'It's a very, very sad day;' 1 officer killed, 5 wounded in Ogden shootout

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  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    80 years ago the same violence took place over alcohol. Now law abiding citizens purchase their alcohol at the grocery store or the state store. No one gets shot, no police effort is wasted controlling it. If pot was legal, no one would have died this week. It is idiotic that we continue to waste billions of dollars on the ridiculous "War on Drugs". legalize pot, go after the hard drugs and stop these unnecessary tragedies.

  • taxingthepoor SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 4:44 p.m.

    37 year old veteran.
    No criminal record.
    Worked nights at walmart

    Does this sound like a drug dealer?

  • Mae-Mayer TOOELE, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    It's true legal medical marijuana is surrounding Utah. Why are the most dangerous drugs legal in Utah and please keep on dening the natural medical attributes of that EVIL weed. No one would have been shot.

  • Irritabull CHESTER, NE
    Jan. 6, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    Has anyone taken in to consideration what this ex soldier went through on his tour of duty, seeing people blown to bits, babys burned Dead mothers lying next to helpless children.Possibly haveing been ordered to kill innocents which has gone on in Iraq for 10 years. To relieve his mind he used Marijuana.
    Condemning a man whose past you know nothing about is wrong. Marijuana does not make a person adversarial. It is a relaxant. It is also a wonderful medicine and a threat to the pharmacuetical companys who put out dangerous drugs that kill thousands of people. If a man does harm to another man he should make restitution. If he has harmed no man, he should be left alone. That is freedom. The government could make a law that toilet paper is illegal,
    bust down every door in town. Shoot the people and those that call growing a
    plant a crime would say, Oh, He had toilet paper, he broke the law. He should
    be made to pay the maximum penalty. People need to wise up. Look out for your fellow man and defend them against idiotic laws.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Jan. 6, 2012 2:54 p.m.

    With prayers for Officr Francum and his family at the "end of his watch". He is part of that thin blue line that protects us all. "We are all in the same boat, in a stormy sea, and we owe each other a terrible loyalty." G.K. Chesterton---------Semper Fi!

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    People WILL self medicate. No law will stop that no matter how hard we try. The drug of choice is the only issue at hand.

    We cannot continue to create double standards and expect the public to buy into it.

    Alcohol consumption is legal and taxable.

    Mind altering prescription drug consumption is legal and taxable.

    Home grown MJ consumption is illegal and not taxable.

    Connect the dots.

    I do not condone recreational use of mind altering substances but I am not so naive as to believe that there are not millions of Americans that do.

    If you believe that recreational cigarette, alcohol, drug and mind altering herb consumption is a societal ill, have the courage to demand the prohibition of the sale for profit of these substances and the decriminalization of production for personal use only. And then let's incarcerate anyone that commits crime in an altered state of mind as a result of the use of ALL decriminalized substances.

    Why would we allow corporations and government taxing agencies to profit from products that cause so much harm to the public?

  • realsoothsayer SANDY, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    All this apparently over a marijuana issue. This is more sad proof that we're never going to win the "war on drugs," regardless of the hundreds of billions that we spend and the cartels that we enrich. Meanwhile, the most dangerous drugs of all (alcohol) continues to be socially acceptable, and we can seem to keep it off the roads! I don't use either alcohol or the illegal drugs, but this is more proof that the Super Nannie approach to society will never work.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:15 a.m.

    cjb, Park city Agg:

    People need to be told what to do as long as they cannot be responsible adults. Drugs, alcohol and violence go hand in hand. true, one does not always cause the other, but they do affect the way people would rationally think or act. A study from New Mexico found that 46 Domestic Violence related homicides in a 3 year span, involved drugs and/or alcohol 65% of the time. This is not caused by police cracking down on drugs, but by addicts who cannot function in society because of their addiction.

    In addition, 40% of homicides in UT are Domestic Violence related. While there is no data on the use of alcohol or drugs in these situations, i would bet(i'm speculating of course) that the numbers in UT are similar to the ones in NM.

    The National Institute of Justice states that there is a high correlation between substance abuse and domestic violence. Drugs are not innocent little herbs and spices like you may think.

  • MrsH Altamont, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 10:08 a.m.

    you make some valid points about the temptation angle...forbidden fruit and all that.

    By the way, last time I was in Arizona and Colorado both, I saw a "Marijuana Clinic".
    Blew my mind.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    This is very sad.

    What adds to this sadness in my opinion is the uselessness of drug enforcement efforts, put another way, these officers didn't die for a worthy cause. If enforcement actually made a difference in people using drugs, I wouldn't have this opinion but it doesn't.

    I have never taken illegal drugs. Why? because I was taught that they degrade quality of life. They are addictive, they bring on health problems. Had I not believed what I was taught and wanted to take illegal drugs, I could have done it. Drug enforcement efforts have failed to make them unavailable to anyone who wants to take them. Drug enforcement efforts are very costly and buy us nothing.

    As one possible solution, I am open to the government taking a fraction of the cost of these efforts and provide drugs to people who want them, in a non glamorous environment. This would throw the criminal gangs out of business and eliminate the crime caused by users and cost the government less than it is spending now. The fact that these drugs could then be gotten in sterile (non fun) clinics, also probably would mean the temptation to use would lessen.

  • Badger55 Nibley, Ut
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    thomas smith:

    You do realize that search and seizure is different from criminal prosecutions, right? So much so that the founding fathers made them separate amendments in the constitution. Probable cause and oath or affirmation is all that is needed to seize persons or property. You can't claim one part of the Constitution and not the other. And, a judge does hear the actions of the person to be seized before he signs a warrant.
    Nowhere in the constitution does it say a person can kill another in defense of property.
    If you think there is nothing saying they can't, then turn your eyes to the 10th Amendment:
    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or the people".

    In other words, states have their own powers to make laws as long as they are not contrary to the US Constitution. And, in the State of Utah, deadly force can only be used in defense of serious bodily injury or death, not property.

    How else do you propose to enforce laws and bring people before a judge?
    Let me guess, refer to the old west and let everyone shoot everyone in the streets? You do realize what damage automatic weapons could do in such a situation, don't you?

    The killer was in the wrong. The cops were in the right. That is why he will be brought before a judge and tried by a jury of his peers. I doubt he will be acquitted. Most likely Capital punishment.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    Jan. 6, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    I do not live in Utah, but I have a great deal of family in Weber County - a cousin is a police officer. I was saddened to hear the news.

    I am distressed, however, when I read comments suggesting that laws restricting mind altering drugs are a waste. There seems to be the mentality that the way to lower crime is to make everything legal. The way to get out of debt is to print more money.

    I for one do not want my children growing up in a world where such drugs are common place and used widely by their peers. Perhaps the war against drugs is not doing so well, but from what I see, it's because law enforcement is fettered greatly in how they are allowed to function. In some cases, they are allowed to be shot at, but they can't shoot back. So many attempts in society to defend against criminals are responded to with crushing law suits and criticism.

    My heart goes out to the families involved. But I am grateful that such people exist who are willing to take the risks.

  • ParkCityAggie Park City, Ut
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    War on Drugs takes another victim - and not because of stupid overdose or anything like that. Very sad. The guy was growing Marijuana. In a couple of adjacent state's the police wouldn't have even bothered with this one, and here we have a dead police officer and 5 others wounded. I hope our satisfaction of telling others how to live their lives was worth the sacrifice.

  • Incite Full Layton, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 7:09 a.m.

    Once again Ogden leapfrogs West Valley as the worst place to work in law enforcement.

    Condolences to the fallen and wounded officers. You have a tough job in a tough part of the state.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:36 a.m.

    @ Midvaliean "Drugs don't cause violence." Um, and they don't cause increased costs to our medical system, psychological problems from their abuse, injuries because of altered judgment. Just like we have no assaults or DUI accidents from alcohol because you can acquire it alcohol legally.

  • JRJ Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    One bad guy had the fire power of a battalion while our officers were relegated to hand guns. It's pretty easy to outnumber Glocks with AKs. Our officers need to be permitted to carry fire power that matches the bad guy's.

    I'm so sorry this happened. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and other officers. My son daily wears the badge into the night as well, and believe me, I do care. Just because there was a marijuana plant in the house does not mean it was the cause. Like several have stated - leave it alone until a complete investigation is finished.

  • wear2manyhatz Holladay, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    This probably won't make me popular, but here goes...

    Some people will call it the start of the Apocalypse.

    Some will cal it Satan in action.

    I call these incidents extraordinary tragedies for the victims, but also for the perpetrators.

    In Ogden, people were drug abusers. Others must be mentally ill. I hate to say this, but as the pressure on people keeps growing, I fear there will be more of this.

    With all my heart, I pray, in my own way, for each victim, that they and their families will heal; that families who lose loved ones will find strength. And that "perps" will get the help they need.

  • Thomas Smith Sandy, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    This event certainly bring a lot of thoughts to mind amid the sorrow felt for family and fellow officers.

    In spite of what the police version will be, One) I am not in favor of the United Military State the Law Enforcement has begun. Two) Whether there was probable cause for service a search warrant in the dark hours of the night, the People of the United States believe that their home is a castle, and that their rights and property can be defended with firearms.

    Until Law Enforcement understands the Constitutional mind set of Americans, Crashing a door even after momentarily knocking, is not a safe or non-violent way to enforce the law. Unfortunately, this will not be the last incident in America if we keep whipping up the aggressive and military front of the Police. You Cannot call this type of activity protecting and serving a man who is innocent until proven guilty, and is endowed with all of the rights of Citizenship, until his actions are meet with an impartial Judge(?) and a Jury.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    This never should have happened! Who authorized this ambush gone bad? Great police officers should never have been placed in that position under non exigent circumstances.

    Here we have an emotionally distraught war vet who apparently harmed noboby previous to this horrible event. They had to have had some intel on their suspect and his state of mind. Information revealed that the suspect coped with life's curves using his own herbs (illegal as it were). He was not a dealer according to family sources. Ironic that he would have been left alone if he were an alcoholic. Law enforcement would not have had any interest in him and he could have continued to suffer silently with his mental afflictions.

    The decision is somehow made to not capture him on his way to work at Wal-Mart and getting a search warrant for the evil weed. Instead, a plan is hatched to bust down his door at night while families next door are in their homes which resulted in a needless shootout and unnecessary death of a good man.

    Was it really necessary to do things this way? If I were the families of the fallen and injured officers, I would be asking a lot of questions regarding strong armed tactical procedures on such a minor offense.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Jan. 5, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    I am so sorry for this tragedy.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    Jan. 5, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    The article does not say what weapon the suspect had. If he had any type of assault rifle, or automatic shotgun and the officers only had handguns that would explain why 6 officers where hit. Or maybe he fired safely from cover when they went into the house. I am just speculating, but we may get more information that clarifies how 6 officers were hit, and the suspect only has minor injuries.

  • dlw7 LOGAN, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    Only a few days ago we read of people who put their lives in harm's way to save three young children from drowning in a freezing river. Now we read of other people who put their lives in harm's way to enforce the laws of this State and protect us from lawbreakers and those who make drugs a part of their lives. Those men who pulled those children from the river and those who were part of the arrest in Ogden are heroes. All except one walked away from their experiences. One gave his life. We all, everyone of us, should be grateful we have men like these among us.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 2:08 p.m.

    As the details come out, it sounds like this Matthew guy knew he was in trouble, and knew his home was surrounded when police were knocking on his door. He was ready, alert, barracaded, armed and loaded, waiting for police to come in, one-by-one, in ambush fashion. The police pushed and pushed because they knew they had to end the situation before a neighbor became a victim.

  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    My prayers are with the Francom family and the Ogden Police Department.

    I am retired from police and fire agencies in the Bay Area, and this is a loss to everyone who has ever been in one of the public safety professions. When I first saw the news last night that six officers had been shot while serving a warrant at a residence, I thought of the day two years ago when four officers were murdered in my neighboring city of Oakland after following a parolee to his home. They were also killed by a single attacker. Unless we were there, or are those officers' supervisors, we have no business second-guessing how that could happen or what, if anything, they could have done differently.

    This is also a loss to civilized society, which depends for its protection on people who run toward danger while others are running away.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Another tragic death in this ridiculous war on drugs.

    We learned nothing from prohibition... when you outlaw something crime and violence associated with it become major issues. When something is legalized it can be better controlled.

  • Hard Focus DENVER, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:50 p.m.

    'Midvaliean': A lie? Tell that to the deceased/wounded Officer's families. Your addled attempt to defend marijuana is indefencible.

  • mtmanmc Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    I'm going to share another fact, that holds true for combat ready Veterans. When a Veteran responds. The first minute being woken up from sleep everything is on automatic responds to danger. That first minute responds to danger is a survival skill. The responsibility of police is to know that they are dealing with a veteran. That first minute is very dangerous. Time for a veteran to become orated to actual danger is very important otherwise there is a conflict.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    What amazing restraint on the part of the officers! If I had witnessed what that guy had done to my partners I would have emptied my entire clip on him.

    NOTE TO CRIMINALS: If you shoot at cops, expect to meet your maker.

    As a citizen, cops have my full blessing and support to "finish the job" if fired upon.

  • mtmanmc Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:19 p.m.

    This is another case of Police Officers who came in contact with a Veteran. It's a growing problem. I'm sad that an Officer has lost his life. I'm also sad because another Veteran has been involve. Both Police Officers and Veterans are train to use weapons. Both understand how to take action. Drugs have become a problem both legal and illegal. Once trained a Veteran will be combat ready for the rest of his/her life. Where you have two groups of people this ready there will be conflicts. It's sad that this country faces this each day. The news is full these problems.

  • Hard Focus DENVER, CO
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:18 p.m.

    Clear proof that those who use/deal in Marijuana are willing to kill Police Officers in order to continue to use/deal in their drug. Marijuana is not the benign, harmless drug it's purveyors and advocates make it out to be. The War on Drugs will continue. Dealers/users beware. Your future isn't a bright or long one.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    It's a chance the police take everyday... All in a days work.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    @cougarBlue and JBs
    Drugs don't cause violence. The war on them does. My answer may be simplistic, that is because the answer is simple. Prohibition caused violence in the past, and causes it now. If marijuana was not mis classified as a dangerous drug we wouldn't have a dead police officer this morning. Nor would we be wasting tax dollars to imprison someone who has fought for this country.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Sorry Midvaliean, that is too simplistic. It is easy, from our safe homes, to second guess the situation, but none of us were there. None of us received the same training and the same information as to what was occurring in the home, so we frankly just don't know. Nor do we know what we would do in the same position. Totally offbase comment.

    My thoughts and empathy are for everyone involved.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    "There was a marijuana plant in the house. So they send a SWAT team to make an knock-announce-kick in door entry. This seems like a good way to have violence follow."

    This wasn't a SWAT team, it was a knock and announce warrant by Agents of the Weber-Morgan Strike Force, detectives bascially. Plus we don't know all of the details of this case yet, so out of respect for this man's family, stop jumping to conclusions.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    Dear Weber Grad he could have an automatic and been in hiding just enough for the officers to come in and then sprayed them. That would be very easy, regardless of how cautious the officers were. What a sad day.

    Midvalian they didn't tell you the whole story so don't start grasping at straws to justify your comments.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:55 a.m.

    "Weber State Graduate | 10:19 a.m. Jan. 5, 2012
    Clearfield, UT
    For the life of me...I can't figure out why the tactical methods used during this event could be so weak as to allow six officers to be shot. Even with all of the intense training this strikeforce goes through, bad guy scores 6, good guys score 1. Don't mean to 2nd guess and play armchair critic, but it just doesn't make sense that one bad guy could do this much damage. "

    Let me explain it simply to you- a man with an assault rifle in a position of advantage inside of his own home. He lured them into the fatal funnel, simple as that.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Reading this story brought many tears and much sadness for the officers and their families. What a tragic event. I feel sorry for the parents and family of this deranged individual. How blessed we are to have such fine men and women that desire to make our communities safe by putting their own lives on the line. I was born in Ogden and lived there for 57 years and had such a great love and respect for our police force. I was privileged to work with them in Neighborhood Watch and was appointed to the Safety Council by the Mayor which gave me many opportunities to also work with the Ogden Police force. They are trained so well and they are good men and women. Our thoughts and prayers are with all their families and we hope and pray they will all recover soon. They need all of our prayers and support.

  • westcoastlife saltlake city, utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    the father has spoken out about his son.

    Mattew had no serious criminal record its all on the news briefs of KSL radio

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    Tragic. Condolences and prayers go out to the Francom family and the wounded officers. One question remains: Why was the criminal in this event only wounded?

  • vallejo saltlake city, utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:21 a.m.

    Mattew D.stewart was a gulf war veteran His father had spoken out already)
    Our thoughts in prayers to all those Effected from this tragedy

    GodBless Us all-Utah resident

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    For the life of me...I can't figure out why the tactical methods used during this event could be so weak as to allow six officers to be shot. Even with all of the intense training this strikeforce goes through, bad guy scores 6, good guys score 1. Don't mean to 2nd guess and play armchair critic, but it just doesn't make sense that one bad guy could do this much damage.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    We can never thank our law enforcement officers enough for their hard, and often dangerous, and sometimes deadly service.

    My thoughts and prayers go out to the officers, and their families.

    Illegal drugs, and those who deal in them, (and the users as well!) are the scourage of society, and must not be tolerated.

    May justice take its course.

    And as for the comment that the "alleged" killer had been in the military, that is totally irrelevent. He probably went to public schools, drank milk as a kid and sometimes ate carrots, also irrelevant. Stop trying to demonize military people who serve and protect us in jobs at least as difficult as law enforcement. (Yes, even though a tiny fraction of cops and military people do turn out to be rotten apples.)

  • westcoastlife saltlake city, utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    The whole state is mourning in Grief as this past new week

    They released the names of the other Officers who may not make it out of Intensive care?
    The young man Mattew D Stewart only 37 who was being served had other problems from before very difficult times.

    Now thier family is so too in ~mourning sad times of news Flags Lowered down)

    They released his name already he has been in the military gulf war veteran)

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    Stewart will get the death penalty for this one.

    Drugs are just purely evil. There is never a "simple" drug raid. Those that deal in drugs are extremely violent, and have zero empathy for those around them.

    My sincere sympathies to the officers and families of those wounded, and especially to the one who was killed in action. He tried to make the city a better place to live in.

  • skylinestar saltlake city, utah
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:59 a.m.

    press conference on Fox here in salt lake 9;00am now on news KSL radio SaltLake City Utah
    This gun man who was being served has been in the militaryAnd was armed with weapons.
    Our prayers go out to the wounded in recovery but thier all in the hospital still,one officer died already.

  • Gosh-DUH Burlington, CT
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Condolences to the family of the police officer who was killed. Prayers for the other police who were injured. could someone give some background about what is happening in Ogden? this sort of thing seems to be occurring with some regularity. May the murderer receive swift justice. Tragic that these officers who are protecting the community are killed and wounded. Thanks to WTIC 1080 radio here in CT for reporting the tragic death of the officer before it was available in the DN online.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    Jan. 5, 2012 8:10 a.m.

    It's a shame an Officer has lost his life while in the line of duty and my praies are with his family and the City of Odgen and the Police department for their lost of a fine Officer. I hope the DA office can prove that the person they went after killed this officer along with what ever drug charge are file against him.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    What is the picture that is shown along with the headline of one of these stories on DN's front page? The guy with the florescent red hair?