When is the time right to replace Hatch? 6 more years, 12, 18 or never?. The
time has come. For the second time in 2 years (and in my life) I will go to the
Caucus and vote against an incumbent (as did ALL 10 delegate candidates). It
worked last time and hope it will again this time. Hopefully all states will do
the same so we have no more Kennedy dynasties or a West Virginian who can hardly
hold himself up to make a speech. The Congress has arrogantly put in place an
out-of-this world retirement package for themselves. Time for him to use it.
I don't want Hatch to stay in office. That being said, I REALLY don't want
anyone worse than Hatch taking his place in office. If Liljenquist is supported
by the Tea Party, then he is worse than Hatch. It looks like we're in another
"none of the above" situtation. Sad.
Finally, a Solid Conservative Voice to replace Hatch after a long 36-years. The
over-spending in DC has to come to an end!
Yes. Let's replace Hatch -- but with Pete Ashdown.(Please consider
the name Pete Ashdown as being in Upper Case letters which are forbidden by DN's
censors.)Remember, the name is Pete Ashdown.That's
It seems to me that Hatch has had ample opportunity to get the financial affairs
of the nation in order. Now he is using the same argument that Gunn McKay used
in 1980. The seniority would be beneficial to Utah. But in 1980, Utah brought
McKay home any way, unfortunately. I've concluded that Hatch should be brought
home, too. I personally like Hatch, but it is time.
What Utah Republicans do for or against Senator Orrin Hatch. Affect me as a
Republican, who now lives in Colorado. Senator Hatch has done a very good job
for the American People. Since moving from Utah living in Montana and Colorado.
I've followed Senator Hatch and find his work in the Senate very important to
the America People. The Tea Party, I don't see them as a National Party. They
need to learn that as part of the Republican Party. That compromise has been a
part of our government since the founding of this nation. Take the seniority
away from the Republican Party can damage the party without the statesmen who
have the seniority. What have the new Senators, who Tea Party supported done
during the past 3 years? One of the Believes in Utah is Knowledge equals
Intelligence. Show me a man in his 30's who has more Knowledge than a man in his
I'm going to make a statement that draws attention to a couple of former
Senators. One a Democrat and the other a Republican both from small states
Montana and North Dakota. I held great respect for both of these men. Both serve
there states and our nation very well. One was Senate Majority Leader and the
other was Senate Minority Leader.We have for very long time have been
living with mostly one party in power in Washington since 1900.Here is
what I'm leading up to Senator Orrin Hatch knows what compromise means not only
for Utah but the whole United States of America.Look at the damage done
the past 3 years in Washington. We need more of this unwillingness to
compromise.Washington isn't only Utah there are 49 other states, which
have there views. Washington is a place where seniority counts. Until that
changes in Washington strength comes from seniority.I met Senator Hatch at
one of his sons wedding reception and in airports in many parts of this country.
He remembered me each time.Compromise is an art form, that takes time to
learn. Knowledge is power in Washington.
Oh boy. Another upstart Tea Partisan wants to "represent" Utah.
If Orrin Hatch was a true conservative he would not have supported legislation
that increased spending without finding a way to pay for it. Medicare Part D
was never funded by cutting spending elsewhere or by raising taxes, as a result
it has added trillions to the Medicare unfunded liabilities. Democrats who tax and spend are bad enough, but Republicans who borrow and
spend, sticking the next generation with the bill and nothing to show for it are
worse. Hatch's record is "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that baby on
I actually believe Hatch will represent the interests of Utah better than
Liljenquist. I also think he's much more of a conservative now after seeing
what happened to "Bailout Bob" who didn't listen to his
constituents.We should have replaced Hatch about 3 terms ago. Its
too late now. We need his seniority.I'm also not impressed with
Liljenquist. The public employees' retirement system WASN'T a problem. We
don't have ridiculous compensation for public employees like Kalifornia or other
states. Public employees don't get "bonuses", perks, etc.I
think Liljenquist made a name for himself with the public retirement issue that
REALLY wasn't an issue. One issue, does not a U.S. Senator make.Unless
Liljenquist had a great amount of "handlers" in D.C. he would be
completely and totally out of his league!
37 years old and 3 years in the Utah state legislature. Not ready for prime
I find it interesting that Liljenquist trumpets his success on pension and
medicaid reform without mentioning that the Utah State Senate is 78%
conservative Republican and that it has no filibuster rule. The idea that he
can go to the US Senate with, in all probability, 53 or 54% Republican - and not
all of them conservative, and replicate his Utah legislation on pension and
medicaid reform is laughable. And just an FYI - nobody in the state legislature
or the US Senate writes their legisation - it is done by legislative counsel in
the US Senate and legislative research and counsel in the state legislature.
Liljenquist didn't write his bills. If we had 78% Republicans in the US House
and Senate we would have a balanced budget amendment already in the bag - 15
years ago. If Liljenquist is elected he will have to get in line for 10 years
before he will get a sniff of the power he would need to do what he says he
wants to do.
It's great we have an option to vote for someone who has actually done
something, not just "promised" to do something. Promises are what
campaigns are built upon, and are soon forgotten. My vote goes to someone who
has done something in this case. It's not fun to change the system for the
better (especially with entitlement reform), but Dan has done it, so he has my
Knowing of Liljenquist's success in the Utah Legislature I was hoping he'd run.
However if he insists on catering to the Tea Party and follows the
ultra-conservative route of Mike Lee then even though I'm opposed to another
Hatch term I believe I'll have to support Hatch. We need statesmen who are
willing to find middle ground. Not ideologues.
Whatever it takes to get lilenquist out of Utah.He singlehandedly
destroyed teaching as a profession.It is now an hourly job.
Yes! Dan Liljenquist is the man who can dethrone Senator Hatch. We need people
like Dan to stop the madness in Washington!
Let's remember what Orin Hatch said when he first ran against Frank Moss for the
Senate. He said Frank Moss has served two long in the Senate and we need new
ideas, new blood. Moss served from 1959 - 1977. 18 Years. Now compare Hatch
who has served twice as long. Why was it bad for Moss to serve 18 years and
should be voted out, but it is okay for Hatch to serve 37 years, twice as long
and he should be voted in again. What hypocrisy.I say we vote out
every single one of them and start over again. Congress is corrupt,
dysfunctional and out of touch with the electorate. We need new blook and we
need it now, not peace meal by making a few changes each voting cycle.
Hatch has become Frank Moss. Too old and too long in office. He has made it a
career. Anyone wonder just how much money he's made from insider trading? He
wasn't a millionaire when he went in, but I bet he is now. Again, we don't need
another 6 years of Hatch and his cronies that he's had latched onto his back all
these years. It is shameful that he continues to associate himself with
unscrupulous goons. I can name a couple, but why bother. The fact that seniority
has played into the inner fabric of Congressional politics is rather sad. It
forces us, the constituents, to repeatedly re-elect these guys just to maintain
the power they so hungrily desire. What should exist is the fact that if the
laws Congress are considering are good, then the laws are passed. If not, then
no. But to use the power play and compromise between senior senators 'deals'?
no. That's not why we elected these guys. Hatch's time is over. His current
Congressional record is dismal. He cares more about his retirement and legacy
then what's right for the state and the country.
"Three terms are too long" was Orrin's theme in 1976. When
will the hypocrite decide 6 terms are too long?
I used to appreciate Hatch and even thanked him personally when I ran into him
in the Roof Restaurant. However, he has comprised too much. I will NEVER
forget his answer to 2 questions as reported here 2 years ago. First Question:
"Why shouldn't elected officials be required to live by the same laws they
pass for the rest of us to live under?" Answer "That might cause more
problems than it would solve." My thought: Why, because fewer people would
be wanting to "serve" in Washington without special treatment? I can
think of no other reason that would cause a "problem." Second
Question: "Where do you stand on appealing Obamacare?" Answer
"That is easier said than done." and he showed no ambition to fight
for that in the remainder of his comments. My thought "If our founding
fathers would have made decisions based on "easier said than done," we
would still be under British rule. Senator Hatch has lost his will to fight for
true conservatism and has crawled into bed with the likes of Ted Kennedy, giving
us CHIPs as well as other liberal legislation. Time for Senator Hatch to come
@clangDream act was to include Everify requirements which are the
best way to stop illegal immigration the dream act wasn't perfect but how do you
ship 18 year old kids back to a country they have never lived in? Do we put
them in internment camps on the border?Medicare part D is a long
term goal to move medicare to a a private health insurance system. Part D is
the model Paul Ryan is using to change how part A and part B are done.Even Reagan asked for and demanded debt limit increases.Read my
previous comments about TARP, We would have paid out Trillions, not billions if
we did not act to get liquidity to the banks, the only alternative was to repeal
FDIC rules. Is that what you suggest should have been done?Schip is
an iffy one I know, Hatch is not the end all be all of my day, but he is better
than olympia snowe as chairmen of the finance committee. Without Hatch, fiscal
conservative ideas wouldn't stand a chance in the upcoming years.
If you like the songs he writes while he's in DC, then vote for him again. I'd
prefer someone who can write good legislation. If this new guy will commit to no
more than two terms in the senate, I'll vote for him. The way some of you are
arguing to keep Orrin because of his seniority, you'd think he should serve
until he dies! I'd rather have someone new and energetic, even if he can't write
songs.And how did Orrin get $4M in his war chest? Serving in the
senate? Or campaigning and hitting up special interest sponsors?
@The Hammer: What has Hatch done in his many years to help the people of the
United States? He is part of the crippled crooked system that led us to the
brink of economic collapse. Career politicians aren't solving the problem, they
are part of it.
What part of the Dream Act, Medicare Part D, 16 debt ceiling increases, TARP,
and SCHIP is conservative? He knows how to get things done...well with getting
things like this done, I wish he would be impotent.
Hatch has been reelected several times because we value his seniority
perks--chairman of important committees. Hatch, however, is well past his
prime, experience notwithstanding, he will eventually have to be replaced.I like the idea of the fresh enthusiasm a new candidate brings to the
table. He is not yet corrupted by the special interests in Washington and his
voice is clear and genuine.Professional politicians have lost their
credibility with me. They pander to party extremes, blaming others and
positioning themselves for the next election. They are beholden to special
interests and thus seemingly unable to promote legislation that is in the long
term best interests of our Nation. I remember when Hatch defeated
Frank Moss and the value of his seniority was erased. I will not be voting for
Do we seriously want to give Hatch 42 years in DC? Is the goal to have Utah's
version of Strom Thurmon dying on the Senate floor. He is a nice guy, but his
votes are getting horrible. TARP, Patriot Act, NDAA, 16 debt ceiling increases,
S-CHIP, sponsor of the Dream Act, how much can we take?
@the Kaiser What would you do in the place of TARP? Without TARP we would have
had to payout TRILLIONS not billions in taxpayer money to customers of WAMU and
Wachovia. TARP was the only way to ensure banks met the ridiculous FDIC rules.
The only alternative would have been to get rid of FDIC, Is that what you are
for?@aceroinox His record includes some votes that are less than
stellar. Overall he is far more conservative than you give him credit for and it
is sad that you can't see losing him would be a disaster for the conservative
cause. He has been a great chairmen who is a thousand times better than liberal
Olympia snowe, who would get that seat. you are too smart by half in getting
rid of hatch.
The problem is Orrin's seniority. He no longer supports Conservative views, we
don't need his position in the committee. He's doing more harm than good.
Hatchrecord.com shows his liberal voting record.He's supported all sorts
of bogus expenditures. From the Senate.gov site itself quote "Orrin Hatch
is fighting to strengthen Medicare, and Medicaid." This man needs to be
replaced. He's just like every other Politician now- he wants to control our
Economy, and he's a neocon. He voted for the NDAA which obliterates our rights.
@The Hammer--Your logic would have us re-elect Senator Hatch just because he's
going to be Finance Committee chairman, in spite of his voting record? I'm
sorry, but if every state in the country followed that approach, we'd have
samo-samo government...isn't that what got us to the brink of financial ruin?
Senator Hatch's record shows he can't be relied on to hold the ground on key
financial matters, his recent election-year antics to curry the favor of the tea
party notwithstanding.What's more, his record as a chairman of a key
committee is less than stellar. If you'll recall, he was able to get a RECORD
number of President Clinton's judicial nominees approved as chairman of the
Judiciary Committee. One would naturally expect he'd be able to leverage those
remarkable, cross-aisle favors by getting an equal number of President Bush's
nominees approved in return. Did that happen? Not anywhere close: President
Bush's nominees underwent one of the most shameful and embarrassing debacles in
the history of the committee's ratification process. Senator Hatch was a model
of decorum, but refused to take the gloves off and call in his chits. In
addition, he failed to hold accountable the committee Democrats for an illegal
breach of committee security when their staffers hacked into Republican members'
secured documents. Shame on us if we rely on him again to be an effective
committee chairman!And shame on us if we re-elect him to the Senate
based on this tired and worn-out excuse for keeping an aging incumbent.
Vote Hatch out. He voted for the NDAA, which gave the executive branch the power
to arrest and detain any US Citizen without right of trial. That act alone
should make him guilty of High Treason, for he walked on a Constitutional law
that goes all the way back to the Magna Carta.Hatch has betrayed our
country with voting for TARP. We can't keep giving our politicans 'freebies'
when it comes to their follies. We ask them to be vigilant, and if they aren't,
we vote them out.Vote Hatch out.
@MatthewBehunHow are you going to get Legislation through committee
without supporter like Hatch in the committee chair? The committee chair has
the power to table bills permanently. And guess who his replacement would be if
Hatch is pushed out? Olympia Snowe! She voted for Obamacare to get out of the
finance committee where it was stalled by Hatch and other Republicans. She voted
for Obamas Omnibus bill which blew the nations budget out of the water. She is
also not going to support any changes to Medicare, Social security or Medicaid
when she is due for reelection in 2 years. You are dreaming if you don't think
that seniority on that committee means anything. That's why Chaffetz backed out
of running against him.Hatch has always supported and written
legislation that supports the same goals that conservatives support, which is
less government more freedom.
So right The Hammer. If Mr. Liljenquist gets into office he will have no real
power in Washington. I'm not saying that Senator Hatch should not eventually be
replaced, but to do it now would be the height of foolishness. Unfortunately, we
cannot replace the senority rules of Congress. I've tried to think of way, such
as drawing a name out of a cup, but to no avail. We need to work within the
system until we can find a better solution. Also, Liljenquist is extremely
conservative. I am also conservative, but not as much as he is. I would be
afraid he would be unwilling to compromise as the Founding Fathers wanted us to
do. Sorry, but my vote is for Senator Hatch. I also think he is a good guy.
@Hammer What you're saying is Orrin's strength is exactly the problem. We don't
need another 6-12 years of Orrin Hatch to be the senior and pull political
strings for us anymore. Frankly it just hasn't worked. We need more guys like
Paul Ryan who can actually WRITE good legislation. Liljenquist is this type of
legislator. How do we know? Because he's already done it here in Utah, saving us
billions in only three years work as a freshman senator. We don't need Orrin's
seniority and his vote. We need Dan and his visionary legislation.
The idea that we need to give Hatch a 7th term in the Senate because he will
have a powerful committee assignment is sickening and exposes the fact that the
system has been corrupted by bureaucrats and the lobbyists.I don't
know enough about Mr. Liljenquist to say I will vote for him, but I do know that
36 years is long enough to be in Washington, and that there are certainly dozens
of individuals capable of the job. Unfortunately, Orrin has the
money so I will just have to keep praying the LDS church calls him on a mission.
I see no other he would voluntarily give up the power that has so obviously
gone to his head.
@ The Hammer | 1:12 p.m. Jan. 4, 2012 Lehi, Utah Well said.
Losing Hatch, with a Republican win of the Senate, turns the leadership of a
very important committee to Senator Collins who is perhaps the most liberal
Republican Senator ever elected to office.People need to wake up to
the reality that in US politics, seniority is critical. We already have junior
Senator Lee trying to find his way.
Hatch has served faithfully for years. He has a good record and is far more
conservative than most of the senators back in Washington. Replacing him would
be a huge mistake. He will be the committee chair to the senate finance
committee and he has already promised to work with Paul Ryan on implementing his
entitlement reform. Hatch will also have the power to push through the balanced
budget amendment something he has wanted to do for years. He came within 2
votes last time and now he will have the votes necessary to push it through. If
we replace Hatch conservative ideas will be set back several years because the
person who will take Hatches place on the Senate finance committee will be a
liberal republican who is up for reelection in 2014. She will most definitively
NOT vote for government financial reform the way Hatch has and will (she voted
for the omnibus, voted to allow obamacare out of committee in the senate, is
outspoken against Paul Ryan's plan). We need Hatch back in office!
As a Democrat....if the Republicans put these other individuals in there besides
Hatch....they can really make certain I will vote for Hatch on a write in.
but remember tea party is a front for mega corporations and fox news of course
Goodbye Hatch. No amount of campaign funds will make up for your record as a
Senator that bows to special interest and is way too willing to latch on to
I don't care who replaces him, Hatch needs to go. The man has been in office
since 1977, he's not representing anything new or progressive.