Weeks later, however, no group can afford to give a performance where their
soloist does not amaze the crowd. While "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" did
not necessarily have the same pitch issues as "I'll be Missing You,"
Ben lacked the presence on stage that some of his group members consistently
possess and much of the performance felt stiff and a little awkward. I found
myself waiting for McKay and Jake to perform not only because their voices have
a little more strength, but also because they are so dynamic and fun on stage.
Ben's voice on the higher notes did not ping or "cut" the way Keith's
did on the first song. Other groups have taken the judges' preferences for
voices into consideration and have consistently put these voices as leads. Take,
for instance, the Aires and Urban Method. Even Afro Blue, while lacking some
things in arrangements, consistently wows with its soloists. VP took a chance by
having Ben sing the lead and they paid for it in the end.
I am a big fan of Vocal Point, they are by far one of my favorite groups to
listen to each week and I was shocked and sad to see them go this week. That
being said, the two times I have not enjoyed their performances as much have
been when they place Ben at the forefront. The first time, he had pitch issues.
At least, however, he had a passion and a reason to be singing the song (he was
singing for his recently deceased father) and for that, VP was saved from
entering the bottom two.
I agree with the comments about commercial viability. Last year's group,
(Committed) a bunch of church boys from the south, have had a hard time selling
records. Sony producers have a say in eliminations. I think they wanted VP out
before the voting was opened to the public. The criticisms from the judges were
pretty weak against VP compared to those leveled at other groups. It is fitting
that this week was about R&B and most of the songs by other groups were
characteristically sexually suggestive. It only highlights the problems with VP
relating to the masses. I always believed they would make it to the top 3. But
an early elimination is a moot point because Pentatonix will take the whole
thing. I just think Sony wanted to make sure there wasn't a chance of having
another "Committed" on their hands.
The real reason goes back to liberal thinking. No matter how good this group
might be, they would never be allowed to win. There is no fairness in anything
related to the news or entertainment media. They have their own agenda and
punish or reward based on that.
I thought Vocal Point got the raw end of the deal. "Every Little
Step" was well done. I was very surprised Urban Method wasn't in the
bottom 2 rather than VP. The only thing they bring to the table is rapping.
The lead female singer is okay but when she tries to hit the high notes, it
seems to me she is screaming. I think I would rather hear someone's fingernails
scratching a blackboard. It seems the judging should be based on the whole
competition performances, not just that evenings. As others have
said, Pentatonix should win it all. Their group is unique and their bass is
I am so upset that Vocal Point was eliminated, Yes I'm Mormon, but that first
episode of Sing Off this season, I was considering NOT watching this year,
because nobody touched my heart like last season. And then the Mormons were up.
And holy heck if they did not give me goosebumps! They were amazing! And they
continued to not only make me proud that these guys represented our religion,
but I was entranced as a fan!So I'm confused at their love of the Aires.
Not only do they not compliment eachother, but it always features the same
singer! I want range!And Urban Method's one true cool factor is the rapper.So
why were they not sent home? V.P. "was pitchy" on a song for a loss,
and the 2nd R+B didn't have the magic. But what other group flies home for class
each week?! Other groups still there have been in bottom 2 so much more!So why aren't my new acapella crushes still singing their hearts out?!
And sorry Ben, but McKay should had lead on that second song. Yours is too
pretty. I love you Jake!(hugs)Keep up with crooning!
The kids are alright.
I don't agree with eastcoastcoug: "Having an all-white group go on national
TV to represent BYU in 2011, just confirms the image in most people's mind of an
all-white Mormon population. I know there were non US kids in Vocal Point, but
are there no Polynesian, African or Asian young men that can sing and
dance?".Those boys are in Vocal Point because they made it
through the tough audition process at BYU. It's not because they fit the
"typical all white mormon" mold as you put it, but because of their
qualifying talent and skill. They are simply the young men who made the cut to
be in the group. Period. Vocal Point wouldn't merely select
"Polynesian, African or Asian young men" to be in the group just to
look diversified (even if the young men were qualified). They came as they are -
which is fantastic.
Its a vocal "beauty contest" boys and girls. Certainly, VP would have
likely gone to the top three if allowed into the public voting (we are a very
savvy group of social marketeers), but alas, not to be. Like much of life, we
must do the best we can given the injustices of this flawed world. That's been
the pattern for those that try to do good for quite a long time. I personally
enjoyed VPs efforts and their spirit, but have to admit that I would probably
recognize that Pentatonic is at another level given their five voices (are there
really only 5).
I was wondering which songs from the sing off sold the best on iTunes? I think
that would have been a good indicator of who really was the best group. As for
me I would have only bought the vocal point songs. I love their sound. They
are very marketable even without having won a silly NBC game show.
Tlingit of Orem said it well when pointing out this: The judges, who praised
Mike Christensen on an earlier show for not trying to sound like Elvis, were
critical of Ben for not sounding like the original recording.And
metamoracoug hit the nail on the head with this: I think the real reason Vocal
Point got booted last night was because they were the least commercially viable.
The producers needed to get them off the show BEFORE the audience started
voting, because Vocal Point has the charm, charisma and stage presence that the
other groups lack.I've been admiring and cheering VP on for weeks,
but hearing the judges week by week, it's pretty clear producers didn't want
these guys to go all the way. Would've complicated things. One more week into
the audience voting stage, and there would have been little to hold them
back.BTW, I'll Be Missing You, including Ben's lead vocal, was among
the all-time great performances. Forget the pitch issues. It heard it but it
didn't matter. I could not quit watching it for days, and I think the average
viewer recognized it, too. Well done, guys.
If you have listened to Sara's comments after each performance of Vocal Point
all season, you would know that she was condescending and making light of
"the boys from Provo." She was giving them back handed compliments.
She was not very nice. Vocal Point was good, they made it to the top
5 and deserved to go further, but the prejudices of Sara, and perhaps even
Shawn, predetermined the outcome. That said, their first
performance last night was outstanding, the second was mediocre. But they were
better than Afro Blue, which has been in the bottom 2 more than once.
I have watched the show and thought also that Vocal Point or Pentatonic would
win. But I also worried that when it was turned over to the audience vote that
many would vote against VP because of their faith. I really did not see them
winning for this reason. I think that they did A LOT of good out there in
showing people who we as LDS are but I agree with another poster that said it
would have been nice if there were other nationalities represented in the group.
But, they were great and I hope that they get lots of back up now and can get on
with their lives without feeling that they let themselves,family,school,church
down.. because they did not. Maybe it all boils down to the fact that God has
other plans for these wonderful young men that in the eternal perspective is
much more important then having a singing career... Good luck guys and thanks
for all the laughter and joy we had in watching you preform.. enjoy now home,
family, school and SLEEP!!!!!
I think the real reason Vocal Point got booted last night was because they were
the least commercially viable. The producers needed to get them off the show
BEFORE the audience started voting, because Vocal Point has the charm, charisma
and stage presence that the other groups lack. I agree with NedGrimley that the
vocal presentations and arrangements of Pentatonix are the best -- and they will
win unless they totally mess up, but on stage they are boring. Vocal point
however has the total package. I'm pretty sure if Vocal Point had stayed on
they would have stood a good chance of winning because they were a crowd
Didn't jib with my perception, Vocalpoint should have been in the finals. is it
possible there was 'another' agenda guiding the judges instead of the singing of
I haven't watched any of the show until last night, so I don't know history. But
even though I thought VP was better than Afro Blue, Pentatonix blew everyone
away last night....
Vocal Point was amazing. I thought they were head and shoulders above a couple
of the other groups last night. Their first performance was fantastic. Truly,
sad to see them leave. I wish it were up to America when it gets down to only a
few remaining groups. They should be proud of what they accomplished.
sad and disappointing, but I now I get my Monday nights back
Vocal Point was NOT the worst group last night. I think they were
voted off because of what McKay said in the video clip which preceded their
second song. I just cringed as I heard it, and I can't imagine the judges didn't
as well...To paraphrase, McKay said that Vocal Point needs to win so
that they could get there message of happiness out to the world.Ugh.
Those clips affect the judges. I'm thinking the judges were not as
thrilled about turning their show into McKay's Mormon evangelical hour as he
was.Suddenly, the judges, who praised Mike Christensen on an earlier
show for not trying to sound like Elvis, were critical of Ben for not sounding
like the original recording. And VP's arranging, which the judges were fine with
when they were wowed on their earlier song, was suddenly and mysteriously
"too safe" and Vocal Point was voted off.Thankfully, the
Church's "message of happiness" doesn't actually need Vocal Point to
win a contest to get to the world. :-)Well done, guys. Enjoy your
families and studies.Hopefully your experience on the Sing Off will
be something to build on for your careers.
Zoniezoobie, all-boy groups one both of the first two seasons of the Sing-off,
so this would not have been the first time. Needless to say, I thought that
Vocal Point were harshly judged for one mediocre performance last night. Their
first song was the best of the first five performances. In my opinion,
Afro-Blue should have gone. They have been in the bottom for several weeks and
have had many average to bad performances, including last night. Pentatonix
should win this season. They are far and away the best group with the most
talent and creativity.
The group did fine and did merits to advance, but instead of being judged on
what they did they were dismissed on what they did not do on their
presentations. Remaining groups struggled when performing out of their range,
but were allowed to stay despite of being harshly critized. Vocal Point accepted
the verdict graciously and who knows they may be a surprise for them in the
future. Good luck.
@eastcoastcougAre you looking for an affirmative action program for
university music groups to ensure an equal representation of backgrounds? If
so, would you ask the same for their sports teams?
It's as if the judges didn't even listen to the first performance of the night
which was incredible. They were let go because they are not HipHop/R&B/Rap
enough. That seems to be the only acceptable forms of music these days. LAME!
Too bad, I thought VP had the best shot at an all-boy group winning for the
first time. Now its up to the Dartmouth Aires.
Vocal Point did a great job. They are without question better than two of the
groups remaining. As far as the entire performance package (music, showmanship,
dancing, etc.) is concerned, they were the best on the show.
I thought the guys did great in their performances. One observation about them
and many other BYU groups: get some kids to represent us that represent more the
diversity of the Church. Having an all-white group go on national TV to
represent BYU in 2011, just confirms the image in most people's mind of an
all-white Mormon population. I know there were non US kids in Vocal Point, but
are there no Polynesian, African or Asian young men that can sing and dance? I think this had to influence the judges perception (wrong or right)
about VP's ability to perform music of different genres.
Unbelievable! They were easily in the top 3. Pentatonix will win, but Vocal
Point should have been in the finals. Thank you NBC for letting the
inconsistent judges make the decision instead of the people.
Looking at the reactions of the other remaining groups shows they were just as
surprised as many of us that Vocal Point didn't advance further. BTW:
Vocal Point is the only group in the entire competition that chose not to use
NBC's music adviser to arrange their performances.They are still the
Well done, Vocal Point! Loved your performances, every one! We felt you
deserved to win, but then what? Now you really have won, because now you get
your lives back.You've made us proud, Vocal Point! GO COUGARS!