Critics blast Las Vegas pipeline proposal

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  • byu rugby Crystal Lake, IL
    Nov. 21, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Southern Nevada needs to live within it's means. I know this is a foreign concept to the wheeler-dealers of Lost Wages. Besides, Nobody sees Vegas emerging from it's economic quagmire anytime soon. Quit issuing building permits, require existing residents to reduce all water consumption by 40%, and declare that Southern Nevada is full.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Any environmental lawyer worth his salt could shut this thing down in a heartbeat.

    An endangered endemic plant -- the Ute Ladies's Tress Orchid (Spiranthes diluvialis) -- grows in seeps and springs on federal lands overlying the aquifers from which Las Vegas intends to withdraw fossil water. The plant would be wiped out by drawing down the water table and drying up those seeps and springs.

    Endangered plant species, while provided less protection under the federal Endangered Species Act than animals, are still protected on federal lands and from federal action. A lawsuit attacking any federal permits or any effects of the project on federal lands would, most likely, be successful.

    So, it kinda makes you wonder why tree huggers and Utah politicians claming they want to stop this project are AWOL when needed, huh?

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    Meanwhile,Governor Herbert and the State of Utah have not opposed the Vegas pipeline. He as abandoned the battle to the LDS Church and the Great Basin farmers. Unbelievable.

    Nov. 21, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Emophiliac, Justamac guy

    Thanks for the information. I was wrong, but then i guess that's what these kind of comment boards are for!

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I have lots or reading to do.

  • AmPatriot Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 4:28 a.m.

    AT some point Las Vegas and Nevada will have to come to terms with themselves and what they want for the future of Nevada. Sure, they can't pump every last ounce of water they can from the aquifers but what happens when that dries up? Will they start laying claim to mountain runoff feeding the aquifers?

    The day has come for Nevada to level off and try to maintain without turning the rest of the west in to a Sahara Desert where not even plant life can grow. Its time to get a reality bite and stop this carnage they want to impose on all of the western states. Las Vegas and Nevada new going in to their development that resources were limited and they should have made development more consistent with reality. This country including Las Vegas is no longer in economic growth and the city of gambling has reached its peak, never again to have the glory it had. Their own economy has proven that.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    Water, in this part of the world, needs to come to what oil has come to for everyone. If you can pay, you can have it. And even if you can pay, it will get more expensive, because more people want it. It's not the evil casino fountains that vegas needs water for. It's the 2 million plus people. Like those of us along the front, there are way too many people there for what water is available locally. I'm not surprised they want more. So do we here. It's just that the resource is limited, and this is a lesson we have to learn again and again for many commodities. We can get enough whisky to drink, as the man said, but water is for fightin' over.

  • WayneDe MONROVIA, CA
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    A reasonable solution seems clear. Allow Las Vegas to build the pipeline, at their own expense, and "borrow" the water for a reasonable trial period (2-5 years.) If the aquifer is negatively impacted Las Vegas should contractually agree to return the water it "borrowed" (from other municipal sources) using its pipeline to pump water back into the aquifer, recharge it. If there is no noticeable degradation to the aquifer allow Las Vegas to continue to "borrow" the water conditional on reviews of the aquifer's stability with the proviso that whenever there is degradation Las Vagas recharges the aquifer and ceases their water plundering behavior. Of course, Vagas may not like the odds on such a plan or gamble. ;-)

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    Of all the alternatives, conservation, recycling, other in-state sources, using water from a Utah aquifer to wet Las Vegas is the least sensible. Stop debating this issue and start working on a viable option.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Nov. 20, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    I think they need to reclaim the water they use in Vegas you know recycle toilet water for drinking what wnt down brown can be resued again to drink. The technology is there why not use it?

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    As noted by justamacguy, the CUP or Central Utah Project is sucking water off the Uintas and sending it to Salt Lake. Don't imagine that Salt Lake's mountains supply enough water for its population. I'm a little surprised that they haven't tried to run a pipeline from Flaming Gorge to SLC. Looks like Colorado might beat them to it.

  • live4uid PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    I'm always leery of draining our rural resources for the needs of city living. Are we going to create an all urban society? I certainly don't want that and want to protect the rural way of life.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    People need to educate themselves on the issues. The fountains in Las Vegas are run off of "grey" water. That is water that they have used and treated to make it safe for certain forms of reuse. That should be considered a testimony to recycling. Next is the fact that SLC does intact get it's water from hundreds of miles away. Please familiarize yourselves with the "Central Utah Project". And lastly, I don't think I want the government dictating where I can live. That will be a choice that my job, income and personal choice will dictate.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Before they build this pipeline, they ought to put conservation measures into place such as retrofit plumbing so that water that has been used to wash dishes and take baths is then used to flush toilets. If after all they can do, they still need more, then lets talk.

    Nov. 20, 2011 10:13 a.m.


    I tried to look it up, but CUP isn't exactly a google friendly term. Could you give me more details?

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Nov. 20, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    Just be careful with this issue water people. The fact is Las Vegas "already" has overbuilt. Now they want more water for future growth and that is absurb. Let's all work to see that these arrid areas of ridiculous growth from the past can work out the issues they are now faced with including Washington Co. in Utah, Phoenix, Tucson ect, alleveating todays problems and then "put severe growth restrictions" upon every desert locale starting NOW! You cannot continue this crazy uninhibited expansion any longer. Move the growth to areas that have the resources thats all.

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Virgil might want to look into a little thing called the CUP. That water in Salt Lake is coming from somewhere, and they keep looking for more.

    Nov. 20, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    I agree that it is evil for Las Vegas to pump water in from an underground aquifer.

    Meanwhile Utah pumps water from the Colorado River basin to the Wasatch Front and Washington County wants to pump water many miles from the Colorado River.

    Would a fair settlement be for Utah to kill the boondogle to pump water from Glen Canyon to St. George if Nevada agrees not to build the Las Vegas pipeline from Northeastern Nevada? Can Utah practice what we preach to Las Vegas?

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 5:37 a.m.

    maybe they should make a continental pipeline seems like back east they always have flooding etc bring the excess water to the west!

    Nov. 19, 2011 9:46 p.m.

    How many more fountains do they need down there in Las Vegas to keep the tourists coming?

    Say what you want about SLC wasting water, at least we don't pump it in from hundreds of miles away.