Jake Heaps transfer puts QB position in flux for 2013

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  • Me, Myself and I Blanding, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    I think Gurney did his homework with this one. Good points brought up about a possible overhaul of the offense. Doman and DuPaix are more than capable of installing the zone read option. The majority of DuPaix's playing and coaching careers have been in option type offenses. At Skyline and SUU he ran the triple option and ran it as well as anyone. He also coached option offense at Cal-Poly where is was the offensive coordinator before moving on to Navy. The athletes are there, the coaches to make it work and teach it are there. If they get Bronco on board for the change they may turn Heaps into an after thought. If they stick to the same I think there will be a lot of what ifs and shoulda, coulda, wouldas going around.

  • pleblian salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    I'm not looking past 2012. Why? We'll improve our running game. Have a seasoned quarterback who, for the first time in 2 years, helped BYU finally could score over 20+ points against a top 40 defense.
    We have many returning starters on a Top 20 Defense (yes, BYU has #17 ranking in total defense.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 2:17 p.m.


    Don't pretend like BYU is now better than Utah because Utah lost to colorado and BYU beat the tar out of the teams on their fluffy schedule. 54-10 wasn't a fluke. The better team won (by a lot) that day, and no matter how good you looked against the likes of Idaho state isn't going to change that. Just own up to it and you might actually feel some gratification if BYU keeps it close next year.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:04 a.m.


    Yes, a smackdown does hurt, BUT there's a huge difference in the severity of smackdowns these days.

    54-10 was a fluke that apparently is not making much difference in the w/l category. Local rivalry thing, big deal. On the national stage, BYU is still there and a possible top 25 ranking is media relevancy.

    17-14 on the other hand took away a (cough, cough) 'well deserved' South Division Championship Title and a bid to the Pac 10.2 championship and the parade in Pasadena.

    U had a chance for the big marble but missed it with the Buffs. I rather doubt U will be in the top 25. That's media irrelevancy.

    Another embarrassing loss with a twist off the cliff... just like last year.

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Dec. 9, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Scary headline -- why would Heaps's departure or remaining have anything to do with the starting QB position? Surely he wasn't considered over the gamers in the pipeline to start again. Puzzling.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 4:47 p.m.


    irrelevance won't happen next year - but it sure got a good head start this year. UCLA football is pretty darn irrelevant now days and it took them several years to get there - a steady and consistent decline. BYU is following the same path as UCLA. Don't get me wrong - I was a season ticket holder for years at the Y and I was hoping like heck they would get into the BIG 12 this year but I know I'm not the only one surprised at the situation they are now in. Independence is a bust for BYU. BYU's biggest rivals in the MWC were Utah and TCU - both now in BCS conferences. BYU was the only one left out. A home TV contract isn't worth much with teams like Idaho and New Mex St. Had BYU scrapped the home TV contract and pushed hard for the BIG 12 they would have been invited according to ESPN. How about playing Texas and Oklahoma in Provo on national TV instead of Idaho State?? How about the chance for a BCS bowl and all the $$ from the BIG 12? BYU is following UCLA to anonymity - sooner than later.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 9, 2011 3:49 p.m.

    None of this matters folks. Next year the chest-thumping will begin again. The U has scoreboard this year, and last year. With a horrible Pac12 South this year, the opportunity has passed U by. When you have to play USC in a game that counts, along with Oregon, or Stanford, I think we all know the future outcome. Best of luck in the moon-bowl.

  • BYU Girl West Valley City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    Is this something WE really need to worry about?

  • Bomar Roberts, ID
    Dec. 9, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    I can't understand why anyone is upset that Heaps has left because it is very apparent that he wasn't good enough to contribute to a successful team. If I were Hill, I would also reconsider and take another look at Boise State. It seems to me the obvious choice for the future is Olsen. I think he is going to get preferred "walk on status". That is sure path to becoming Broncos choice.
    I am getting tired of hearing about all of these "great" players who are not living up to their hype. Just because Bronco calls them great doesn't mean squat. There are a lot of great guys on the team but that does not mean they are great players.

  • Disgruntled Nephi, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Gas pumper, I am anxiously awaiting your posts as Barney Google and Utah by 44. Running short of ideas today?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 9, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Still Blue after all these years:

    "...you must have lost some of your sense on those carriers. BSU was not undefeated (I said the Y needed to win all its games) and was not a conference champion...If Houston had not lost to USM in their final game, they would have gone to a BCS game without being ranked in the top 2...If we are undefeated, I'm confident we'll be ranked in the top 5 or so."

    On the contrary, it appears as though it is YOU who lacks "sense", and you didn't even need to go out to sea. You have some serious reading comprehension issues. That must explain why you don't understand the rules for BCS Bowl qualifications. If you re-read what I wrote, you will find that I never insinuated that BSU went undefeated. Note:

    "BSU finished neither undefeated, nor a conference champion."


    I also explained Houston's situation:

    "...nor a conference champion. The former is not a formal stipulation. The latter is."

    See? If Houston won the CCG, they would have been the conference champion....and thus, would have earned a BCS Bowl. As the highest ranked non-AQ AND a conference champion, they would not have been required to finish in the Top-2.

    The Indy-WACers have no conference, ergo, cannot win their conference, ergo cannot win a BCS Bowl invitation unless they finish in the Top-2. Those are the rules.

    Your 2013 schedule has only 5 teams on it: Texas, Hawai'i, USU, Ga. Tech, and Houston. If you load up the remaining 7 opponents with mid-majorey WAC-lite teams, your SOS will still be weak. Weak SOS = no Top-2 finish. No Top-2 finish = no BCS Bowl for you. End of story.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 11:36 a.m.

    I like having a kid like Taysom Hill waiting in the wings at QB. He'll be just as good of a runner as Riley and a much, MUCH better passer. Maybe he will actually have the smarts to sit in the pocket and throw the ball than to run it 20 times a game (he was recruited to Stanford). Beyond that, this kid is SMART. Any QB with a scholarship to Stanford has things going on straight upstairs. A smart, athletic kid will equal a perfect recipe for success at QB for BYU. This also gives a blue chip like Tanner Mangum a chance to go on a mission.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    Naval Vet, you must have lost some of your sense on those carriers. BSU was not undefeated (I said the Y needed to win all its games) and was not a conference champion. Actually, if TCU had finished in the top 14, they would have had to be chosen over BSU and VA Tech. And I was talking about a BCS bowl, not the national championship game. (may I remind everyone that only one Utah school has ever won a NC in football) If Houston had not lost to USM in their final game, they would have gone to a BCS game without being ranked in the top 2. Further, you refer to SOS and in 2013 - the year the article was about - our SOS will be quite strong. If we are undefeated, I'm confident we'll be ranked in the top 5 or so. Even the sorry Ute team of 2010 that got murdered by TCU and BSU, barely beat SDSU and was darn lucky to beat BYU was in the top 10 prior to the collapse that began with TCU.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Yes it puts the QB situation in flux for BYU. However I think despite the hype and certain talents of Heaps, BYU is better off without him.

    Even though I somewhat root against BYU and bleed red, Heaps would have hurt BYU in the long run.

    Their are some prospects moving forward. Roll with Riley next year and hope he stays healthy.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    The Deuce:
    "Would someone explain why Taysom Hill did not go back to Stanford? This is the most ridiculous decision I can remember. Great football program and even better academic institution. While BYU conitnues to sputter, Stanford will continue to play great football. Not sure why the decision to come to BYU, doesn't make alot of sense."

    Excellent question that I don't know the answer to either. But my speculation based on things I've heard: The guy who recruited him, Harbaugh, is now coaching elsewhere. With the loss of that support, in conjunction to his desire to go to an LDS school, he feels like he has a better shot at BYU.


    "Good bye BYU football! (Till we have a coaching change!)"

    OK. Goodbye. . . .please!

  • runsrealfast POCATELLO, ID
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Most folks who watched Hill in high school here in Poky though he would eventually move to another position. Extreemly athletic kid who doesn't have to play QB. Whatever happens he will be getting playing time somewhere on the field.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    What stings about the loss to Utah is not only that it was 44 points but that since then, Utah has proven to be an inferior football team.

    I am sure that what bothers Utah fans the most is that they laid such a whupping on their rival way too soon in the season, and that since then it has been one embarrassment after another, culminating with a loss to CU. As they say, oh how the mighty have fallen.

    But on the bright side, if BYU can win their bowl game, we MAY end the season in the top 25. That would improve the quality of Utah's greatest victory this year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Still Blue after all these years:

    "...an undefeated BYU team will get a shot at a BCS bowl."

    Boise State just finished 7th in the Final BCS standings, and not only did they NOT get a BCS bowl, they saw at-large teams like Va. Tech and Michigan go instead. And they were ranked #11 and #13 respectively.

    BSU finished neither undefeated, nor a conference champion. The former is not a formal stipulation. The latter is. And undefeated cougar team will not satisfy the latter requirement. Ergo, if a 7th ranked non-AQ can't get a BCS bowl ahead of a 13th-ranked AQ team, why would a Top-10 cougar team get a shot?

    Whether you agree with the BCS' requirements for a bowl bid or not is irrelevant. The rules are the rules. And for a non-AQ with no conference affiliation, you must finish ranked in the Top-2. And you won't. Not with YOUR weak SOS schedule. No BCS for you.

  • Just Another Football Fan LOGAN, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    I am telling you, if the coaches were smart, they'd pull Trevor Brown back from the TE pool and put him where he should be--QB. Too bad politics trump at BYU.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    @ motorbike

    You notice I've not commented on the Utah article this time and am a bit weary of Ute trolls that seem to delight in putting everything BYU down, regardless of how their "Rose Bowl bound" team did. That's all.

    I did think golfrUte's comment was classy and I said so. Your reply to me was unnecessary, too, but if anyone couldn't figure out the difference between my two posts----well, I won't say it......at least this time.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    Goodness, 2013 is a loooong ways off. Let's focus on a bowl game in 3 weeks and the 2012 season. The QB for 2013 will be determine din 2013. The best thing we can do in the meantime is to win games. Winning 11 or 12 games in 2012 (and showing up and beating Utah should be the #1 goal!!!!!) will really help prepare for the 2013 season. Lets focus on today and let tomorrow come when it does.

    and for all the naysayers, an undefeated BYU team will get a shot at a BCS bowl. But - and are you listening Bronco? - the team has to win all its games, which means you have to come prepared for all the games.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Dec. 9, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    The loss to Utah was a long time ago now. It's too bad that the utes have opted to put a new rival in their schedule so that they can lose to the Buffs again next year to close out the season.

    The good news in this article is that Riley Nelson will be the starting QB for BYU the next time they meet the utes. Go Cougs!

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    @ 17-14

    No doubt the loss to CU was brutal, but a 44 point smack down on your home field, to your most hated rival, must really sting.....

  • dhuff POCATELLO, ID
    Dec. 9, 2011 7:51 a.m.

    I had the opportunity to watch Taysom play during his junior and senior seasons. He is an amazing athlete. They played a top high school team from California his senior season and it was obvious he was the best athlete on the field. He was the only reason the game was even close. It will all depend on well he bounces back after being out of commission for two years.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 7:45 a.m.

    So here we are again speculating on the future. No one knows!!! This I do know. There's a Ute article about preparing for the Sun Bowl that has 3 comments. Here's a speculation article that has Ute nation out in droves. Utes, me thinks you protest to much.......Again let me address the obvious...BYU is no longer relivant to your success. So as Ferris Buhler says at the end of his day off....you're still here!! the movies over...go home.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Ahhhh, the two week anniversary of THE best game in 2011 between the Buffs, our favorite underdog, and the Utes.

    Congrats to the Colorado Buffs!

    We were so looking forward to having Oregon beat the living tar out of the Utes last week but why waste good tv time. Buffs did the Utes a favor.

    And here's a BYU backup QB leaving story and the situation for 2013.

    As usual BYU is so irrelevant that it requires every utesie's input.

    It's so little brother of U guys. Thanks for caring!

    Go Yellow Jackets and go BYU basketball.

    Can you utesies say "Uncle"? Can't wait to see Jimmer highlites from last year's game.

  • financenco Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 6:39 a.m.

    I think that QBs in the future will do fine. They won't be short on having them in camp. The key is being smart with them. I think that having the starter play the whole time in blow out games should change, and allow for the 2nds and 3rds to get experience, so that it isn't totally new to them. I think you have to give them things that help them grow, and if they don't play, they don't grow. You also can't accurately assess where they are at, if you are just using practice. There are great practice players who become lousy game players. I don't think you can use option centered offenses, because you need receivers, and if you are going to focus on the option, most receivers will look elsewhere, and the tightends to.

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2011 6:16 a.m.

    So to be clear . . . this kid had a full ride scholarship to Stanford and decides to rescind in favor of BYU? Wow.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Dec. 9, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    Why would a QB want to play at BYU???? You schedule 6 - 8 weak teams and get all fuzzy and warm over 4 big names that basically come into LES and beat you at your own game!!

    I have a feeling we'll be seeing Jake Heaps on the opposite team from time to time and he'll end up showing the Cougars how to play QB with the right coaching!!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 3:58 a.m.

    If Heaps makes it to the NFL, will BYU alum claim him as their own?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    toosmartforyou -

    hilarious that you would call one post classy, right after your previous post that was so NOT classy.
    You're right though, golfrUte's comment really was classy...you could learn from it.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:31 p.m.


    Thanks for a classy comment!!

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    Both the Utes and Cougs had disappointing seasons. Several key injuries on both teams, as well as some bad losses and fortunate wins. Heaps flamed out like many 5 star athletes do. Wynn is very fragile and went down again. BYU has a stable of promising QB prospects, and the Utes have a few on the way, but it's a bit of a crap shoot for both programs. No one can predict with certainty how these "kids" will work out.

    My prediction, both programs will progress quite nicely on their distinctly different paths. Whit and Bronco have stellar records developing players as well as wins on the field. As a Ute fan, I still wish BYU was in our conference. I love rivalries with conference implications. Good luck to both and Go UTES.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    Tooooooo funny, all the Ute trolls bashing teh Cougars again. Typical.

    Tooooooo bad, all the Ute trolls trumpeting the 54-10 "beat down," as that has to be as "irrelevant" a game as Utah played this season and the mighty 14 - 17 LOSS to Colorado has to be the most revevant game the Utes played this year. One was an anamoly and gift (Sept 17th) and the other was a great big embarrassment to the PAC 10.2, the Commissioner, and the Southern Division Champion (UCLA) who lost their last season game 50 - 0 and fired their head coach. The winningest program gets to "sit home" because of NCAA sanctions while the Div Champs lost big to the Ducks and the greased Cinderella team (Utah) lost to the worst D1 program in the country......Now that's "Irrelevance" - Big Time!!

  • selway Paul, Idaho
    Dec. 8, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    Provo4life In 2012 and 2013 you will have Apo and Hoffmen and this will not be the same team they were early this year. I look for them with the return of Van Noy Allisa and company to be able to get over the hump especially next year. We don't know how good Taysom will be but he has alot of upside with many great freshman quarterbacks like Kellen Moore showing anything is possable. I see Hill competing and winning the #2 job next year with no redshirt as he will be 22 in the fall.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 8, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    Embarrassing is losing to Utah 54-10.  Relevant is climbing out of that hole and ending the season ranked in the top 25.  We might just do that.  Again. 

    Irrelevant is having a sham chance at playing for the Rose Bowl, and choking that to end up in obscurity after starting the season with so much promise.  

    Utah, your opponent is among those "others receiving votes".   You are not.  Forgive me for cheering for Georgia Tech, but if they win, then they will be relevant. And we play them next year.    

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 8, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    The Deuce

    I believe there was a coaching change at Stanford.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    Would someone explain why Taysom Hill did not go back to Stanford? This is the most ridiculous decision I can remember. Great football program and even better academic institution. While BYU conitnues to sputter, Stanford will continue to play great football. Not sure why the decision to come to BYU, doesn't make alot of sense.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 8:49 p.m.


    Really? Who is the one who calls the plays, who is the one who evaluates what a kid can or can't do, who is responsible for putting these athletes in a position to succeed, based on their ability and makes adjustments along the way? Who? Oh that is right the coach's.
    Mendenhall record is solid however, lets not break it down and look at it against winning and losing teams that would make way to much sense. Typical BYU fan who is all hyped up over the possibility of another 10 win season... and how many teams have they beat with a winning record this year? Oh hold on tight 1. Sorry to tell you Riley did nothing to impress anyone with football IQ above 30, except most BYU fans who should realize that we could have beat these teams with Matt Reynolds playing QB.

    Not out of my mind, just not buying into what the typical Y fan does. You keep on enjoying below average football and then making excuses along the way every year, like most Y fans.

    Dec. 8, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Jazz: The article was about prospects for 2013. Lark will be a senior in 2012

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 6:21 p.m.

    How odd,

    an article about byu quaterback propects, and Lark was not even mentioned once.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Dec. 8, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    RE: Patriot

    "I am betting BYU is headed for irrelevance very quickly on the national scene that is."

    I hate to be the one to break it to you, but this is what you were saying a year ago when they announced independence. What has happened since? Well, they played a pretty pathetic home schedule, had no quality wins, and are still being talked about by the national media all the time. Some easy recent examples of their relevance include: BYU's backup quarterback announcing a transfer during rivalry week, but the story still rolled out as one of the lead articles on ESPN; most national bowl rankings have the lowly armed forces bowl in the top 15 bowl games; the number of people viewing the Cougs play New Mexico State on ESPN outnumbered those watching the Utes against their mighty Pac 12 foes nearly every week this season; and finally--trolls still outnumber fans on these discussion boards.

    I'd say the cougars are pretty relevant. Go Cougs!

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    Re: patriot "If you like watching Air Force play football you will LOVE the new zone read BYU offense going forward. Typical statistics from the new Doman style QB will be 200 yards rushing and 100 yards passing." Good point! Interesting, isn't it, how it seems just like yesterday at Doman's Press Conf where he was all giddy about bringing back the "glory years" of BYU Offense .... and there was not one mention of accomplishing this 2, 3, 4 years down the road. He's was talking about an immediate infusion. Love my Cougs, but not to hip on our OC. He was a great QB coach, but I actually think the dude's still in over his head.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 8, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    re: bballjunkie
    You continue to say you're done with BYU football, but you continue to read every article and comment multiple times. If you're done, be done.

    It sounds like Taysom Hill and / or Ammon Olsen could be great QBs for BYU, but I think Munns will give them a battle in 2013.

    I expect to see Munns as the starter in 2013, and Hill or Olsen as the starter in 2014

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    If you like watching Air Force play football you will LOVE the new zone read BYU offense going forward. Typical statistics from the new Doman style QB will be 200 yards rushing and 100 yards passing. I am betting BYU is headed for irrelevance very quickly on the national scene that is. But hey, many BYU fans have no idea what's going on out of the field anyway - many do but just as many don't. They come for the tail gate party, the concessions, the band and half time show and just a fun day on a beautiful fall afternoon. Actually all good reasons to take part in BYU football. But for the hard core college football fans who really follow college football , understand it and loved the days when BYU could throw for 350 yards and defeat a Miami or Michigan or Penn State or Oregon..... well those were the good ole days.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.


    Saying that you have won 2 BCS bowls is still FAR less impressive than being able to say you've won a National Championship.


    Now, remind me, which quality opponent did Utah beat this year?

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Re: Elmer Fudd. Keep thumping your chest over the 52-10 score. Yes. You guys beat us. Now get back to something relevant. That game had NO impact on BYU's bowl chances. Whereas, your 17-14 thumping by a very sub-par Colorado ruined any chances Utties were banking on at the beginning of the season. But, I understand El Paso is beautiful in the winter! LOL. But, since you keep throwing out the irrelevant 52-10 score from this year, do you remember the 70-31 spanking we gave you guys in 1989? Detmer dominated Scotty Mitchell that day. What a game!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Little short fast guys that run first and pass second - the future of the QB position at BYU under Doman. So much for Quarter Back U. So much for national passing records. So much for high flying offense. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see BYU start running the Air Force option more going forward. Yes sir, 30 year fans of BYU football are in for a bit of a culture shock with the new Doman style offense. Drop back pocket passers need not apply at BYU anymore. Here is the problem with this new style...

    1. BYU can't recruit speed. Speed at running back will be a premium with this new option type attack.
    2. BYU was able to compete well - over the past 30 years - because they could equalize things a bit with the superior athletes on other teams by throwing the ball. Lavell figured that out a long time ago. BYU developed a precision passing attack with receivers who ran precise routes with average or even below average speed. Big armed QB's stretched the field out and a BIG O-line that specialized in pass protection. NO MORE.

    Yes sir - times are a chang'in.

  • Noblepromise PROVO, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    The BYU quarterbacks will now be the ones that Doman recruits for his offensive schemes instead of Anae's offensive schemes as he is the offensive coordinator. Expect quarterbacks that emulate how Doman played at BYU and not the drop back quarterback in a moving pocket. BYU football schedule (this season and there after) will test Doman's play calls as he can't say he didn't select the quarterback or offensive play calling against the opposing team anymore. BYU quarterbacks of the past that made it into NFL executed what their offensive coordinator gave them and won their respective games. The QB coach trains the QB on how to execute the offensive game plan selected by the Offensive coordinator. Doman has elected to hold both positions, just like Mendenhall is as Head Coach and defensive coordinator. Is Doman like Anae, Chow, Scovil, or other Offensive coordinator greats at BYU (who also coached at NFL level); only time will tell.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    What's it going to take to get Ty and family here? Having a dedicated QB coach would be great.

    Let's get this thing moving for 2012 and have the bugs worked out by 2013.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:42 p.m.

    Lets all do one thing!Forget refering to the bcs as some great accomplishment. Please not any more comments, for against the y or the u, the bcs will be gone in two and then will mean absolutily zero. I have said it and now you can see it coming to past, money for an nc game through a playoff system involving the different regions are conferences.

    Forget the bcs!!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    Wake me up when Doman is gone.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    @ Jarka-rus

    "Well we know the Utesies won't be getting any BCS berths for a very long time if ever again. With Wynnie and well nobody at QB, unless White the 14th can carry the ball 80 times a game and stay healthy. Get used to losing to the Buffs.


    You can spin and deviate the truth as much as you would like. But the truth will always be we thumped you 54-10 on your home field. Other teams, other losses doesn't mean anything in our rivalry, the fact is we beat you by 44 points. It's time to accept the facts in life, digest it, and get used to your older brother rubbing it in for the next 10 months. See you in September for your third straight loss. Don't let the ball hit you in the face mask on the way out.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Gee, maybe Riley can stick around and help the coaches. I see him becoming a graduate assistant since he is Bronco's favorite. He can then inspire all the players to do better because the coaches cannot motivate them...only Riley can do that. Riley can do everything... uh...except pass the football and keep his composure. Oh well, we really like him anyway.

  • Prep Fanatic Los Angeles, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    LaVell Edwards, Norm Chow, Mike Holgrem, and all of the great quarterbacks of old, must really be scratching their heads over this one. BYU used to be a legitimate quarterback factory, producing some of the best quarterbacks in the nation back in the days, and now what? BYU is becoming a read option offense? No wonder Jake Heaps has packed his bags. There currently are only 2 option quarterbacks currently playing in the NFL. That tells you something about option football. Outside of what Time Tebow is doing at Denver, those types of quarterback do not last past their college days. Hence is why Brandon Doman didn't make it in the NFL. Everyone with any smarts has known for a while that Brandon could not coach Jake Heaps. Brandon is an option style quarterback. Jake would have never fit in, even in 2013 with Brandon Doman. That is one of the reasons he struggled this year. No more Robert Anae; insert Brandon Doman. Jake will be good with a team who plays the pro style offense. USC, Washington, California. They all have coaches that know how to get quarterbacks into the NFL. Good luck Jake. I'm a fan!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:07 p.m.

    This article is about BYU, not the utes. Stay on subject and stop touting past ute successes that are irrelevant and will never be repeated in the PAC 12.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    "Heaps was the future at the position, in most peoples minds"

    I don't know why most people thought that. He did horrible against decent teams. I would say it's a positive for BYU to let him leave, give someone with more desire and heart to have a shot instead of a pretty boy.

  • ladiezman2l7 SAN DIEGO, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    I don't see BYU having any problems filling the quarterback position. Tanner Mangum is another "up and comer" that could do some great things, so long as BYU learns how to incorporate these folks in to their system. BYU seemed a little too star struck with Heaps to really help him grow in the star he could be. Then again, a lot of 5 star athletes just don't live up to the hype (i.e. Jimmy Clawson at ND)

  • Ida Preston, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:53 p.m.


    Are you out of your mind??? Do you think it was the coaches fault that somehow steered the ball high and wide, or low and inside with enough velocity to take off a hand, regardless of where the receiver was? Get a grip!

    Mendenhall has done a phenomenal job since he arrived (look at his record). Doman is a newbie that has shown some incredible play calling diversity (something we haven't seen in years) since the Utah game, which was his last one at field level where he could not see what was going on. I say you are out to lunch with your assessment, and not very good as an armchair quarterback!

    No one ruined anyone! Heaps did what he did, and the coaches did what they had to do to win. Heaps may yet be a great one, I hope he is, but it will take performance and teachability to get there. But to blame his coaches for what he didn't get done and someone else did is ludicrous!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    I'm wondering how many quality wins Utah has had since 2009. Not many, that's for sure. They did have 4 quality losses last year, though. And one stinker of a loss. That would be 5 losses to teams that would not want to play BYU in Provo. I'm trying to think of a quality win. Oh, yeah, I guess the BYU game would count. But you insist that BYU is not a quality team. Well then, no quality wins for Utah since 2009.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Re: 54-10 "Try winning some games against quality opponents and not losing 54-10 at home." Oh, I understand. Kind of like those quality opponents your Utes beat, including that very nice 17-14 thumping against a very "strong" Colorado. LOL. Enjoy Christmas in El Paso. We'll enjoy bowl life this year in the Big-D.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see how this develops. We go from rocket arm, cement feet to a bunch of guys who are good quarterbacks and great athletes.

    Regarding a BCS berth, any undefeated season gets that. The 2013 season undefeated would put BYU in NC debate. Going undefeated would require the stars to align and a good dose of luck but no problem with SOS that year or 2012 for that matter.

    On Thanksgiving, I watched BYU's NC game on BYUtv with my boys. I didn't realize BYU had 5 turnovers in that game. Nothing went their way and they still won. The next season they crushed the team that was too scared or too greedy to play them for a shot at the NC(Washington). Here's hoping for another NC!

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    Cougar fan, the question is does it really matter?

    Until this coaching staff is changed and someone can be brought in to develop a QB it won't matter, regardless of what most fans say about Heaps, (he has a ton of talent and will be a great D1 QB) Mendenhall and Doman destroyed this kid and he was the number 1 recruit in the country. So if you can't develop the #1 guy in the country you can't develop anything.

    Tanner think long and hard before coming to the Y.

    Good bye BYU football! (Till we have a coaching change!)

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Thanks Mr. Gurney for allowing us to wander aimlessly for a few minutes with such speculative articles as this.

    Now a comment about the BCS. With the selection of the BCS participants this year there is absolutely no question remaining about the validity of that system; it has no validity, relevance, or integrity in the post-season realm of college football. Common sense is not present in that committee of money grubbers. Having said that I do hope the team I support gets some of that money pot in the near future.

    And how about that beat-down last night of Weber State?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Keep that Cougar PR machine well oiled and running fast and furious. Try winning some games against quality opponents and not losing 54-10 at home.


  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    I'm excited to see how Hill does in Spring camp. He is bigger, faster, and longer thrower than Riley, but a mission may have taken the wind from his sails a little. If he can return to top form, he will be a contender.

    Another thing--He is not afraid of contact. He was a terrific defensive player as well. Also excellent Kicker and Punter.
    Amazing athlete.

  • Ida Preston, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    This was a good article, but I never remember a time since pre-Lavell, where a prediction of who was going to be quarterbacking the team in anything more than next year was accurate. It seems that he who gets the most hype is the one who always finds the bottom quickest! Wonder if it has anything to do with pride and ego.......! (McMahan excluded, of course) Humility never fails to reap the biggest benefit, in my opinion. The word is teachability!! He who puts his talent on the scale with teachability will be the quarterback, and I think the teachability side might even out weight the talent side.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    DN Sports Writers, enough of the underhanded negative comments about Heaps, only now that he's made his decision to leave the program-- "2012 ... That was the year Heaps and all of his great potential was supposed to have blossomed in full.." I'm firmly in Riley's camp and wasn't a big fan of Heaps ever since he set foot on campus; however, let the guy go. If you didn't have the professionalism to be critical of him while he was actually playing, and you had plenty of chances, why start now that he's walking away from the program? Correct, because it's easy, low-lying "fruit" to pick from. You can do better.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:54 p.m.


    Gurney is in a race to put out as many articles as he possibly can these days.....and the quality has suffered.

  • Ida Preston, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Devilishute: An your point is......? Good for the Utes, but who cares???

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:48 p.m.


    Well we know the Utesies won't be getting any BCS berths for a very long time if ever again. With Wynnie and well nobody at QB, unless White the 14th can carry the ball 80 times a game and stay healthy. Get used to losing to the Buffs.


  • yourstruly PAUL, ID
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Although faster, bigger and much stronger which Hill likely is over almost any quarterback remember the jury is still out on Riley Nelsen as he has shown flashes as a pretty gifted passer especially against Hawaii. Nevertheless Taysom is a Steve Young, Jim McMahon type athlete and may have huge upside.
    I still don't buy that a redshirt year gives a super bright mature guy like Hill nearly the headstart that a couple of games midway thru his freshman year will give him. If he is there physically and mentally next year I hope he sees the field sooner than 13.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    Wow! that was predicable. Damage control, all this article does is relieve Bronco and Doman from speculation as to their competence.

    Now all they have to say is; Well, we had him slatted for 2013.

    PR, you got to love it!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Plenty of Unkindness This Week

    I am disheartened by the criticism so cheaply directed at Jake Heaps by the media and fans who should on limited information display more heart and less passion. Where is kindness?

    All I know is what I saw with my own eyes: An extraordinary talent who is clearly a winner.

    If Jake Heaps was not such an incredible talent and capable of leading a team to a championship, why would there be all this fuss? Why would so many care when he left? Its precisely because of that fact that many are upset that he did leave. They are too proud to admit it. So, like children they rant, or like immature lovers they diss their ex as soon as they part ways.

    And these comparisons to the early Lavell-era quarterback situations dont cut it, because this coaching staff truly wants a dual-threat quarterback, and a run-first offense. The old pass-happy BYU was a pass first team, with only a few exceptions. Why would Jake stick around for this? Thats not the offense he was recruited to lead.

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    2013 was going to be the year. I think there are guys that will step in and do well, but we won't make it to a big time bowl game because there is no way that we are going undefeated. I think Heaps departure puts the QB position in flux for 2012. Looking at that schedule Nelson loses to Georgia Tech, Notre Dame(in south bend), at Utah and at Boise St. That means another year of 8-4 or 9-3 plus a mediocre bowl game. When will we get over that hump of 9-10 wins and have one phenomenal year? Like it or not Heaps transfer hurts us. Everyone is maad he didn't stay and redshirt because he could have been great for two years, so don't rip him and say he couldn't hit receivers. It hurts, plain and simple because we are left with a bunch of unknowns that haven't played for 4-5 years. Who will replace Heaps? And who can replace Riley in 2012?

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    "Next season, Riley Nelson will obviously retain the reins as BYUs starting quarterback. But what about in 2013? That was the year Heaps and all of his great potential was supposed to have blossomed in full, leading BYU to possibly its first-ever BCS bowl berth."

    "Possibly its first-ever BCS bowl berth" is the part I like best, but I needed to post the rest for context. This was the funniest unintentional comment I've heard all day. BYU is still dreaming about a chance to play in a BCS game. By contrast, Utah has been there AND won twice.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    "But what about in 2013? That was the year Heaps and all of his great potential was supposed to have blossomed in full, leading BYU to possibly its first-ever BCS bowl berth." Mr. Gurney, are you serious? Staying as an independent, based on the level of scheduling (which does improve some in 2013), our Cougs have no chance at a BCS bowl. Let's not get too crazy. Let's face a little bit of reality, here. This is the main reson why I was in favor of them joining an AQ Conference. I love me Cougs, but no way do the Cougs get into a BCS bowl in 2 years. Obviously "nat'l exposure" only is the priority in this athletic department. Sorry to break the news to you!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    At the risk of sounding like I have a man-crush or something, Riley is a DECENT to GOOD passer (and getting better) (really!), a GREAT athlete and a PHENOMINAL leader. I don't see how you can debate that.

  • Ville Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    As good an athlete and quarterback as the one he is going to replace? Really...we all better hope he is a better athlete and an even better QB than the guy he is replacing or it will be more of the same. Not relevant, not ranked and no BCS bowl game, which is nothing more than a dream right now anyway.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Okay, Heaps is gone, we are officially in the post-Heaps era. No more articles please. We have all moved on to the future. I am sure the team is focusing on the bowl game, not Jake Heaps. He wasn't going to start that game anyways.

  • Ville Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    As good an athlete and quarterback as the one he is going to replace? Really,
    we all better hope he is a better athlete and an even better QB than the one he'll replace if you want to be ranked and get to a BCS bowl game!

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    It sounds like the Cougs are solid for several years at the QB position, which is a huge contrast Whittingham's efforts in this same area.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Dec. 8, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    Let the speculation begin... I agree with the point that our depth and skill set at quarterback lends itself to a more mobile quarterback. I think that in the last few years we have seen a trend nationally towards mobile quarterbacks, and with good results for the most part.