Vocal Point out of the running on 'The Sing-off'

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    Nov. 18, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    Weeks later, however, no group can afford to give a performance where their soloist does not amaze the crowd. While "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" did not necessarily have the same pitch issues as "I'll be Missing You," Ben lacked the presence on stage that some of his group members consistently possess and much of the performance felt stiff and a little awkward. I found myself waiting for McKay and Jake to perform not only because their voices have a little more strength, but also because they are so dynamic and fun on stage. Ben's voice on the higher notes did not ping or "cut" the way Keith's did on the first song. Other groups have taken the judges' preferences for voices into consideration and have consistently put these voices as leads. Take, for instance, the Aires and Urban Method. Even Afro Blue, while lacking some things in arrangements, consistently wows with its soloists. VP took a chance by having Ben sing the lead and they paid for it in the end.

    Nov. 18, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    I am a big fan of Vocal Point, they are by far one of my favorite groups to listen to each week and I was shocked and sad to see them go this week. That being said, the two times I have not enjoyed their performances as much have been when they place Ben at the forefront. The first time, he had pitch issues. At least, however, he had a passion and a reason to be singing the song (he was singing for his recently deceased father) and for that, VP was saved from entering the bottom two.

  • workingfromhomeDad Orem, UT
    Nov. 17, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I agree with the comments about commercial viability. Last year's group, (Committed) a bunch of church boys from the south, have had a hard time selling records. Sony producers have a say in eliminations. I think they wanted VP out before the voting was opened to the public. The criticisms from the judges were pretty weak against VP compared to those leveled at other groups. It is fitting that this week was about R&B and most of the songs by other groups were characteristically sexually suggestive. It only highlights the problems with VP relating to the masses. I always believed they would make it to the top 3. But an early elimination is a moot point because Pentatonix will take the whole thing. I just think Sony wanted to make sure there wasn't a chance of having another "Committed" on their hands.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Nov. 17, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    The real reason goes back to liberal thinking. No matter how good this group might be, they would never be allowed to win. There is no fairness in anything related to the news or entertainment media. They have their own agenda and punish or reward based on that.

  • Rock Steady B Layton, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    I thought Vocal Point got the raw end of the deal. "Every Little Step" was well done. I was very surprised Urban Method wasn't in the bottom 2 rather than VP. The only thing they bring to the table is rapping. The lead female singer is okay but when she tries to hit the high notes, it seems to me she is screaming. I think I would rather hear someone's fingernails scratching a blackboard. It seems the judging should be based on the whole competition performances, not just that evenings.

    As others have said, Pentatonix should win it all. Their group is unique and their bass is pretty awesome.

  • wendyburd1 SOUTHINGTON, CT
    Nov. 16, 2011 3:41 a.m.

    I am so upset that Vocal Point was eliminated, Yes I'm Mormon, but that first episode of Sing Off this season, I was considering NOT watching this year, because nobody touched my heart like last season. And then the Mormons were up. And holy heck if they did not give me goosebumps! They were amazing! And they continued to not only make me proud that these guys represented our religion, but I was entranced as a fan!
    So I'm confused at their love of the Aires. Not only do they not compliment eachother, but it always features the same singer! I want range!And Urban Method's one true cool factor is the rapper.So why were they not sent home? V.P. "was pitchy" on a song for a loss, and the 2nd R+B didn't have the magic. But what other group flies home for class each week?! Other groups still there have been in bottom 2 so much more!

    So why aren't my new acapella crushes still singing their hearts out?! And sorry Ben, but McKay should had lead on that second song. Yours is too pretty. I love you Jake!(hugs)Keep up with crooning!

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 10:32 p.m.

    The kids are alright.

  • Merrivoice PROVO, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    I don't agree with eastcoastcoug: "Having an all-white group go on national TV to represent BYU in 2011, just confirms the image in most people's mind of an all-white Mormon population. I know there were non US kids in Vocal Point, but are there no Polynesian, African or Asian young men that can sing and dance?".

    Those boys are in Vocal Point because they made it through the tough audition process at BYU. It's not because they fit the "typical all white mormon" mold as you put it, but because of their qualifying talent and skill. They are simply the young men who made the cut to be in the group. Period.

    Vocal Point wouldn't merely select "Polynesian, African or Asian young men" to be in the group just to look diversified (even if the young men were qualified). They came as they are - which is fantastic.

  • Eagles63 Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Its a vocal "beauty contest" boys and girls. Certainly, VP would have likely gone to the top three if allowed into the public voting (we are a very savvy group of social marketeers), but alas, not to be. Like much of life, we must do the best we can given the injustices of this flawed world. That's been the pattern for those that try to do good for quite a long time. I personally enjoyed VPs efforts and their spirit, but have to admit that I would probably recognize that Pentatonic is at another level given their five voices (are there really only 5).

  • pinetrees2 Aurora, CO
    Nov. 15, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    I was wondering which songs from the sing off sold the best on iTunes? I think that would have been a good indicator of who really was the best group. As for me I would have only bought the vocal point songs. I love their sound. They are very marketable even without having won a silly NBC game show.

  • Sandy Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    Tlingit of Orem said it well when pointing out this: The judges, who praised Mike Christensen on an earlier show for not trying to sound like Elvis, were critical of Ben for not sounding like the original recording.

    And metamoracoug hit the nail on the head with this: I think the real reason Vocal Point got booted last night was because they were the least commercially viable. The producers needed to get them off the show BEFORE the audience started voting, because Vocal Point has the charm, charisma and stage presence that the other groups lack.

    I've been admiring and cheering VP on for weeks, but hearing the judges week by week, it's pretty clear producers didn't want these guys to go all the way. Would've complicated things. One more week into the audience voting stage, and there would have been little to hold them back.

    BTW, I'll Be Missing You, including Ben's lead vocal, was among the all-time great performances. Forget the pitch issues. It heard it but it didn't matter. I could not quit watching it for days, and I think the average viewer recognized it, too. Well done, guys.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    If you have listened to Sara's comments after each performance of Vocal Point all season, you would know that she was condescending and making light of "the boys from Provo." She was giving them back handed compliments. She was not very nice.

    Vocal Point was good, they made it to the top 5 and deserved to go further, but the prejudices of Sara, and perhaps even Shawn, predetermined the outcome.

    That said, their first performance last night was outstanding, the second was mediocre. But they were better than Afro Blue, which has been in the bottom 2 more than once.

    Nov. 15, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    I have watched the show and thought also that Vocal Point or Pentatonic would win. But I also worried that when it was turned over to the audience vote that many would vote against VP because of their faith. I really did not see them winning for this reason. I think that they did A LOT of good out there in showing people who we as LDS are but I agree with another poster that said it would have been nice if there were other nationalities represented in the group. But, they were great and I hope that they get lots of back up now and can get on with their lives without feeling that they let themselves,family,school,church down.. because they did not. Maybe it all boils down to the fact that God has other plans for these wonderful young men that in the eternal perspective is much more important then having a singing career... Good luck guys and thanks for all the laughter and joy we had in watching you preform.. enjoy now home, family, school and SLEEP!!!!!

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Nov. 15, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    I think the real reason Vocal Point got booted last night was because they were the least commercially viable. The producers needed to get them off the show BEFORE the audience started voting, because Vocal Point has the charm, charisma and stage presence that the other groups lack. I agree with NedGrimley that the vocal presentations and arrangements of Pentatonix are the best -- and they will win unless they totally mess up, but on stage they are boring. Vocal point however has the total package. I'm pretty sure if Vocal Point had stayed on they would have stood a good chance of winning because they were a crowd favorite.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    Nov. 15, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Didn't jib with my perception, Vocalpoint should have been in the finals. is it possible there was 'another' agenda guiding the judges instead of the singing of the groups?

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    I haven't watched any of the show until last night, so I don't know history. But even though I thought VP was better than Afro Blue, Pentatonix blew everyone away last night....

  • fibonacci2112 VALENCIA, CA
    Nov. 15, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Vocal Point was amazing. I thought they were head and shoulders above a couple of the other groups last night. Their first performance was fantastic. Truly, sad to see them leave. I wish it were up to America when it gets down to only a few remaining groups. They should be proud of what they accomplished.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    sad and disappointing, but I now I get my Monday nights back

  • Tlingit Orem, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Vocal Point was NOT the worst group last night.

    I think they were voted off because of what McKay said in the video clip which preceded their second song. I just cringed as I heard it, and I can't imagine the judges didn't as well...

    To paraphrase, McKay said that Vocal Point needs to win so that they could get there message of happiness out to the world.

    Ugh. Those clips affect the judges.

    I'm thinking the judges were not as thrilled about turning their show into McKay's Mormon evangelical hour as he was.

    Suddenly, the judges, who praised Mike Christensen on an earlier show for not trying to sound like Elvis, were critical of Ben for not sounding like the original recording. And VP's arranging, which the judges were fine with when they were wowed on their earlier song, was suddenly and mysteriously "too safe" and Vocal Point was voted off.

    Thankfully, the Church's "message of happiness" doesn't actually need Vocal Point to win a contest to get to the world. :-)

    Well done, guys. Enjoy your families and studies.

    Hopefully your experience on the Sing Off will be something to build on for your careers.

  • derecha Central, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Zoniezoobie, all-boy groups one both of the first two seasons of the Sing-off, so this would not have been the first time. Needless to say, I thought that Vocal Point were harshly judged for one mediocre performance last night. Their first song was the best of the first five performances. In my opinion, Afro-Blue should have gone. They have been in the bottom for several weeks and have had many average to bad performances, including last night. Pentatonix should win this season. They are far and away the best group with the most talent and creativity.

  • tiger1 New York, NY
    Nov. 15, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    The group did fine and did merits to advance, but instead of being judged on what they did they were dismissed on what they did not do on their presentations. Remaining groups struggled when performing out of their range, but were allowed to stay despite of being harshly critized. Vocal Point accepted the verdict graciously and who knows they may be a surprise for them in the future. Good luck.

  • Macfarren Dallas, TX
    Nov. 15, 2011 8:54 a.m.


    Are you looking for an affirmative action program for university music groups to ensure an equal representation of backgrounds? If so, would you ask the same for their sports teams?

  • riverdayz Salt Lake County, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    It's as if the judges didn't even listen to the first performance of the night which was incredible. They were let go because they are not HipHop/R&B/Rap enough. That seems to be the only acceptable forms of music these days. LAME!

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    Nov. 15, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    Too bad, I thought VP had the best shot at an all-boy group winning for the first time. Now its up to the Dartmouth Aires.

  • Neuron Average, SE
    Nov. 15, 2011 6:55 a.m.

    Vocal Point did a great job. They are without question better than two of the groups remaining. As far as the entire performance package (music, showmanship, dancing, etc.) is concerned, they were the best on the show.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 15, 2011 4:25 a.m.

    I thought the guys did great in their performances. One observation about them and many other BYU groups: get some kids to represent us that represent more the diversity of the Church. Having an all-white group go on national TV to represent BYU in 2011, just confirms the image in most people's mind of an all-white Mormon population. I know there were non US kids in Vocal Point, but are there no Polynesian, African or Asian young men that can sing and dance?

    I think this had to influence the judges perception (wrong or right) about VP's ability to perform music of different genres.

  • bamidan WEST RICHLAND, WA
    Nov. 15, 2011 12:47 a.m.

    Unbelievable! They were easily in the top 3. Pentatonix will win, but Vocal Point should have been in the finals. Thank you NBC for letting the inconsistent judges make the decision instead of the people.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    Looking at the reactions of the other remaining groups shows they were just as surprised as many of us that Vocal Point didn't advance further.
    BTW: Vocal Point is the only group in the entire competition that chose not to use NBC's music adviser to arrange their performances.

    They are still the best!

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    Well done, Vocal Point! Loved your performances, every one! We felt you deserved to win, but then what? Now you really have won, because now you get your lives back.

    You've made us proud, Vocal Point! GO COUGARS!