Man killed in avalanche near Snowbird

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  • DUBBLEDUB Scottsdale, AZ
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    Gotta say, I agree with EVERYTHING that Ms. Molli has said.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    @ Cammy, I wouldn't expect people to risk their lives to come to the aid of extreme risk takers, particularly if they were in an area they weren't supposed to be in. My family is just that way -- we wouldn't expect others to put their lives at risk when we decide to do something daring and stupid. And no one should be in a "severe snow storm" if their vehicle cannot handle it -- they are putting other lives at risk as well as their own.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    @Cammmy: I have a front drive car... I don't have snow tires. If the roads are bad enough that I can't get traction, I stay home. If a blizzard warning is called during the middle of the day, I go home. It costs me two, maybe 3 days of work a year... which is a lot better than risking my life and my vehicle by venturing out.

  • cammmy SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    Come on, give the guy a break! This guy was an extended family member to me and I'm sure you would be speaking differently if he were related to you! He was a professional who took some risks and paid the price. Maybe if we all had 4X4s there would be fewer fatalities on the roads in severe snow storms. Do you want to charge people fines if their Minivans don't have all wheel drive and they get into a wreck? How about massive fines if you don't have snow tires 1/2 of the year here in N. Utah?? Anybody for more government-imposed fines?

  • sknny tires fat skis Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:40 p.m.

    My condolences to the family. Jamie was a legend and will live on in memory.

    Can you believe Snowbird's attitude? A local world record-holding legend dies in LCC and all the Bird can talk about is that he was on their land. I can hear him thinking "without paying." That is wrong. Actually Mr. Pierre was in the national forest on public land using the public mountains.

    Pretty scary attitude. Let's propose a new bill called the Jamie Pierre Act that limits Ski resort expansion to its current levels and re-grants the right to the public to use the public land.

  • Jacknife Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    @Molli, most search and rescue teams are voluntary and therefore require very little of your tax dollars.


    Thank you to all the SAR (in this case recovery), you are definitely under appreciated here in Utah.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    @Bass, then don't rescue them as that should be part of the risk. We can't have people using the ski areas that are not yet open, have no avalance protection in place, have signs posted re no trespassing, and then have risk takers using them and expecting public/private resources to pay to rescue them.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Ms Molli: Most ski areas sit on National Forest property. For the most part they can only limit what happens on their permitted area while they are open for the season. I can certainly go hike the runs at Snowbird any time during the summer without them having any jurisdiction to cite me. The taxpayers own it.
    Alta is a perfect example. Anyone can hike and ski or board the runs pre and post season, it should be perfectly legal. Riders must accept the risk of avalanches but they certainly shouldn't be cited.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:36 a.m.

    The trespassers should ALL be cited and they should ALL be charged with the bill when rescuerers all called.

  • Old Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    So sorry about Jaime's death.

    There are some concerns I have though about saying:

    "There is no avalanche control being done," Hoyal said, noting that skiers and snowboarders could be cited for trespassing for being on the mountain.

    Clearly there is no avalanche control being done pre season, and there are back country conditions that exist. We accept that risk. While accidental death is tragic there is a lot of life being lived up in our mountains.

    Most of the ski resorts want to expand and take over more back country areas. Threatening "us" with citations, like it is "Private Property", is not going to help fulfill their goals.

    Even when avalanche control is done inside the resort boundaries, that doesn't guarantee safety. These are mountains, and therefore inherently dangerous. When people get hurt at a resort they feel entitled to sue somebody. They think they are at Disneyland and everything is controlled. They need to be aware of, and accept the danger.

    Thank to all the resorts for letting us ski on "YOUR" mountain and hopefully all the ski areas will remain "open" for back county access.

    Let it snow!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    Rest in Peace Jamie, you were fun to watch.

  • Love Utah Draper, UT
    Nov. 13, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    Please skiers and snowboarders, adhere the warnings, they're there for your safety. It's not just you who suffers the consequences, please think about those around you and rescuers, who put their lives in danger to save you. Let's all be sensible and safe this season. No family wants the heartache that Mr Pierre's family is going through. They have my condolences.

  • Theeng2 Holladay, UT
    Nov. 13, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Fall and early pre season snow can disrupt the snow pack and cause depth hoar crystals to form. Depth hoars are faceted crystals that form weak layers near the ground and can be super-unstable for the snowpack as it builds up over a season. Please be safe out there this season.