Utah Democrats, Republicans spar over public education funding

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  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 1:41 a.m.


    I tend to be a supportive of public education but I'm not our schools and teachers are so skilled to indoctrinate. Most teachers in Utah are actually politically conservative, as you I may suspect. Many say in high school are teaching 40 plus students in their classes so I imagine many are just wishing to survive the day unscathed with their sanity in tact, all to do it the next day. So more or more or less, let's all take a chill pill on the "indoctrination" thing.

    As far as fraudulent goes, maybe the support Utah in general in funding and respect for teachers might be the fraudulent part, not sure...

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 16, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    Orem Parent,

    You're right! Look at the success of Thomas Edison, Samuel Clemons, The Wright Brothers, Alexander Graham Bell, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Walt Whitman, Eli Whitney, Samuel Morse, Henry Ford, Albert Einstein, etc.

    They all went to well funded schools with technology.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 16, 2011 12:05 p.m.


    Not really interested in other states especially since you spoke of the "will of the people of Utah". I assume you are saying it is ok for republicans to gerrymander in Utah because some democrats in some other state did the same thing? I thought republicans had more integrity than that, at least that is what they are always saying. My Mom always taught me that "two wrongs don't make a right". Apparently my Mom was wrong?

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    Dec. 16, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Worf it isn't that simple at all. Nothing you suggested would even make a small dent in funding except to limit technology to the library which is absolutely absurd. I want my kids using technology at every turn just like they will do in their jobs.

    It just isn't that simple.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 15, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    Some ways to increase funding without increasing taxes or lowering wages:

    * Eliminate standardized testing.
    * Have parents pay fifty dollars tuition per child per year.
    * Eliminate all summer programs. Allow parents some time with their children.
    * Limit technology to library usage.
    * Change free lunches, to quarter lunches.
    * Each child pays a nickle or dime to ride the bus.
    * One well planned school fund raiser per year. Christmas dinner with entertainment? etc

    It's just that simple.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Re: Fred44 | 12:31 p.m. Dec. 15, 2011
    "Don't forget to add how important it is to gerrymander districts so that republicans can continue to have a super majority"

    Rumor has it that gerrymandering occurred in one or possibly even two Democratically controlled states. Are you suggesting a double standard?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Dec. 15, 2011 1:39 p.m.


    Really??? Do you really think the public schools are "government indoctrination camps"? There is very little taught in the schools that cannot be balanced with reasonable discourse in the home. And frankly, most of these are in areas of opinion, not fact and science. And calling public education fraudulent??? This is an outlandish claim that hardly deserves comment.

    I might also ask, what is the alternative to a systematic, government funded education system? Most young families cannot afford the cost of educating themselves and their children in any way that is practical without subsidies from their fellow citizens, including the older generation who has largely reaped the benefits of living in this wonderful free-market economy for most of their lives - and are in a position to give back. Most parents, in my experience, are simply not sufficiently broadly educated, particularly beyond elementary school levels, to adequately educate their children at home or privately.

    Rather than throw ridiculous accusations around, we should take our so-so public system, and make it better by focusing on things that matter most - reading, writing, math, science, etc. Nothing is a better investment than preparing the next generation to be productive citizens.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Dec. 15, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Utah Republicans and Demoncrats alike need to get serious about education. We live in a knowledge based economy, folks. Future generations will not be able to support an advanced world standard of living on second rate educations. The economy doesn't need gobs of real estate speculators, small-time developers, multi-level marketers, or mortgage originators. What we need is a workforce that is educated in math, the sciences, engineering, medicine, statistics, etc. These subjects are now critical for fields such as communications, marketing and finance.

    We should be paying good math and science teachers MORE than the administrators. Our teachers in these co subjects are generally young, inexperienced, and the good ones tend to leave the classroom so they can make more money to support their families. FAR TOO MANY end up in less important and less beneficial administrative roles. It's time Utah became a LEADER in math and science, and not a mediocre to slightly-below-average state in these core 21st century subjects. With focus, and a few more resources, we can make it happen. Our local economy - and our children and grandchildren will be better off if we do.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2011 12:31 p.m.


    Don't forget to add how important it is to gerrymander districts so that republicans can continue to have a super majority. Its to bad they can't create districts geographically like they should and let the results be what they are instead of counting the number of republicans votes and democratic votes so they can spread the democrats out so they can keep their super-majority.

    Voting demographics are changing, and the republican dismissal of a Mormon candidate for president because he is Mormon will only move more voters away from the republican party in Utah.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2011 4:41 a.m.

    It is time to take the bureaucracy out of education and put it back in the hands of the people. It is so wasteful and ideological to plan and spend funds on education to the lives of families and their social status.

    Education is a privilege funded and controlled by taxpayers and reasonable funding. Education is not a government mandate or agency, eduction is an independent and free will system of learning. Schools and education have been turned in to indoctrination of children camps for government, even down to the food they eat and the parents they can have. Government has taken over to approve and control everything education does and this is not a free system of learning, it is propaganda and brainwashing.

    It is absolutely stupid to put more money in an already fraudulent education system. Education is not immune to cuts and funding in a recession and depression. Expanding government to brainwash and feed propaganda to our children is criminal and its time to segregate education and government as it was intended to be.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    The will of the people in the State of Utah is manifested in a majority of our elected representatives being Republican. When the Democrats start representing the opinions of the majority of Utahns then more of them will get elected. Its kinda like in Chicago ..... only reversed.