Red roundup: Utah, UCLA are 'running from the ashes' after poor starts

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  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 9:56 p.m.


    Listen, it is a long shot but not as bad as you are making it sound. Look at this possible scenario...

    Utah, UCLA, ASU finish 5-4-Three way tie.
    ASU loses to Arizona and Colorado ( I know unlikely but not impossible.)
    That means Utah is 3-2 against the South while both UCLA and ASU are 2-3. Utah owns the tiebreaker and will represent the South in the PAC 12 championship.

    P.S please don't reply with..."well ASU beat Utah head to head" nonsense...In a 3 way tie head to head does not matter, since ASU lost to UCLA and Utah beat UCLA.

    Nov. 11, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    gdog, I agree, it's virtually impossible and nothing we can count on, but we are not necessarily 3 games back. In the event of a 3-way tie with us, UCLA and ASU, I believe it would come down to the team with the highest BCS ranking at season's end. If ASU does implode and lose two more games, there's no telling how far they would slide down in the rankings while we continue to climb on a 5 game winning streak to end the season.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2011 2:28 p.m.


    I am a Ute lifer myself. Still, be realistic.

    Losing to ASU was a three game swing. ASU needs to lose all games remaining against weaker competition.

    Utah is not two games back of ASU as you speak. They are three back. ASU is 4-2 and Utah is 2-4. ASU holds the tiebreaker (win over Utah).

    If Utah would have beaten ASU, those three games would be gone. Going head to head, winning means you gain a game if you win, lose a game if you lose. With the tiebreaker, there's a three game swing.

    ASU is 4-2, they would have been 3-3 with a loss at Utah. The Utes would have moved from 2-4 to 3-3 here (if things played out the same since that game). In this scenario, Utah wins, and would of had the tiebreaker with ASU.

    Yes, Utah got beat badly on the scoreboard against ASU, but the Utes had the lead in the third quarter before having 4 possessions with 2 three and outs and two turnovers. Also Utah had a 80 yard touchdown called back (questionable penalty). It was John Hayes first start (too bad).

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    @Swoop and SportsFan

    Why so much anger and bitterness? life is good. sit back, relax and enjoy it!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 10:12 a.m.


    We're just 2 games back from an elite conference championship and shot at Rose Bowl game.

    And "Y"ou?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Lifelong Ute

    Utah will have to run the table and ASU and UCLA would have to lose every remaining game for the Utes to make the championship game where they would be destroyed by Oregon or Stanford.

    Utah is only mathematically still in the running; in reality, the Utes have absolutely no chance of even sniffing the roses.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Both of these teams are still in the running for the Pac 12 champ game and Rose Bowl thanks to UCLA's win over ASU last week.

    What once seemed an impossibility is now very much a possibility!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 11, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Meyer not a good fit for Penn State

    "Meyer's triumphant Gator run ended with a thud a couple of years ago. He was emotionally spent and medically fragile, which are not good things to put on a resume, and on top of that his football team was in a sudden and serious slump, which is even worse.

    Left to his own devices, without Tim Tebow at quarterback and without Dan Mullen calling the plays, Meyer was stuck in a rut, powerless to prevent South Carolina from clinching last season's SEC East title and unable to come up with anything more imaginative on offense than running backs taking direct snaps and scraping out whatever they could get...

    This is a guy who can't be counted on to stay anywhere forever, and that's all Nittany Lion fans have known with Paterno.

    What a contrast, Paterno coaching at Penn State for nearly half a century and Meyer burning out after half a dozen seasons at Florida."

    bummer, no mention of Meyer's triumphant Ute "run".