New Herbert budget funds schools, pay raises, other needs without tax increase or Rainy Day funds

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  • Oldcoach Hurricane, 00
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    As soon as Howard the Stephenson gets hold of this budget, it will go to fund more private and charter schools. His goal is to "starve the beast" (in the parlance of Colorado City folks) and privatize all education in Utah. That way he and his cronies can make millions not educating Utah students. How is it that the biggest foe of public education is put in as chairman of the Standing Education Committee? Can I get an amen for the "fox guarding the hen house"?

  • ksampow Farr West, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    @Utah Teacher; It's hard to get excited about the Governor Herbert's proposal. We all know that is just a starting point. As past years have shown, the legislature will come back with a fraction of that. If he really wanted to improve teacher salaries, the governor would not have suggested a paltry 1% increase.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    Re: realsoothsayer | 10:33 p.m. Dec. 12, 2011
    "Herbert knows the essentials of staying in office"

    The Democrats had their chance to vote him out of office when they chose their candidate, Peter Corroon. Peter lost that election 31.8% to 64.2%. Perhaps Peter should have asked Obama to come to Utah and campaign for him.

  • MyChildrensKeeper Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    I think its time that education start taking a back seat in spending priorities of state budgets, or at least run and audit and prove to us that education is underfunded or if earmarks funneled through the education systems is justified.

    The governor has a monstrous chance right now to put Utah on top of the nation and in a full recovery economic mode by stop this spendthrift expansion of more government. In stead of expansion, cut taxes on, fees, sales and income would benefit the 2.5 million tax paying souls in Utah greatly promoting economic growth from the workers as well. Economic growth from cheap welfare jobs taxed to poverty is killing this country's economy. If what the governor says is true and not analytical projections then he has an opportunity any other state can only dream about. I don't think it is wise either to consider federal grants as permanent budget revenue to spend on permanent cost as this is misleading and dangerous conceptions.

  • realsoothsayer SANDY, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    What are politicians really good at? Using taxpayer dollars to buy votes. No news here. Herbert knows the essentials of staying in office, since most people don't really follow the very crucial issues. But it's always a good ploy to promote motherhood, apple pie, and public education.

  • formersaltlaker Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Stephenson started licking his lips last summer when he saw what was being done in Ogden. He won't rest until public education is dismantled. Wonder what will happen then to all the kids who can't cut it? Move them around from one charter school to the next?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Governor Herbert deserves a polite "golf clap" for his budget efforts.

    Not raising taxes is definitely good, but it is the minimum that should be expected of any Governor in any year.

    A better budget, and one that the Legislature seems more inclined to adopt, is to not raise taxes, but instead of spending the "extra" money right away on raises and buildings, to pay off some of our debts and replenish the "Rainy Day Fund.". I like that much better.

    However the best budget would be to continue to cut state spending, not hold the line or increase it. And, pay down our debts. And, absolutely reject even the discussion of tax increases, and instead get busy cutting taxes so money can be left in the hands of the Utah men and women who worked hard and earned it.

    I hope that the high school student who has "never seen millions or billions of dollars" has been taught that he will never see that kind of money unless he really works hard, gets a good education, and takes entrepreneurial risks. It will not be given to him after being forcibly confiscated from other hard working people, but the opportunity is there for anyone to get rich.

    (Or, if he is really good at sports then he might earn that kind of money.. a pretty sad commentary on American priorities.)

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    @ Carman,

    "On top failing to pay specialized teachers sufficient to keep them in the classroom (most jump to administrative roles to make more money."

    The extra money is great, but the biggest reason is getting away from students they can't control. It's true.

    As for funding:

    Classroom, teachers, and books. Simple, efficient, and cost effective.

    Get rid of standardized tests and everything related to it, and watch education flourish. These tests are like speed bumps on a freeway.

    Keep it simple.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    @Governor Herbert

    Absolutely nothing to criticize about your budget. Well done.


    You can't hide things at a Charter School since it is public and files reports to the state.

    I agree, Howard has shown consistency in his capacity to make a buck off of education. His next step could be selling the state the red herring of computer adaptive testing, something that will waste so much money and educational time. Since the feds finally relented giving the state permission for this ill-conceived idea after years of saying no, it will probably soak up most of the additional dollars that will be given to education this year when it inevitably expands.


    Utah has been treading water on math proficiency for decades. We aren't getting worse and we aren't improving. Throwing money at teachers won't solve the problem. Charter schools and some district schools work on this by putting the student in the correct math class based on ability AND performance. All this shoving kids forward to a new level when they never mastered the current one does everyone a disservice. The child and parents are just as important as the teacher in this equation.

  • Utah Teacher Orem, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Thanks Governor Herbert for thinking of us teachers. I know it has been a rough few years for everybody, teachers included.

    A small raise is a nice gesture for all of the teachers that have been giving their best to our kids.

  • Yak_Herder Lehi, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    @ TRUTH,
    Wait a second, do you think "serious anti-illegal immigration rules" can be enforced for free? There's not a surplus in your plan.

    I agree, math scores are not good enough in Utah high schools, but the problem carries over from the junior high schools. We need to address it in both areas.

    I totally agree. Howard's track record is crystal clear. There is no reason to assume that he wuill be changing his stripes anytime soon. For Howard, no tax seems low enough; even when funding falls below a workable level. Then, he has the audacity to suggest that the system is failing. Great strategy: starve it and then blame it.

    Three cheers for the Governor. Strong, vocal, and persistent support from the masses for reasonable plans like this one are the antidote for the pushback that is sure to be just around the corner.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Amnesty Herbert just doesn't get it......his amnesty leges cuts into the education budget he so proudly credits.......adopt serious anti-illegal immigration rules and laws and watch the state declare a surplus!

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Utah is falling behind in Math and Science, particularly at the high school level. On top failing to pay specialized teachers sufficient to keep them in the classroom (most jump to administrative roles to make more money - to support their families), Utah has chosen to go it alone in math by using the international version of the common core.

    Once again, Utah's legislature has failed to consider practical application when considering ideology based legislation. Problems with the International Common Core incclude: 1) A lack of books and curriculum (which will mean hugely varied standards in classrooms across the state. It will take a SUPER -teacher to get this right. Most won't) 2) Higher cost materials because of a lack of scale. 3) We are going it alone as NO other state has chosen the same implementation. This means problems for students coming to Utah or leaving Utah midstream - this happens A LOT! 4) Confused out-of-state college admitions boards - Utah students will be at a disadvantage because of a lack of comparability.

    Utah needs to rethink this before we lose 2-3 years of students in what will certainly be a mess.

    Dec. 12, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    It won't matter what the Governor proposes, Howard Stephenson and his cronies will continue to gut education until there is nothing left, his goal is the ultimate failure of public education. It is difficult to get kick backs if it is public ed, but private and charter schools make the money trail fuzzy. Get ready for his new assault.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    It's a great plan. But there are many many steps between planning and implementation. Here's hoping the state legislature can make this work.