FLDS meet, prepare but for what?

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  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Jan. 5, 2012 3:01 a.m.

    I agree with John Pack. This is propaganda disguised as a news article. It would be nice for the Deseret News to bring some balance to this issue. Building a baptismal font, if that is even what they are doing, is not criminal. Also, Sam Brower has a big conflict of interest here, as he is literally paid to be an enemy of the FLDS.

    The FLDS are Mormons, just as the LDS are Mormons. Articles on them should be written with balance, not bias.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 30, 2011 11:54 p.m.

    What exactly has Jeffs asked that might put children in danger? rebaptism? moving to a new state? Neither of these are crimes.

    Jeffs can write letters or make phone calls to his brother and order that everyone stops eating spinach.

    People seem to be too quick to give the government power to regulate everything. Jeffs predictions about the end of the world may reasonably be held to not be going to happen, but they are not criminal. His predictions in no way indicate that he is about to attack others. To compare Jeffs with those who were guilty of muder is just illogical.

    People have the right to live their lives how they chose. Some things are crimes, such as having sex with 12-year-olds. Jeffs is rightly in jail for that. However to extrapolate from that that any parent who believes he is a religious leader should loose their children is just unjustified.

    The government already can take children too easily. Foster care is not the wonderful happy place some people think it is. Uprooting children from their homes is disruptive and should only be done when dealing with real threats.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 30, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    I guess FLDS teenagers throwing stones at this guy might be almost newsworthy. However it is community directed anger against the poster of tax notices. It is only vaguely related to Jeffs, and is more related to the question of whether taking the UEP because of alleged mismanagement ever made any sense.

    I am not convinced it did. Part of the complaint seemed to be Jeffs was using it to give himself good things and the other donors very little. However why this was a violation of law allowing state intervention is unclear.

    Just because people break some laws does not mean they loose all rights. There is also the fact that you must have evidence and a trial to convict people. You can not deny the FLDS the right to manage their own money on the presumption that they are braking laws agaisnt having multiple wives.

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Dec. 30, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    The article seems to be trying to make a big deal out of nothing. People thinking the world will end in a few days is no crime. People altering the interior of their church building is no crime, and hardly worth mentioning.

    Church leaders have the right to conduct intensive interviews. If there were claims people tried to leave because they disliked them and were physically detained there might be some grounds to complain, but there is nothing here.

    Jeffs may have broken the prison rules on outside communication. That is really the only story here. The FLDS may be about to mass emigrate out of Utah and Arizona (which on the whole would be a good thing im my view) but it seems that is a rumor hardly worth printing.

    The article has a needlessly conspiratorial tone. The whole "unusual" constuction line is just one example. People are doing more constuction now than in the past, the "unusual" just seems to be there to say to us "these people are strange". This is not a news peace, it is anti-FLDS propaganda.

  • My $0.02 Roy, UT
    Dec. 29, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Not that I am one of "Them", but, what if??? They all said the same thing about Joseph Smith Jr in the beginning, didn't they? It is up to those to choose, and to be misled. If Thomas Monson said certain "Things", what would others say or think? I know where I stand, and I don't care what the "World" thinks, I know the "Pecking order" the Lord has laid out, and that is the order I FOLLOW, no matter what!

  • county mom Monroe, UT
    Dec. 28, 2011 11:23 p.m.

    Honestly the end of their way of life is truly coming. To many false prophets and very little choice for the female part of their population. When men have unrighteous dominion over the lives of others they fail, wether it is kingdoms or religions, People want freedom to choose.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 28, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    "These people honestly believe that the end is here and that everybody's going to be destroyed within the next few days"

    That's the problem we have with people who claim to "know" the truth. Charlatans like Jeffs exploit people's fear of the unknown with claims of exclusive knowledge of "God" in an effort to secure a power base for themselves.

    It's always wise to treat all claims of absolute truth with a healthy dose of suspicion, especially in absence of evidence, and more so when the claimant declares that such knowledge has been gained through supernatural means...it's a good reason to beware.

  • MoJules Florissant, MO
    Dec. 28, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    I would assume that all communication with Warren Jeff's is recorded and also video taped. They need to review this, cause if he is telling his brother to do something that would put the children in danger, they need to get those children out of the community. Also, if this group were to do a mass suicide, which I don't think that is the direction they are going, I would think that Jeff's would be an accessory to murder.

    So the scriptures tell us to "beware of false prophets", to put the community of your people, or the people in the communities nearby in danger is a good reason to beware.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 28, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    Just a thought: It might be time for Texas to take away Warren's phone privileges. Who knows what he's going to ask them to do next?

  • kemitc Nashville, TN
    Dec. 28, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Rembering in my teens the actions of Rev Jim Jones comes to mind, social services needs to be looking in on the children involved, because it sounds like it's about time to drink the kool aide all over again. Now is the time to pray for these lost sheep in their darkest time.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    Dec. 28, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Hopefully when planet Earth proves to perfectly fine in 2013 these folks will stop this nonsense and dump the associated Jeffs as leaders.

  • Spot Light Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 28, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    Seems strangely like the Ervil LeBaron deal. Ervil communicated from prison in Utah causing havoc in Texas. Now it works the other way around.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Dec. 28, 2011 5:45 a.m.

    Sad that people can still drink the kool aid from this guy Warren!!

  • CARL South Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 28, 2011 1:12 a.m.

    Sounded like if Warren Jeff is doing something like Reverend Jones did on his parishioners or Reverand Camping's end of the world stance. Nothing is new here but they could be under a spell.