Utah Jazz blown out by San Antonio Spurs, 104-89

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  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 7:49 p.m.

    Saltlaketeamsrule: I agree with you the biggest problem is who Corbin has on the floor to start and who he plays together. Some fit well together, some don't, Favors does't touch the ball nearly as much as he should when he is on the floor with Big Al and he doesn't go to the low block and demand the ball, he defers to Big Al, not what is needed. CJ is better than alot of the CJ haters want to admit, he isn't great but he is better than Bell for sure. I like Haywards game, he did struggle last night but his whole game is what we need, he sees the floor well, creates for others and he usually shoots much better than he did last night. Burks needs Bells time or at least half of it. With CJ and Howard on the floor we have two players that create for themselves and Harris doesn't have to create their shot like he has to for alot of others. Big Al is a black hole. We need to get Favors , Kanter, Hayward and Burks more playing time.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    @EdCullen, I think you have totally missed the point people are trying to make here, most of these posters are very well informed of the Jazz situation and realize this should be a rebuilding year (Even though Corbin and KOC both have denied it), and I think the fans are willing to deal with the losses but not when the minutes are going to a bunch of guys that are over the hill and not the young guys that provide some excitement and are going to be slow to get to the level they need to be without the minutes.

    @CJMiles, from "Dallas Texas", I think you really are CJ Miles. Anyone who is not consistent at least most of the time should not be a starter that you need to be able to count on every single game, CJ is great every 3rd or 4th game but that is not good enough.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 1, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    This C.J. person on this web and his love affair with Miles is ridiculous. If your going to quote stats quote them all and that will tell you if you can read how well your boy is playing now and has his whole career. And one thing that will not show up is his absolute stupidness all the time and especially at critical times! Send him, Bell, and Jefferson packing Greg, or this team will go nowhere guaranteed!

  • pate123 willard, ut
    Jan. 1, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    @CJ Miles; everybody must have blinders on. Well stat's don't lie do they. Maybe he should try too be more effective some way so he can add value to the team, and too himself so management can trade him:)

  • sandrus cedar Hills/ utah, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    Raja Bell is starting in the NBA, no matter how many times I hear it, I can't believe it! He is a starting guard in the NBA and averaging 3 points a game, shooting 37% and 20 on his three pointers. How is he even in the league? He is horrible, replace him with Burks. Derrick Favors has his best night as a professional with 20 points and 10 rebounds and Corbin benches him. Al Jefferson kills the offense movement and does nothing on defense, why the H would you bench Favors after his best game! I can't figure out what Corbin is thinking and I am sure his players can't either!!

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Jefferson didn't pass out of the double, triple team even once last night. What kind of post play do you call that? Jefferson makes everyone on the floor ( for our team ) worse.

    What is up with Raja Bell still starting and using up valuable playing time? We just as well start 4 0n 5, it's the same thing. I agree with the poster that said Corbins love affair with Bell will end up costing Corbin his job.( Was that you Old Timer?) It looks like that might be what it takes.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 1, 2012 1:09 p.m.

    Let me see:

    Hayward 1 - 9
    Bell 0 - 3
    Harris 2 - 8
    Watson 2 - 9

    And you want to rip on CJ: He was the only one besides Hayward who even made a 3 last night. And Haywards was in garbage time.

    CJ plays no defense yet has 3 steals last night.

    Funny how ya all have on blinders when it comes to the other guards who can't shoot the ball at all. If you want a youth movement, CJ is only 24. He outplayed all your "dream" players last night. So if your comments are to mean something, rip on Hayward for his poor shooting all season. Rip on Harris for his lack of caring or wanting to win. Rip on Bell for even showing up without a paper bag over his face. Watson can't shoot period yet he jacked up 9 shots.

    Reality is CJ should be starting and Bell should be gone.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    I think it's time to switch up the starting line up again, Raja Bell isn't giving the Jazz anything right now. Replace Bell with Howard and put Hayward at the 2 where he belongs.

  • Salt lake teams rule Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 11:23 a.m.

    How long is it going to take the jazz brass to realize that you can't start Hayward, Bell, & Milsap. As much as you may love the attitude of those 3 players, when you start all three you are at an athletic disadvantage at 3 out 5 positions. That's never going to work. It's also unfair to Harris, it puts way too much pressure on him to try and create a mismatch. Swallow your pride and start Harris, CJ, Howard, Favors, & Jefferson. Then you won't be down by ten halfway through the first quarter every single game. It looks like Corbin is getting the players to play hard, but he is doing a terrible job of managing minutes. He has to pay more attention to the +/- while players are on the floor. Bell has the worst +/- in the NBA. Watson's good +/- is a bit skewed because he gets to play with CJ and Josh Howars more than Harris does. Really the jazz don't have to change much, just the rotation. Go with th starting 5 I stated then play Kanter, Hayward, Milsap, and Watson off the bench. I plugged the numbers, did the math. If they played that rotation they would be 3-1. Pay attention jazz brass. I am trying to help. Do the math yourselves, and you'll see I'm right.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 11:20 a.m.

    How about Merit Pay in each game. You don't hit within 10% of your season average you get docked $10,000. You don't get within 10% your season average of RB, you get docked another $10,000. You loose $2,000 for each point your opponent beats you.

    This will tell us how serious you are about being an overpaid athlete. The effort put forth by these guys is laughable.

  • Mr.Reality Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 11:12 a.m.

    The Jazz franchise has been in a free-fall since Larry Miller died and there are no parachutes in sight......

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    I loved the out come of the game last night, glad i finally got to watch "your utah jazz lose again.. Keep up the good work!

  • Dukester VANCOUVER, WA
    Jan. 1, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    I think I can accept the fact that we have a young team and it will take some time before we become a contender. However, our ownership and especially our coaches could do so much better. Come on Greg and Corbin. Do it right or mover over and let someone else take the lead.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 1, 2012 8:46 a.m.

    A few more comments to add. Did you really believe last night that your team as it is structured today was going to come back on this Spurs team Ty? Without practice time how are you going to develop players like Evans, Burks, Tinsley and Kanter and keep them ready to play physically? Do you see any future from this day forward for Bell, & C.J. here? "Black Hole" Jefferson needs to be put on the trading block along with those two above, your trade exeption, and draft picks to build the solid foundation for the future, can't this management see that? Losses by 1 point are losses, if your going to lose why not develop what you have now for the future instead of using up playing time with players that have proven they no longer fit in our system? Payers trying is one thing, how about some try from management and the coaching staff!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    Most of the posts here are crying for the young players to get playing time and I agree, I think we all need to go to the Jazz web site and write to Greg Miller and tell him we would prefer losing with the youngster getting the playing time, if enough of us do that maybe they'll get the message. I agree Favors can do all Big Al does and more if he just gets the playing time and touches. Bell is a waste, give his time to Burks.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 1, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Disgusting or terrible? Take your pick. 4 games and Bell starts all four even though he produces absolutely nothing. Why? 4 games and Corbin has shown that nothing has changed defensively from the "Sloan" days regarding defense. Wide open lanes to drive in from outside to the basket, no perimeter defense, apparently "STILL" not believing that todays NBA shooters can make 3 pointers. C.J(17min), Hayward(31min), Watson(23min),and "black hole" Jefferson all stinking up the joint but Evans, Burks and Tinsley get a combined 7min of playing time. What's that mentality Ty? Same old Jerry Sloanisms? C'mon Ty either coach and quit the favoritisms or or head for the Carolina's where your their hero, because more of your initial approach and mentality will not be needed or appreciated here in the future. I'd like to give you more credit than what you have shown so far, you have played in this league, don't be a follower be a leader. I want Jazz success as much as anyone and think we are positioned for that with this young team!

  • bobby d Beaver, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 8:22 a.m.

    You could see problems coming right from the opening tip. The first 7 or 8 shots were from the outside. If that would have been Sloan on the pine, you can bet there would have been a timeout. I really dont think anyone was expecting a win against the Spurs, but trying woould help out. 4 games into the season and already we see the same CJ as last year. He has 1 good game out of every 5. Belll needs to stay home. Pound the ball inside until they start collapsing then start going outside. It is much easier to hit a 5' than it is a 18'. Ty needs to quit being these guys friend and be a coach.

  • EdCullen Orem, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 8:00 a.m.

    Wow guys, be patient. If you didn't know this was going to be a big rebuilding year, than you are an ill-informed fan. It will take time to put things together, we are only 4 games into the season. I didn't expect a playoff team this year and you shouldn't either. Growing pains should be expected, especially on a squad with so much change and a very short training camp. Call me back after 30 games. Don't expect our team to be competing on the road against great teams like the Spurs yet.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    I agree with most of the assessments. Bell should become a coach, he can't play at the NBA level any longer. Hayward and Burke should split minutes at the two, Hayward is not a three, and KOC needs to find a legitimate three with the trade excpetion sometime down the road.

    At the rate we're going now, look at the bright spot, we'll get another lotto pick in the draft, then they can also sit the bench next year while Bell, Miles, Harris and others whose time has passed continue to get the minutes.

  • Fan WVC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 6:56 a.m.

    Low post to AJ and watch everyone stand around. In my mind the problem is Jefferson.We can't run with him on the floor. No cuts or screens. Everyone is waiting to see what he will do.Get rid of AJ and Harris will be All Star..

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    Jan. 1, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    Shooting was the difference in this game. Manu was brilliant, the rest of the Spurs shooting pretty good, and the Jazz's jump shooting was awful. This was a game where the Jazz needed to use more players because it was a back-to-back night with a late flight into San Antonio, but it's tough to use inexperienced players against an experienced team and not fall further behind. The next five games should be interesting...should get two or three wins, I would guess.

  • scodyshootfight KC, MO
    Jan. 1, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Dear Ty Corbin,

    You will eventually come to your senses and take my advice, but I predict that you won't come to my realization until you've suffered the pain of many more losses and wasted a large portion of the season.

    YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS. The young guys actually give fans a reason to watch even though we know we aren't going to win as many games this year. Teams like this can be fun to watch, even when the wins aren't there. Remember 2004-2005 when the roster was AK47, Harpring, and a pack of cigarettes? The season was so entertaining even though we went .500

    Not only will the fans have more reason to fill the seats and watch the games, but you will actually have a better chance to win because THE YOUNG GUYS ON THIS TEAM ARE MUCH BETTER THAN THE VETS!!! I agree with all the Burks comments. He has 19 points this year in like 12 minutes of playing time. Favors would do everything Jefferson does if he had the touches, plus he takes up space and can play D. Kanter is NOT a bust. Dude is a beast on the boards, doesn't chicken out against other bigs, and has some sweet post moves.

    So go ahead, don't listen to me. Keep riding the Jefferson, CJ, and Raja train and keep watching the L's come and the fans lose interest. But you will eventually come to your senses and play the young guys. I just hope it won't be too late.

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    Jan. 1, 2012 4:41 a.m.

    bench bell & play the younger guys, it will be better for our future

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 12:55 a.m.

    Go young. Please.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz Provo, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 12:51 a.m.

    What does Burks have to do to get playing time and how bad does Raja have to be to lose his minutes? Corbin please go with the youth movement! Also please don't play Favors with Jefferson. Actually don't play anyone with Jefferson. They all just stand around and watch when he gets the ball because they know he isn't going to pass it. Even when he has a good night no one else can get into the flow of the game because they all become so passive!

  • MR Draper, UT
    Dec. 31, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    Boooo. Hisssss

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    Dec. 31, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    Look at the 3 point shooting:
    Jazz: 2-16
    Spurs: 10-16

    The Jazz killed the Spurs on turnovers and blocks, but it's hard to make up a 24 point difference in 3 point shooting on the same number of shots.

  • Silly Rabbit Small Town, USA, UT
    Dec. 31, 2011 10:36 p.m.

    Well, here we go again. No off ball screens, no cutting to the hoop looking for the ball, really no offense. So lets go down the court pass the ball in the post and stand around hoping magically the ball will somehow go in the hoop without anyone looking to slash through the paint looking for the ball. Yea Ill give the Spurosaurs credit when a team shoots the 3 ball as well as they did its hard to win, but come on Jazz and coaches lets just play good b-ball.

    Last year the Jazz ran spot which got the O moving without the ball, where is it did Coach leave out that proven offense, Ive only seen 2 games but havent seen it or much of a set offense so far. I havent gave up on the team and I never will, but come on coach you have to do something, yea they are a young team but most have played D-1 ball or pro-ball they should know how to play the game.. let them play coach.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 31, 2011 9:48 p.m.

    Further, CJ Miles plays zero Defense. If the Jazz are not going to man up then play a trap, mix defenses. Corbin refused to give time to Burks and Evans again, I did not expect to win vs a Seasoned Spurs Team. What I have a problem with is effort. I have a problem with coaching. I have a problem why Raja Bell continues to get time that in blowouts could be used to feature Burks. Evans is getting little chance. AJ was lazy. He had 4 rebounds in the First Half...The fact is let me explain difference in Coaching and getting attention. When the Jazz made a mini-run in the 2nd Quarter to close a large Spur lead to 45-35 3:51 was left in the Half. Popovich called "time". He went off on his players...Of course I knew they would adjust. Over the last 3:51 of the First Half, San Antonio scored 9 and held UTAH to a "mere" 4 Points. When the lead got even down to 16 in one more min run in the 4th, starters..

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Dec. 31, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    All the hard work of last night and progress we thought was made has now become "irrelevant". From the very beginning, I did not think Ty was the right Coach for this team. Nothing has changed my mind. If the Jazz were not going to show up, they could have saved the air fare and transportation and lodging expenses to go on a 3 Hour flight. They got in Local time about 230 am. They played like sleepwalking. There must be more than coincidence why Raja Bell continues to get time for going 0-3, not guarding Ginobli and just take 2 charges to say he did something. I do not know what was wrong with Gordon tonight. Jefferson scored 21 but may have been responsible for 21 of his own. The fact is, they allowed a 6-6 Blair with 3 pairs of Shoes to get to 6-6 dominate our frontline. They refused AGAIN to guard the 3. Ginobli was open all night..SO was Bonner and Jefferson and not one adjustment made.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Dec. 31, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    After burkes was about the only bright spot in the loss to Chicago, he was rewarded with the next 2 games on the pine, where was he and evans before the last 2 minutes of garbage time. It would be different if Raja and CJ were producing. Howard is not the answer at the 3, he has lost his touch from outside and shoots to much.

    Tonight's starting line up was pretty close to what took them to one of the poorest records in the 2nd half of last season.