Warren Jeffs issues revelations amid new allegations of girls being 'held' by FLDS

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  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    I would reccomend that some people read about the Short Creek Raid. Arizona went into what is now Colorado City, and hauled most of the men off to jail and the children from their parents.

    In some ways the FLDS are as reclusive and at odds with society in general as they are as a result of that raid. I have at least read that the distinctive dress of the FLDS came about as a result of occurances after that raid.

    Actually by taking over the UEP the state was trying to change the economic situation in Hilldale and Colorado City so that people would not be structurally stuck there. It is not physical force but econmic circumstances and realities that keep people there.

    However after doing nothing about the taking after about 4 or more years the FLDS decided to fight back on the UEP, and a federal judge sided with them, ignoring the fact that generally you have to at least show you are actively administering a trust to stop state takeover when it is facing multiple lawsuits.

    The AG has done much to change the situation, and probably in the ways most likely to succeed.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:27 p.m.

    I wonder if some people even read the article before commenting. It says that Jeffs phone use privaleges have been suspended because he violated the rules.

    Even the inprisoned have some rights. Banning them from writting letters to the outside can only be done with just cause. Anyway, it would neither help and would clearly be motivated by religious animus.

    I disagree with Jeffs position and tactics as much as anyone else. However it is the right of any religious leader to denounce as sinners anyone they chose. If Jeffs was calling for the killing of others, that would be an actionable statement. His calling another person a "traitor" is within his right.

    Lastly people should remember that it was Shurtleff's office's 2003 prosecution of an FLDS man for sexual relations with his underaged "wife" that caused the FLDS leadership to leave Utah and abandon the UEP in a way that allowed the state to take it over at least for a time.

    The investigation of alleged sexual trafficking of minor females should be done on the federal level because it involves transport across state lines to Texas, South Dakota and maybe other places.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Jan. 6, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    Contrary to what some claim a wife chosing to leave her husband with their children is not a case of "kidnapping". In 1855 women may have been presumed to belong with their husbands and criminal charges might be brought against those who assisted the women to leave, but after no-fault divorce, women's shelters and domestic violence laws it is not a crime to assist a woman to leave her husband.

    A wife and children sneeking off in the middle of the night is not a kidnapping, or in and of itself a crime. It is a very common occurance and usually relates to the husband being abusive. If the attorney general investigated all such cases he would not only never do anything else but be working against women fleeing abusive situations.

    As long as the women was not forcibly removed from her husband but left of her own free will, at 3am or 3pm it does not matter, the police have no case.

  • Raeann Peck Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    From people who lived in Warren Jeff's community, I've learned terribly troubling things. He is not a friend to children. His face is the face of evil.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    Our lds government sees too many similarities between themselves and the flds. They've no interest in protecting young girls from rape.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 5:10 p.m.

    It must be time to shut these religious prisons down, and for petes' sake somebody take warren's phone cards away.

  • Cora Smith BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    The AG has been winking and nodding to the clan forever, the same has always been true. Texas had the right idea. At least they stopped it, investigated the situation and showed the prophet Jeff's who's boss. These poor children has been used and abused enough already, are there no men of God with enough guts to step forward and do what need's to be done already? Where are they?

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    If this is Freedom of Religion... then they can take some of the Freedom back...
    There is no reason or excuse for this sort of insanity to be tolerated in any way shape or form.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    This whole FLDS thing needs to END! Go in to Colorado City and liberate anyone being held against their will. Place these poor girls and boys in normal homes away from their twisted elders.... sooner than later.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    The sadness of this whole event is that it is playing out like a Monty Python sketch. Nobody susppects a Spanish Inquistion Cardinal Fang...Nobody". When the walls don't come tumbling down (even if they did, they would just relocate him to another prison), and the world doesn't come to an end as Jeffs has pridicted or when he has predicted, what then for his followers. How will they cope?

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    Can they not cut off this man's access to the outside world? He is still harming people from behind bars.

  • Thomas Smith Sandy, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    Now doubt about Warren Jeffs. However the level of this article is hearsay, speculation, and an effort to raise public fear. Sex trafficking? doubtful. Taking everything from a man, including money and family? Children's services and the judicial system do this every day. Children's services will remove children forcefully, without due investigation, without legal process on incomplete forms, and deny the required hearing as well as legal aid. I am personally familiar with a case the resulted from a vengeful police officer calling his friend in Children's services, and the children ultimately were shipped to a different state-- that is child trafficking.

  • toshi1066 OGDEN, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    I'm appalled Shurtleff, a man has had his family forcibly taken from him and you "intend" to look into it? When? After you get your nails done? After those kids get brutalized and possibly sexually assaulted?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    I object to Shurtleff referring to Jeffs as "the prophet"

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Jan. 5, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    So the man's wife and 10 kids were taken(kidnapped)and the Attorney General or other law enforcement have not searched every home where there is possibility they could be? The two towns border each other at the state line. It would be reasonable to assume that they could have been moved back and forth over the border which would allow for federal help in solving this.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 5, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    Is there no way that Jeffs could be held incommunicado? He's doing a LOT of harm.