Gov. Gary Herbert pushes to keep Utah off 'federal crack'

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 12, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    Talk is cheap..... start by turning down federal dollar today... not. For schools. For Highways. For Medicaid.... defense funds.... do it.

    I'll be waiting......

    not holding my breath.

    Talk is real cheap.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Herbert has held the governnor's position well since Huntsman left. He has done relatively little harm to the state. Now lets find a real leader. I like Lt. Gov Bell but would he run against Herbert?

    There will be others to choose from. I am waiting anxiously to see the field.

    I voted for Matheson in the last Gubernatorial election and would vote for him again, or his brother who is currently in Congress. I would vote Republican too if the legislature wasn't dominated by Republicans to the degree they are. Though this state is well managed, I don't believe it is because of Republican domination, but in spite of it.

    Remember that legislative Republicans have tried to force vouchers, have dodged ethical oversight, and runs roughshod over regular citizens. I feel it is time to bring balance to Utah governing.

    There are plenty of good Democrats.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    So when they recommend closing Hill AFB, Herbert won't protest? Good to know.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    Utah doesn't get as many federal dollars because it votes Republicans. The Governor is using charts and data that shows what he wants to show as data can be manipulated to do that. According to the article, the state is showing the data. The state was quick to take the highway money and that is good because most of the roadwork is on I-15 and I-80 and connectors. We pay taxes for Interstate roads to be maintained and we're good at that. However, the Utah county stretch is where the Governor maneuvered dollars and got some benefit for his coffers and election. He also got some donations from the Alton Coal Company and got their permit approved quickly. Utah County will benefit from that money and at $1.2 billion that is quite a bit plus the states portion. The Governor wants to be re-elected for a real term. There was a good article on Integrity in today's DN edition that political people should read. Honesty is the best policy in this world and the one that will be coming where there are judgements on truly honest.

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    Near the end of the article is the following words attributed to our Governor.

    "Because states are typically much smaller, they are often able to operate in a more streamline fashion, Herbert said."

    "streamline fashion" is another way to say efficient and intelligent. That could be an argument for getting Federal dollars out to the states and out of the hands of Federal government bureaucrats.

    Senator Harry Reid is portrayed as a very reckless spender of Federal tax money. Yet his state, Nevada, has the best position on this crack graph. Interesting contradiction. I wonder how Governor Herbert's public relations man would spin that.

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Lets show the feds we do not need their money. Lets refund all of the federal funds that helped build massive water projects in utah. And don't forget all of the higheay funds that build roadways in utah. And federal money to help utah get foreign business to come to Utah. Indeed lets kick the feds out. Whoi needs all of the federal jobs and the money that helps our economy. Perhaps we can revisit our decision of january 4th 1896 to accepot statehood.

  • The_Kaiser Holladay, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    Thanks Governor Herbert.

    We speak so much of self-reliance, but are willing to play the part of "welfare case" when it comes to needs we have as a state.

    There's always something to be said about self-reliance.

    Sure, we may not be like the kid that drives the BMW to high school because his parents gave him a "stimulus", but we know as we drive our car of what we earned and not what we were given.

    On the other hand, if we could get the government out of our pockets and stop taking money to give to other states, then it would be complete. But alas, as long as the government takes, we need to receive.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Utah's governor has it right stay away from government crack. The strings attached can make the federal payments more expensive than refusing.Gov Herbert realizes the biggest employer Hill Air Force base brings in big bucks for the states economy. Crack states like California, Oregon, Washington where liberal governors greedily scamper for federal dollars are experiencing a worse recession than Utah.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Dec. 10, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    A few month back wasn't the governor one of the most vocal critics of the military's plans to increase efficiency, and cut spending at Hill Airforce base? I guess "crack" turns into "good medicine" when it is coming to your home state.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    It is silly to compare Utah to Virginia and Maryland. For the geographically challenged, Virginia and Maryland sit next to Washington, DC. A vast majority of people who work for the federal government, both as employees and contractors live guess where? Of course they will have a higher percentage of their economy dependent on government expenditures. Where do compare say to Kansas, Idaho, or Mississipi?

  • William Gronberg Payson, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    The Governor's crack comments are dubious at best. Governor Herbert would be the biggest pusher in Utah if this fictional event were actually proposed.

    If the Federal government tomorrow decided to physically relocate from Washington DC, Governor Herbert would be the leading advocate for Utah. He and the Republican legislature would do their very best to attract a government relocation to Utah. Then those federal dollars would not be called crack, it would be jobs and smart business.

    P.S. Governments do really move in our time. Germany from Bonn to Berlin. Burma, Brazil and Australia to the hinterlands.

  • formerUT Osawatomie, KS
    Dec. 10, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    All I can say is "whatever"! It's like the repetitive attempt the "way too conservatives" in UT try every couple years to not receive federal education dollars. Ya--then I believe the state budget people show them the "reality" and they go "Oh"! You mean there would be no way the state of UT could afford to educate the thousands of children it produces without using federal funds? DUH!

    To all those commentors claiming that not being tied to "federal strings" is a good thing: if states did not discriminate against minorities, actually took care of their own poor, and paid attention to the needs of those with the most needs WITHOUT being legally forced to do so by the federal government, there would be no "federal" strings. Unfortunately, including in UT (the state that demands that people with disabilities waste huge amounts of money in nursing homes first, BEFORE being allowed to use less state monies for care outside of nursing homes--the state where state legislature members voted to build their parking garage over providing dental care for those who are poor and disabled) state governments don't do this without being FORCED to do so!!!

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Why is it a good thing for us to get less federal dollars than other states but still be taxed at the same rates as those in other states?

  • Instereo Eureka, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    This is nothing but Tea Party spin doctoring. Sure we have one of the least amounts per person spending of Federal dollars but we spend more Federal dollars then we put in as a state. The reason, we have larger families. I know here in Utah we value our families but another way of looking at these numbers could show that we put an unfair burden on them because we have the lowest spending per person in education and any number of other social programs that are designed to help families. Maybe instead of spinning numbers to get political gain we need to look at some of the problems we have in our state and try and solve them with whatever means we have at our disposal and then brag about our results.

  • Thunder Provo, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    RE: Mr. Beal - I think it is acceptable to utilize federal funds to maintain and improve I-15, particularly when the highways that go through our state provide vital links for shipping across this country.

    RE: XelaDave, EJM, Abe Sarvis, and liberal larry - Even if we are a "welfare" state in that we receive more than we contribute, I interpret this data to mean that we still utilize less per capita with the dollars we do receive than other states, "welfare" or not. No guarantees, but perhaps if the federal government didn't own and restrict so much of the land within our state we would have more people to contribute to the federal government coffers to better balance what we use.

    RE: Florien Wineriter and JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt - I don't believe that federal dollars paying federal employees for federal facilities located within Utah should matter to this conversation. I would hope the governor and other leaders in this state would lobby any large employer to stay in Utah and continue to provide jobs, whether the Federal government or some other business.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    Funny Howard that you are the only one who picked up on this. Is spending on infrastructure considered crack? Will Utah Republicans, in the next breath, start railing on the Federal Crack pusher, Harry Reid of Nevada? Using the same criteria Senator Reid has more to brag about than Governor Herbert. Is spinning to deceive considered being honest with your fellow man?

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    The governor's chart is very misleading, it shows federal funds received per capita, but a more accurate measure is "federal dollars received for every dollar paid in." Because Utah doesn't pay much into the federal government, it doesn't get back much relative to other states. A 2005 Tax Foundation study shows that Utah gets $1.07 back for every dollar it pays in, which ranks 29th among the states. (New Mexico ranks first at $2.03 per dollar paid in) So before the gov gets too self congratulatory maybe he should take a look at this data.

    And despite all the anti big government hot air coming from "red states" some of them are the biggest beneficiaries of federal funds.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    So is all of that construction in Utah County being paid for by the state or are we using some of that federal "crack"?

  • hood CC, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    Maybe some money to pay your public employees would be nice. Many of the public employees in this states have the lowest wages in the area. If we want to attract the best and keep the ones we already have we need to have an incentive. Lawmakers say we don't get enough money to have higher wages because there is so much federal land in our state that doesn't generate state income. Then they turn down the federal money that could go to help make the wages more competitive with other states. Another area that money coulkd go towards in the perpetual building and rebuilding of I-15 between Payson and Salt Lake City. I have lived in Utah for 22 years and have only seen I-15 construction free during the Olympics. I wonder who owns these construction companies and how many campaign contributions they make. I think it is great that we don't get an excessive amount of help, but some might be nice.

  • trapdinutah South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    When I'm home in the middle of the day because I'm sick or something, and I watch TV (which I normally don't do), I get sick and tired of all the adds for lawyers who offer to help people "get the money they're entitled to..." I figured out that they run those adds in the middle of the day because that's when they can reach a higher percentage of lazy bums since the people who pay for the entitlement are all off working. As a nation, we all think we are entitled to everything, including "free money" from the feds. Just like there are some who think we should get all we can, there are others out there who would like to tell the feds to keep all their money, including many in our legislature and representing us in Congress. The Governor appears to be attempting to strike a balance between these two unrealistic opposing forces, and I applaud him.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    "DN Subscriber | 10:50 p.m. Dec. 9, 2011
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    BRAVO! to Gov. Herbert and all the Legislators who help bring this about and keep us from the addictive lure of all that "free money" with numerous strings attached."

    Yeah because we should give away 13 million in Utah taxpayer money from Utahns.

    BTW, before you get all Bravo mr. governor, these are the same hypocrites who took and USED Federal stimulus dollars. These are the same hypocrites fighting for excess defense spending to keep jobs at Hill Air Force Base. You are fooled easily by a sound bite.

  • Abe Sarvis Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 7:18 a.m.

    Utah still receives $1.07 from the federal government for every dollar in federal tax collected here, so it's not exactly "off" federal aid.

    And as long as Gary's addicted to the personal crack of corporate campaign donations and kickbacks, this sort of posturing isn't really meaningful, anyway.

  • Florien Wineriter Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 6:40 a.m.

    Does the governors figures include salaries of employees at Hill Airforce Base, Dugway, and other federal government employees in Utah?

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 5:58 a.m.

    I am always amazed when our leaders brag about not being on the federal crack, as they call it, when we still receive more in federal money than what we contribute tax-wise. We ARE on the federal dole for as long as we continue to do this. So when our leaders brag about how we stand up against the Feds or how we aren't on the crack I just cringe. Why? Because the majority are on the koolaid and refuse to acknowledge it.

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Dec. 10, 2011 5:27 a.m.

    Another reason why I love Utah.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 4:49 a.m.

    That is one measure of federal dollars but Utah is still a recipient state when it comes to federal dollars- depending on the source we still receive between 1.05 and 1.25 dollars for every dollar sent to the Feds- so while the Gov can hang his hat on one number the reality is still that in the federal redistribution game we are still a welfare state- down considerably over the last few decades as our economy here has matured from extraction and farm bases but the reality is we are still a welfare state when it comes to the Feds

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 4:31 a.m.

    It's a step in the right direction and hopefully he can expand this ideal of self governing state from the federal blackmail terms and conditions attached to all federally funded programs.

    High priority should be with education funds, Medicare and Medicarid funds, and get this state back to a state of self governmenrt for local needs without government interference.

    Most people don't realize or understand that with federal funding their is blackmail to rob states and citizens of its rights and freedoms. It imposes unwanted federally mandated laws on the citizens and state constitutions.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    BRAVO! to Gov. Herbert and all the Legislators who help bring this about and keep us from the addictive lure of all that "free money" with numerous strings attached.

    I am sure some liberals will rant about "we are letting other states take "our share" of all that federal money" but that is sort of like complaining that we are not yet addicted enough to illegal drugs.

    We need to get Washington to be tighter with "our money" than even our own Legislature and Governor are. But, I am not very optimistic that fiscal sanity will return to Washington any time soon.