intense West Point they wanted to spend any free time with thier families rather than playing several more games at a time when thier friends and brothers in arm You have my permission to pursue proving me wrong on that assumption as well

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 7, 2012 12:43 a.m.


    Since when is playing in a post season tournament a requirement for being named national champs?

    Utah's real record in 1944, minus pickup games, was 6-1, 3-1 in post season, with an opening round loss in the premier tournament of the day, the NIT.

    Utah's charity EXHIBITION game against the NIT champs isn't even counted in Utah's win-loss record.

    Except for three games (2 against Idaho State, 1 against Colorado College), Utah played an entire regular season of pickup games because there were literally no other teams left playing basketball in the entire intermountain region.

    Even the few teams still playing were composed almost entirely of Freshmen and a few Sophomores because all of the upper-classmen were off fighting a world war.

    Regardless, 1944 was the least meaningful NCAA championship in the history of the NCAA, and obviously, one of the least meaningful NIT championships, as Helms didn't recognize either tournament champion as the national champion.

    Jan. 6, 2012 11:26 p.m.

    Where's Stockton??, do you check facts before claiming things you don't know? Army didn't play in any postseason tourney in 1944. St. Johns won the NIT and Utah beat them a few days after the tournaments were over. NCAA recognizes Utah as NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, Helms named Army number 1, although they didn't play after the regular season.

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:24 p.m.


    No problem here -- facts are facts.

    Comparing one of the least productive periods of Utah basketball history with one of the most productive in BYU history reveals the comparison you describe (don't forget that Utah did appear in the Sweet 16 earlier in the year Dave Rose started at BYU--the same feat BYU managed last year with the NCAA player of the year).

    Regardless, the major difficulty in the last few years of Utah basketball is exactly what you allude to--the huge departure from what had been the norm for decades.

    Let's check back in a couple of years and see how things look.

    Meantime, best of luck to Coach Rose and BYU.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 6, 2012 6:47 p.m.

    1946 was the first year that the NCAA became the crowner of National Championships in mens basketball...so your example of Utah's 1947 NIT championship is no better than BYU's NIT championship in the 50's...and get serious...in 1944...Utah only played 3 games against Higer educational institutions i.e. colleges or universities... Idaho...Colorado College...and then a second expedient game against Idaho again just to meet the lowered qualification criteria to qualify for either tournament. All the other games Utah played were pick ups...many of which agains teams who had no coaches and barely able to come up with enough players to field a team period. Besides Army went on to win the NIT and were awarded the Nationasl Championship. Utah lost in the first round of the NIT...and only became a fill in for Arkansas in the NCAA because they were the earliest losing team in the NIT...otherwise the NCAA would have had to cancel the tournament. Like I said it was a great human interest story but hardly a National Title.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 6:39 p.m.

    Darth Vader

    It's sad when a once respected basketball program is reduced to talking arena size smack.

    LMU is a resident school, so almost all of the students were gone for the holiday break, at with LA traffic, it's VERY difficult to get to LMU for a 6pm start time game, otherwise the 4000+ arena would have been packed.

    What's Utes excuse for only having around 3000 fans in a 15,000-seat arena for most of the season? Most of Utah's students are local or live within easy driving distance.

    oh, and please don't insult us by whipping up the "official" attendance figures posted by the U; when the lower bowl is only 1/3 full, and the upper bowl is nearly empty, anybody with eyes can clearly see that the HC doesn't have anywhere close to 7000+ fans in attendance.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Jan. 6, 2012 6:37 p.m.

    re: neilt-
    Wow if that's not the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. A fine example of hypocrisy at it's best. Amazing how it's ok for u fans to start trashing the Y in these comments before a BYU fan even made a comment, but it's the Y fans that keep you cheering for the aggies and utes.

    Seems like during BYU's down year in football last year there was plenty of garbage on here from both of your schools of choice directed at BYU, and then you have those wonderful examples of aggie fans at the game this year that were so classy that their university had to apologize for them-

    yep, you're right; those Cougar fans make it so tough.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:54 p.m.


    Here are some more relevant facts:

    Dave Rose era (since 2005)

    BYU 172-49(77.8%), 4 conference championships, 5 NCAA tournaments, 3-8 in NCAA
    Utah 99-104(48.8%), 1 conference championship, 1 NCAA tournament, 0-1 in NCAA

    Rose is 11-3 head-to-head versus Utah, including 10 of the last 11

    The Cougars are a lock to have their 7th straight 20+ win season
    The Utes are a lock to have their 5th losing season in the last 7 seasons

    btw, BYU now leads the overall series 128-125

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:43 p.m.


    I saw just as many empty seats at the LMU game in that tiny gym last night.

    Capacity 3000?

    Where were all the local Cougar fans?

    Can't have it both ways. I thought they would fill all those small gyms?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:25 p.m.


    A couple of points you failed to recognize in your conference comparison: the Top 3 teams in the WCC would also be the Top 3 teams in a combined WCC/PAC 12 conference, by a significant margin; and Utah would be dead last in either conference.

    #15 Saint Mary's
    #22 Gonzaga
    #25 BYU
    #28 California
    #44 Stanford
    #66 Arizona

    #107 Utah State
    #110 Weber State
    #259 Southern Utah
    #260 Utah Valley
    #273 San Diego (lowest ranked WCC team)

    #307 Utah (lowest ranked PAC 12 team)

    Jan. 6, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    sportsfanforlife, do you go to Ute games or just stay home to watch the Y games on tv to make fun of them? It really is annoying.

    Rational, I totally agree with a lot of the stuff you said.

    AllSeeingEye, I agree with most of your stuff, too. Coach Rose is probably the best thing BYU has going for them. I think Utah has at least a couple more wins, though, but they will definitely be upsets. We should not be favored in any games for sure.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:06 p.m.


    "Do you think that 1940 banner counts any less towards their total number of championships than 1987?"

    The giant hole in your argument is Utah won the weakest NCAA tournament in history, but the Utes DIDN'T WIN the 1944 national championship.

    That achievement went to undefeated Army (15-0).

    It's hillarious that Utah fans keep beating their imaginary national championship drum for a team that LOST to:

    Fort Warren 59-61
    Salt Lake Air Base 39-54
    Dow Chemical 36-46

    In case you didn't notice, those aren't even real teams.

  • Stay the Course Salt Lake City, utah
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    every blind sow gets an ear of corn once in awhile

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 4:36 p.m.

    Good win for the Utes! Happy for them!

    Lots of the comments above are really rediculous. I mean, c'mon guys.

    Here are a few facts--no malice intended, just facts.

    Since the year 2000 Utah's NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament record is 4-6, for a .400 winning percentage. In that time Utah has one Sweet 16 appearance.

    Since the year 2000 BYU's NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament record is 3-8, for a .366 winning percentage. In that time BYU has one Sweet 16 appearance.

    Utah has won as many as two games in a NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament ten times.

    BYU has won as many as two games in a NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament two times.

    I wish BYU and Utah all the best in their new conferences.

    I like Utah Coach K, but I'm not sure the Utes will win another game this year--maybe one or two. I think they will be vastly improved next year and do much better than people currently expect.

    I think Dave Rose is a great coach and a class act. I look for him to have another team in the Sweet 16 soon.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Alright, time to address the "their schedule got easier in conference play" nonsense...

    The Sagarin rankings have the PAC-12 as the 7th best conference, and the WCC 11th best, it's nothing spectacular surely since 7th is pretty low for that conference, but they're hardly garbage.

    PAC-12 teams are ranked 28. Cal 44. Stanford 66.Arizona 67.Oregon State 71. Washington 92. Oregon 99.Colorado 101.UCLA 115.Washington State 146. USC 173.Arizona State 307. Utah

    WCC teams are ranked 15. St Mary's 22.Gonzaga 25. BYU 185. Loyola Marymount 194. San Fran 197. Santa Clara 210. Pepperdine 250. Portland 273. San Diego

    Yes, the WCC has some very good teams, but their 4th best team would be 12th best if put into a 13 team PAC-12. The conference has almost no depth. There's just the top three and then a cliff.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    With all the comments from fans of the blue it is no wonder we all think of the school down south as little brother! Nothing better to do than show up and be annoyingly predictable.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:46 p.m.

    Way to go, Utes and Coach K. You keep providing pleasant surprises.

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    Good win for the Utes. I always like it when Utah schools are victorious.

    I always will have a red diploma with a BYU blue heart.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:04 p.m.


    Wow. STILL waiting for you to acknowledge and compliment your own team on an article about your team...

  • Anne26 West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 2:25 p.m.

    @sammyg: I can only assume that when you are talking about all the empty chairs, you are referring to the LMU vs. BYU game? As small as that arena is, it was embarrassing to see all the empty space. We have more people at our high school games.

    The Utes are facing an uphill battle, but this win is a step in the right direction. Keep it up!!!! Go Utes!

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    @rational hahahahah good comeback hahaha. you gonna be waitin all day and night. how bout the next time any of your kitten cat fan members say anything regarding utah on a BYU article like always happens you call them out. and if you dont expect to hear from me.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    WCC rankings

    1- Gonzaga

    Actually not sure what other teams are in the WCC besides Gonzaga. Oh well none that matter anyway, just like Y football a bunch of irrelevant teams I'm sure. Probably a couple teams that get to the sweet 16 every 30 years or so but none that anybody outside the WCC even know.

    As Ducky would say "LOL"

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    re: Don'tMuss
    Your comment doesn't make sense. Loyola Marymount beat UCLA pretty soundly earlier in the year. In your next example, you may want to pick a BYU opponent who didn't already beat up on a PAC12 opponent.

    Your inference that BYU quit during the Utah game is fairly accurate. But don't think it impacted our entire season after finishing with 10 wins and likely a Top 25 ranking. One game does not a season make.

    And yes, Utah's BB team has quit during games this year. Look no further than the Colorado BB game.

    And I did offer congrats to the Utes on their win. After seeing the score of the Colorado game, I did not think U would win another game all year. Kudos!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:50 p.m.


    Still waiting for you to acknowledge and compliment your own team...

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:48 p.m.

    MLH?.......Utah may not have many butts in their seats...but the butts that are there.? Are the biggest in the state.....go Utes!

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    I had a meeting with two Wazzou grads this morning at work (both were obvious by their WSU coffee mugs). After the meeting I asked them if they had heard the result of the game. Neither had, and agreed that their team was awful & it was painful to care too deeply. Race to the bottom of the conference. Sad.

    Jan. 6, 2012 12:35 p.m.


    At least Monument Park 3rd Ward has a bigger gym than St Marys

    Jan. 6, 2012 12:32 p.m.


    Slow down Buddy, the Y is who plays San Diego (twice). I thought the news traveled faster than that. Your team is in the wcc which San Diego is a part of also. Did you guys go NAIA, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    @rational no MY point exactly. you forgot to include my part where i said its the same way on the other boards hahahah yep i'd say delusional cause you just proved my point. yall try to spin EVEVERYTHING in your favor notice how you just did it. thank you for proving my point. im dying laughin at you right now

    Jan. 6, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    BYU fans who insist the schedule is getting easier with conference play:

    You played Loyola-Marymount University. Don't even talk about schedules getting easier with conference play.
    And Washington State is 9-6 on the year. Give credit where credit is due.
    And now BYU fans are able to see what happens when a team doesn't quit when a game or season isn't going their way.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    RockOn | 11:10 a.m.

    Hopefully the Utes are improving and it's just not a terrible WSU team, although the state of the PAC12 in football and basketball is nothing to be proud of.

    Don't be silly. In football the PAC has 3 teams in the top 10 and 6 in the top 40 of Sagarin as of 12-31. The PAC South isn't great, but the top end of the conference is. The PAC is not exactly the SEC or Big 12, but still good, and the Utes are #37, nothing to sneeze at.

    Basketball however, 2 teams in the top 60. Not their best year.

    A BYU fan.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    sportsfanforlife | 11:06 a.m.

    @rational notice how im on a UTAH article and talking about byu.

    My point exactly. On a Utah article and not even mentioning your own team. (10:06) Obsessed much?

    I'm a rational fan, not a "delusional" BYU fan. My posts are complementary of players for either team (10:40), or factually based (10:40), or even complimentary of Ute fans (10:59) and not selective in their facts (much like BigUtahFan 9:21). If you notice, I acknowledged Utah's 1944 and 1947 championships and called out BYU fans for not doing so. (10:40)

    I hope the best for players of both teams, and frankly, sick of "delusional," rude, obsessed, irrational fans of both teams. If I call anyone out, it is as likely to be a BYU fan (10:40) as a Ute, just as I expressed my displeasure with BYU's play-by-play guy in the same post I observed you didn't say a single thing about your own team after they won a rare and hard-fought victory days after a blow-out loss -- something I think is worthy of acknowledging. Have you acknowledged that accomplishment yet?

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Getting a ticket to Saturday's game against Washington.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:10 a.m.

    Congrats to Coach K and some gritty Ute players for not giving up on themselves. Normally I don't read Ute articles but I was pleased the little brother of the north could start to do well and so had to read of the unexpected victory (be honest Ute fans, you were surprised as well).

    I believe Coach K is a very good coach and can right the sinking Ute basketball ship... and hope so. I enjoy the healthy parts of the rivalry and don't like it when our state is embarrassed.

    Hopefully the Utes are improving and it's just not a terrible WSU team, although the state of the PAC12 in football and basketball is nothing to be proud of.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    You gotta love all the cougars comments!
    Nice comment JP and JO, Thanks. You must be some of the "silent majority".

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:59 a.m.


    Nice post, rational about this year. Next year, who knows? In this era of "one-and-done" teams can build faster and fall faster than in eras past. If they Utes climb fast while other programs fall fast, who knows? High teens could be a possibility. If Dave Rose pulls a rabbit out of his hat and lands #1 prospect Jabari Parker, who knows what BYU could do -- for one year.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    hahahahaha i love byu fans coming on these boards talking about "worst team in history" "humiliating first round loss" hey ddelusional y fans did you forget that you have only been outta the first round ONE time in the last like 50 yrs and you had THE worst bbasketball team in HISTORY hahahaha so yeah utah fans can and will talk smack cause from the looks of this year you wont even get another ncaa bid.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    Chris B - Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It was a nice win vs. a decent Washington State team. The team competed and showed some effort. Coach Krystko showed some game time coaching skills down the stretch and the Utes won.

    To say Utah now has a shot at 9-10 wins is just downright silly talk. That would make Kryskto the coach of the year. Let's hope the Utes get to 5 wins, then maybe we can talk about 6 wins. Next year we can talk about getting into the 10 win range. That is something to build on - but don't put the ridiculous goal of 9-10 wins on this team.

    I'm really happy for the Coaching staff and the players. They continue to battle even though most of them don't have a future with the Utes beyond this season. They will be outmanned in every game they play from here on out. It is great to see Krystko getting them to play hard. Great win last night.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    Where's Stockton ??? | 7:53 a.m. Jan. 6, 2012
    Bowling Green, OH

    People often use the "The NIT was the better tournament" argument to denigrate the Utes 1944 title. The problem with that logic? They also won the 1947 NIT with many of the same players (I knew several of them), so which do you acknowledge? Better to acknowledge both their NCAA and NIT titles, since BYU won the 1951 NIT behind #2 draft pick, NBA Rookie of the Year and 5 time NBA All Star Mel Hutchins and #16 pick Roland Minson, and the 1966 NIT as well.

    Many of us grew up rooting for BOTH Utah and BYU, but having a favorite in head-to-head match-ups.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    Congrats to the Utes. That Larry has his team playing hard this deep into a difficult season says good things about coach and players.

    SoonerUte | 10:06 p.m. Jan. 5, 2012
    Salt Lake City, UT
    As Greg Wrubell would say, "No!! That is impossible. That is impossible."

    From a BYU fan -- Wrubell is horrible.

    sportsfanforlife | 10:11 p.m. Jan. 5, 2012
    Salt Lake City, UT
    i coulda sworn utah was done winning games according to the delusional y fans who think everything they do is superior even if its proven not.


    A win is a good time to congratulate your team, not obsess over fans of other teams.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    As expected...the schedule is getting easier in conference play!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    Congratulations to the coaches and players on fighting through to win. They could have easily rolled over early in the second half when things weren't going their way, but they battled back to tie it and win in overtime. Maybe they've learned a little from the football team.

    You BYU fans who love to gloat about how bad the Utes are and our attendance need to be careful. You're exposing your shallowness. Even as bad as this team is, they already have won 4 times as many games as BYU's worst team. Regarding attendance, it wasn't too long ago that BYU was filling the MC seats by offering $1 tickets to LDS youth groups all over Utah. Don't try to deny it. I saw the letters my Bishop got from the BYU athletic department every year. The same thing was done for football during the Gary Crowton era. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:07 a.m.

    Wow...the Pac12 must be a dynamic conference...I'm impressed...I hope no one else in the Pac12 twelve play San Diego and NAIA school to spoil their records...

    I am really impressed with the Pac12...Wow

    Jan. 6, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    SoonerUte, numbers aren't always telling. Despite Jig's assist numbers being down in the first half, the offense ran much more smoothly in the first half than the first 10 or 12 minutes of the second half. Coach K was absolutely right, to start the second half they almost seemed like they were just content to have been leading in the game and played the first five minutes very complacently. It wasn't until we started to get into foul trouble and didn't have any calls going our way that several players, Jiggy included, took some pride and played hard for a win. I thought Jiggy was much more selfish driving the ball rather than running the plays in the second half, but if that's what it takes to set him up to win the game I'll take it.

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    Good win for Utah. Knowing they can win close games is huge for confidence.

    A little correction to Utah Tournament history the last 10 yrs.

    2005 Lost the Them in the Sweet 16.
    2008 Lost to Arizona in the 2nd round to an underachieving team with Chase Budinger and Jordan Hill. Go ahead and google those guys and see where they are at.

    Keep it going Utes!

  • Jo Nampa, ID
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    I'm a die hard cougar, but I have to congratulate the Utes on their win last night. Great rebound after the bad Colorado loss. It seemed near impossible that a team could play so badly. I hope Ute fans can see that a team can do everything wrong one game, but that doesn't mean that's who they are.

    We got humiliated by the U on the football field, but our season says that's not who we were. (I say "we" as a fan, and to differentiate who I'm talking about.)

    If the Utes play like they did last night, there are a few more W's coming this season. USC and UCLA look really weak.

    And to the commenters that frequently bring up both teams post season history, there are schools that would love to make it half as often as both of our schools have. Yes, Utah has gone farther than BYU. I cheered for Utah to win the championship game. It wasn't easy, but I did.

    Go Utes! Go Cougars!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    @Where's Stockton

    So I was watching Indiana play Kentucky earlier this year (awesome game) and noticed all the "NCAA Tournament Champions" banners in the rafters. 1940, 1953, 1976, 1981, and of course 1987 with a runner up in 2002.

    Do you think that 1940 banner counts any less towards their total number of championships than 1987? Don't think so.

    That being said, the Utes have a long way back to get to where the program was at just a few years ago. It will happen.

    Congrats on a great win Utes! Keep your heads up.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 8:45 a.m.

    Watkins had zero assists at halftime; six for the game.
    Maybe Coach K gave a halftime speech about "its a team sport".

  • The_Kaiser Holladay, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 8:24 a.m.

    Good Win, Utes.

    No where to go but up!

  • Hawk Littleton, CO
    Jan. 6, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Nice win, utes. Coach K seems to have gotten their attention, and it's always good to see a positive response from the team.

    NeilT, thanks for that generalization about BYU fans. Sorry you've had bad experiences, but I guess every fan base has their quirks and stereotypes -- as for USU, based on the treatment BYU teams receive in Logan it's apparent that 1) your hatred for BYU runs deep and 2) you are obviously not alone....

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 8:16 a.m.

    Standings PAC 12

    Ore st
    Arizona st
    Monument park 3 rd ward deacons
    Wash st

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    Utah is now going to win the Pac 12 and coach K will be national coach of the year!

    Take that Cougars!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:53 a.m.

    Have to give the utes credit for the biggest surprise of the year. Congrats on thier 4-10 record.

    ...sorry niners...just trying to keep up with you and the other heavy hitter utey trolls. How about telling us that fairytale again about that so called 1944 National Championship that uteys have so fondly created well over the last half century...just for old times sake??? The one that supposedly happened after getting ejected from the NIT in the first round.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    Congrats to the players and to the coaches.

    Did anyone notice how it's impossible to get a photographic angle to avoid all of those empty chairs?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:40 a.m.

    A lot of irrational exuberance. Enjoy it of course, wins should always be enjoyed, but one really bad team, losing on the road in overtime to an even worse team, is hardly ground shaking stuff. I do think the assertion that getting into conference play would make things easier for the utes is correct. The pac12 is a very poor basketball conference with some really bad teams (washington st.) so the utes picking up a few wins is a very high probability.

    Congratulations though utes, as I said wins should always be enjoyed, especially when they are not easy for your team to get.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:16 a.m.

    Congratulations to the team up north. It's not that much fun to bully you guys around year after year, so I get excited at any glimpse of hope for a brighter future for UofU basketball. I hope you keep improving up to the point where our games are competitive again.

    As was pointed out earlier, BYU hit rock bottom not too long ago. We bounced back. You will too. Good luck and keep winning.

  • Mr.Reality Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 6:33 a.m.

    That's right, Ute haters. Keep kicking them while they are down. Because you know they won't be down for long. Not long before they are up and smacking you around......

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:47 a.m.

    There is a reason I a more interested in following the U and my USU aggies. It's the BYU fans not their program. Great win for Utah.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Jan. 6, 2012 5:46 a.m.

    Great game, Utah! This win is HUGE!!!!!

    Nice to see Utah make progress. Keep it up!

    Jan. 6, 2012 4:15 a.m.

    That Motum kid was unstoppable for WSU. 3-3 from 3-point range and 10-12 overall, it didn't matter who we had on him. I've now been to two Utah vs WSU games in the last two months won on a field goal in the last few seconds of overtime by the Utes. Pretty fun stuff. Even the tune from the haters is starting to change as they rationalize previous things they've claimed.

    I can reasonably see a steady rise in improvement over the next three or four years. Decent recruiting class coming in next year in addition to the transfers from LSU and EWU becoming eligible with this year's MacGyvered team having more experience. A larger and likely better recruiting class next year when all of this year's juniors graduate. We're likely to still see some more bad ball be played this year, but we've got some tough guys with short memories and that gives us a chance.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:42 a.m.

    Phoenix -

    "midpacmajor was obviously referring to Utah's LONE NCAA tournament bid since 2004, which, as you already know, ended with a vastly over-rated Utah team getting humiliated in the first round."
    I guess we've gotta give you that one Phoenix. After all, who would know better about humiliating first round games than a cougar fan?

  • Jordan Lynchburg, VA
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:40 a.m.


    Isn't it obvious that niners is making a jab? Nice try.

    How about we just congratulate the Utes for a much needed and comparatively good win! Oh, I guess the human condition won't allow for that. Oh well.

    Go Utes, let's get a few more!

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:18 a.m.

    Great win for the Utes tonight. Hopefully the team will start buying into what the coaches are teaching. We all know they aren't great this year but maybe they can pick up a few more wins.

    As for the regular coug fans talking smack - do you all realize that your powerhouse program has won a total of 3 NCAA tournament games in over 15 years. Its fine to kick us when we are down but don't be delusional about your own program. Until Jimmer came along there weren't very many things you could count on more than BYU losing in the first round. Even with his amazing talent, he only won 3 NCAA tournament games during his whole career at the Y. As far as being a storied program, you just don't qualify.

    Go Utes

  • three11stu Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:58 p.m.

    So glad I was able to watch this game on TV. Oh wait, it wasn't on here. Aren't these big PAC 12 games supposed to be on TV?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:38 p.m.


    two words: reading comprehension

    midpacmajor was obviously referring to Utah's LONE NCAA tournament bid since 2004, which, as you already know, ended with a vastly over-rated Utah team getting humiliated in the first round.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    Congrats to the players and the coaching staff. A win fixes many things, but getting confidence is priceless. Way to go Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:30 p.m.

    There now.

    Utah beat the bottom dweller in the WCC, by 5 points, at home.

    That's hardly evidence that the Utes would stand a chance of beating any other team in the WCC at home, and certainly not on the road, where the Utes haven't come within 20 points of beating anybody.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:20 p.m.


    "even Utah's loan NCAA bid in 2008 ended with a humiliating beat down by a much lower seeded team."


    First off I think you mean "lone" NCAA bid in 2008... and when you say lone NCAA bid in 2008 what do you mean? I have never heard of a team getting more than one NCAA bid in a season? oh that is because it is impossible... And if you mean their "lone" NCAA bid of all time, you are wayy far off, Utah has had 27 NCAA tourny bids.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:18 p.m.


    The only fans who care about the Utes exceeding BYU's worst season ever are whiners who desperately need such an insignificant accomplishment as winning more than one game to feel good about themselves.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Wow, one two-point, overtime win against a team that lost to UC Riverside and delusional Utah fans think the Utes are back. Get a grip. It'll be years before the Utes even sniff another NCAA tournament.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    I love the point niners just made ... BYU trolls should be embarrassed by their obvious attempts and coming on a Utah article for the shear reason of hating on the Utes after a rare victory during a very down year.
    We know you all desperately wanted to see Utah match BYU's worst season but that dream is over, they've already won 4 times as many games. LOL
    Yes Utah is terrible this year, but they'll never hit the depths we've all witnessed from the mighty Cougars.
    And for those Cougar fans who say Utah will never bounce back ... if the Cougs could go from 1 win to 22 wins in 4 years then why not a better program that will never stoop that low?
    Time will tell.
    Go Utes!

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:01 p.m.


    "...I knew once U got into conference play the schedule would be easier!...".

    UTAH is 1-1 against wcc teams.
    WSU is 2-1 against wcc teams.

    Conference play would have been easier if the UTES were in the wcc.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:00 p.m.


    You must enjoy studying ancient history. Going from being a "storied program" to being one of the worst teams in college basketball is quite a feat.

    Gotta love your enthusiasm; most fans would have had a hard time staying interested in a team that's been a train wreck since 2005 -- even Utah's loan NCAA bid in 2008 ended with a humiliating beat down by a much lower seeded team.

  • Mr.Reality Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    scott @ 10:37

    Enjoy it while it lasts, pal, because it won't be much longer......

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    Wow! The more this Utah team wins, the worse that 1996-97 BYU team was. Holy Cow! That must have been one BAD team the Cougars had. haha

  • RedBlood Happy Valley, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    **scott (Alpine)

    I will sleep so much better knowing we have met BYU fans expectations. Get real brother and don't take yourself so seriously...

  • RedBlood Happy Valley, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Was at the game with the other 8,000 fans. Good to see Ute fans come out and support the team through their lows. After all, isn't that what solid fan bases are about? KEEP COMING! The atmosphere was fantastic and the players gave it their best effort, which is really all you can ask. We may not win a ton of games this year but at least we can look at games like tonight and recognize that the program is salvageable and Coach K knows what he is doing. Let's hope the players keep bringing it and continue building momentum going into conference play. No worries - the Runnin' Utes will rise again (eventually!) !!!!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:41 p.m.

    Wow, 3 BYU troll comments have 10+ recommendations... I think BYU's "fans" care more about Utah's bball team than their own, I can't blame them, I would have a hard time being interested in a basketball team that just got their 2nd sweet 16 appearance in 40 years too.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:37 p.m.


    When it comes to basketball, it's not even debatable; BYU has been superior to Utah since Majerus left Utah and Dave Rose became BYU's head coach.

    Utah's record speaks for itself; the Utes have one of the worst teams in the country; even so, most BYU fans expected the Utes to pull off a couple of conference wins sometime during the season.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    I knew once U got into conference play the schedule would be easier!

    Congrats on the win!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:20 p.m.

    Chris B
    "Obviously this team will be inconsistent, but I still think 9-10 wins is a realistic goal. Maybe we only get to 8, but anywhere from 8-10 would be a great start."

    It would be a great start but it's not likely. Of course obviously neither were the Y fan projections of 0 conference game wins. Personally I predicted 3 conference wins after their non-conference slate was finished and I'm sticking with that.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Glad to see the Dnews being consistent in their swipes at all things UofU athletics with the demisive title of this article. Instead of something on the order of Utah wins a close one we get the Dnews drival of WSU is shocked to lose to Utah. Great game Utes, keep it up despite the biased haters.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:18 p.m.

    Well done Utes!

    I love the black jerseys, they look sharp.

    Keep working hard and as a team, don't let the stream of ridiculous Cougar fans that are soon to show up below my comment deter you.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    Great win tonight Utes!! Gotta give Coach K a lot of credit for keeping the team together despite the tough losses and injuries.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    i coulda sworn utah was done winning games according to the delusional y fans who think everything they do is superior even if its proven not.

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    I don't care what anyone says, biggest win in a long time...

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    As Greg Wrubell would say, "No!! That is impossible. That is impossible."

  • jazz4ever San Mateo, CA
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:05 p.m.

    Awesome! Hope this means they have finally turned the corner.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Holy cow!!! WSU must suck!,, we are horrible. What happened? Did WSU all foul out???

    Stunned...totally stunned!!!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Great win tonight. I'm dang proud of the Utes for giving the coaches their best effort.
    Who knows how many more W's they'll get this year, but if they continue to buy in to the what they're being taught and stay happy with each other ... well, that's all that really matters this year and will help them get the right start to next season.
    Side note, the black jerseys are sweet!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    If the Utes win a game, but nobody sees it, did it really happen?

    When Utah announced a blackout, most of us thought black shirts, not, no local television.

    Oh well, it's nice for the Utes to finish the season with at least one conference win.

  • Mr.Reality Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    Alrighty then. It is beginning to look like the Utes are merely bad; not the worst team in history. Way to go! Keep working and believing.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:51 p.m.

    Well, how about that? Go Jiggy!

    I logged on to see how badly they lost tonight. Imagine my surprise, way to go Utes!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    Doesn't surprise me one bit.... It is the "runnin" Utes after all! One of the most successful NCAA basketball programs in the nation!

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:46 p.m.

    Every now and then even a blind squirrel finds a nut. Congrats Utah on avoiding the conference wins goose egg.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:44 p.m.

    Loved the game, loved the energy from the team. Obviously this team will be inconsistent, but I still think 9-10 wins is a realistic goal. Maybe we only get to 8, but anywhere from 8-10 would be a great start.

    Loveridge will help on our way back to the top. Thanks coach K and players for an exciting night!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    Embarrassing loss for the Cougars from Pullman.