Jake has been treated horribly by the entire coaching staff. They threw him
under the bus. He took the heat for Doman's inexperience. Both Bronco and
Doman should sit Heaps down and apologize to him.
I anticipate Heaps will probably transfer after this season, as BYU exposure is
limited to playing teams primarily from non BCS conference and Doman's
quarterback offense schemes are patterned after his BYU quarterback experience
as non drop back quarterback. Unless Riley gets injured before the end of the
season , Heaps will be backup at best.If BYU continues to schedule a
majority of teams from non BCS conference, BYU recruitment of talented players
will drop and BYU lose out to teams from BCS conference, even though BYU can
offer them an athletic scholarship.I don't anticipate BYU will be
getting an invite in 2012 to BCS conference.BYU schedulers are using BYU's
independence to have a schedule where the majority of teams are not from a BCS
conference. Look at the football schedule for the next 2-3 years and one can see
a pattern that is not following after independent team schedule like Notre Dame.
Its at least better than Ricks College's football schedule or program.
It seems that many fans still have an opinion of Heaps that's based only on the
high school hype. What I saw of Heaps this season:Terrified to take
a hit.Terrified to throw an interception, thus overthrows every medium and
long-range pass.Throws uncatchable missiles on short passes.Will
not, or absolutely cannot scramble.Inability to scramble, combined with
terrified to take a hit equals pathetic runs and falling short when he's forced
to run.No creativity whatsoever when plays break down.Obviously, Heaps has a strong arm. I assume he got better pass protection
when he was in high school, and was therefore probably better able to find an
open man. But, I wonder how any high school QB becomes so highly regarded when
his game is so unbelievably one-dimensional. Or, how he maintains the high
regard of coaches and some fans after mediocre performances week after week.
@TopherThe real problem is that BYU does not have very good players.
When it is like that it is very easy to blame the coaches, but there again they
are the ones that recruited these players.
It's really too bad that the head coach cannot see the need for a
"quarterbacks coach". Doman has a lot to focus on with the offense
and is not able to put the time in to develop the quarterbacks. Riley is doing
a good job, but it could be a lot better. Jake needs a coach to help him become
a stellar quarterback at this level and progress to the next level. If you
look at the way the team has played ball this year, it is evident that the
coaching is an issue.
@JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 6:57 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 "He needs to
transfer, he is a talent being mishandled by this BYU staff. Not worth sticking
around for when they run out some careless cowboy happy feet QB who they
replaced you with to beat a lousy USU team."But, they did that
because the living legend in his own mind could not beat "a lousy USU
It is true that Heaps isn't adjusting too well to Doman's offense, but remember
that Doman is new at the job. He will get better at the job as he gains
experience, and in the next couple of years BYU could have a very explosive
I believe the best result would be for Heaps to redshirt next year. In maybe
UNLV's or Fresno State's red shirt.No I don't believe this would be
in his best interest; I'm more interested in what would be in BYU's best
interest and a QB on a personal crusade to make football a non-contact sport is
I don't know why Heaps would want to stick around for the circus this has become
only to be replaced by a guy who gets lucky and it is deemed as good. If Riley
was any good he would have beat TCU in a rebuilding year. Heaps would be better
of in a system where he doesn't have to look over his shoulder for mr. happy
I never understood all the rediculous talk about how Heaps should transfer, he
would still have to sit out a year if he did. It makes more sense to stick it
out, redshirt a year and come back more mature and with a better understanding
of the offense and how to be a leader.
Would like to see Heaps not redshirt, but rather continue to compete with Nelson
for the starting job.===="Kids on the hill live in this
weird alternate time-space continuum where nothing before 2004 exists in
football and nothing after 2004 exists in basketball."--SwoopTime for some fun facts.In 2005 the Utes went to the sweet
sixteen and gave the #1 pick in the NBA draft (Sophomore Andrew Bogut).Not sure why us Ute fans would consider that nothing. Consider this: last year
Jimmer (a senior) led BYU to a sweet sixteen and the #10 NBA pick. BYU fans
would consider that amazingly awesome, and for good reason. Why do you quickly
dismiss similar results?In 1994, the Ute football team went 10-2,
beat 3 top-25 teams en route to finishing in the Top 10 in the AP (10) and
coaches (8) polls. That year they provided a first round NFL pick who went onto
two pro bowls, Luther Eliss. While that may not be quite as impressive as BYU's
1996 season (#5 in both polls) it's not like it's nothing.I'm
wondering who actually lives in this alternate reality you speak of....
Does it really matter which qb makes it to the Armed Forces bowl next year, and
the next year, and . . .
I still question the coaching decision to change out Jake for Riley. In all
likelihood, Jake would be getting confidence and experience now if the coaching
staff could have remained patient for 1-2 quarters of football. They were 30
minutes of football away from getting Jake to the part of the schedule where he
could have grown. Instead, Riley gets the easy schedule and looks like the king.
I do like that Riley can run, but Jake needed confidence, and it was just around
the corner, but the coaches panicked and took it away. Just curious, how big of
school Jake played for in Washington? I had heard, which could be wrong, that
why I am asking, that Jake was from a small high school and played against small
schools while racking up all the yards that he gained.
He needs to transfer, he is a talent being mishandled by this BYU staff. Not
worth sticking around for when they run out some careless cowboy happy feet QB
who they replaced you with to beat a lousy USU team.
Chris B | 2:29 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "QBU,You byu fans fail to acknowledge the obvious:All your awards
came decades ago."===And Merlin Olsen won an award
at USU decades ago also....and won't it be cool when the Utes win
their first......ever?I personally know Naval Vet, and
he is frantically drinking his own tears over this one.I sang at his
To: Chris B | 1:19 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT - you seem to have a
very short-term memory of BYU Football. I am neutral as a fan but remember many
of the great BYU teams that have played in the past. Yes, over the past few
years BYU football has taken a back seat. Is this due to the honor code? I don't
think so. You could use a similar argument for Standford that only the top of
the SAT/ACT athletes can go to Stanford and play. This should eliminate a number
of top level athletes right off the bat. Did you see their current ranking this
last week? Second, yes, the Honor code means somthing or did you not read the
papers regarding the mess at Penn State over the past week. Whether coaches or
players, honor codes create a better environment for top players to excell. Look
to your neighbors to the north, Boise State, they recently went through some
NCAA issues and took action. Or do you just comment on teams that are not
undefeated. Your arguments are weak on the honor code issue.
@ PAC12FANThis is your first post I've agreed with. I'm glad Coug fans
are not the only ones annoyed by Chris B. I skip right over his posts without
even reading.Heaps redshirting is the right move for the team next
year.2012 = Nelson / Lark / Hill and Heaps redshirt2013 =
Heaps / Munns / Hill2014 = Heaps / Hill / Mangum redshirt2015 = Hill
/ Mangum2016 = Hill / Mangum2017 = Mangum2018 = MangumLet's focus on starting QBs who are Juniors and Seniors. Every year
when we've been very good, we've had a Jr or Sr QB (with the exception of
Detmer's Sophomore year).I don't know enough about Kuresa or Olsen
to know how they might fit in. But the future is looking bright at QB U.
He absolutely should Red Shirt-Sorry Vai
LonestarRunner,There are two Idaho quarterbacks. Tayson Hill will
be here next year. He's a transfer from Stanford who is coming off a mission.
It will be very difficult for Heaps to beat out.
It's good for the UTAH-byu rivalry. He just wasn't that good this year. It
makes the prospect of adding byu to UTAH's schedule more likely with him as QB
in 2013 and 2014. Why not add a team with a known weak link?
Do you think that Mrs. (Sister) Heaps has any say so regarding Jake's future?
Well said wookie!I want BYU to win with honor (not penn state's
version BTW). No cheating and do it with heart and class.I also
hope that Jake Heaps can take his game to the NFL. If he can't do that at BYU,
then I wish him well elsewhere. If the offense under Doman is not best for him,
I hold no grudges if he leaves.Brad Otten, Darrel Bevel, and Joe
Germaine are all LDS QB's that won a Rose Bowl in the 90's and got a cup of
coffee (decaf:) in the NFL. If you are of that caliber (as opposed to Ben Olson
and Nate Longshore, who struggled taking their game to the next level), then I
wish you the best. I hope everything works out doing what is best
Hate to tell you boys....but Jake will not be better than Taysom Hill.BYU has proven they like that kind of run-pass combo QB. Hill will be better
than Nelson. And soon.Heaps train has left the station. And I am
an insider FWIW.
Isn't it nice to have the kind of problem of worrying about a kid's playing time
rather than the kind of problems they have had at USC, Alabama, Ohio St, SMU, .
. . . . the list goes on and on.Better to worry about a highly
recruited kid getting playing time than to have to worry about half the team
(Miami) being denied eligibility for breaking rules and laws.Better
to have a basketball player sit out a while because of school rules than to have
a coaching staff and school administrators involved in a child abuse scandal.Better to develope the whole individual and learn through struggles like
those Jake has had, whatever he decides is his best course.
can anyone tell me why they acknowledge Chris B? For someone who is so clearly
full of hatred and ignorance, I am amazed at the mental control he has over some
WookieTanner Mangum (the kid from Idaho) is planning on serving a
church mission before playing football for BYU, so it'll be 2014 or 2015 before
he'll even don a BYU uniform. Good coaches adjust their games to
take advantage of varying skill sets of their players. BYU's offense was much
different when Marc Wilson was playing QB, than it was when Steve Young was
BYU's starter. Doman's offense is geared to taking advantage of Riley Nelson's
skills right now. It'll be adjusted to take advantage of Jake's and Tanner's
skills when they're starters.Besides, why would Jake even consider
taking advice from a Utah fan about what it takes to be a great QB. When was the
last time Utah produced a Heisman Trophy, Sammy Baugh, or Davey O'Brien award
Chris B | 2:29 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT QBU,You byu fans fail to acknowledge the obvious:===BYU
Joe caught the obvious...BYU Joe | 2:09 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 MISSION VIEJO, CA "What amazes me is why we don't just accept
their words from the beginning and just move into their parents basements with
them. Then we (a pack of 30 somethings) can sit around on their red naugahyde
couch, downloading songs off Napster and drinking Pacific Cooler Capri Sun while
they/he just tells us what "they knew all along.""Chris, I want to party with you sometime...
Pac12 Fan - finally a Ute with a head and heart...It really makes no
sense to go after ANY of the goofy Mormon cultural trappings at BYU (I had one
home teacher making fun of the prayer at Orientation), when most of you (U and Y
fans) are LDS! It looks even sillier from outside Utah where the real difference
between the schools' students and their families is so minute. Let's be secure
about who we ALL are - goofy culture included.BYU may have the Honor
Code and delusions of grandeur a la 1984, but Utah students live mostly with mom
for 4 years and also strive to live the Word of Wisdom, etc., which is all
pretty silly when viewed by outsiders. In other words, cut the cool talk - you
guys are just a shade less goofy than we are.
Whether he stays and redshirt or leaves and redshirts, he needs to get as much
education under his belt next year as he can.
Chris B"All your awards came decades ago."Luke
Staley won the Doak Walker Award (the nation's best running back) in 2001 Steve Sarkisian won the Sammy Baugh Trophy (the nation's best passer) in
1996Together, those two players won more national individual awards
in the space of five years, than the entire Utah football program has produced
in over a century.It's funny how 2001 and 1996 are "decades
ago" for BYU football, but 1998 is like yesterday for Utah basketball.Kids on the hill live in this weird alternate time-space continuum where
nothing before 2004 exists in football and nothing after 2004 exists in
Fender | 2:01 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011"Kinda like when your state sent
us GB."Yikes! Can't rave about GB, but my home state is
actually Hawaii. I do have a birth certificate to prove it and I do have cousins
on the team.Heaps may not beat out Tayson (sp) Hill who will be on
the team next year.
Honestly, listen to me Heaps. Transfer. Your only chance to start again at BYU
will never happen. That kid out of Idaho is a better passer and he can move
inside/outside the pocket. You need to transfer to Washington/USC/Utah or other
pro-style offenses. Doman's offense is not what you signed up for, thus it is
time to take your talents elsewhere. Any U fan who uses faith as a weapon needs
to get a life. Any Y fan who uses religion as a judgment stick needs to get a
Chris BWhat you fail to acknowledge is the present or past does not
dictate the future.Look at your Utes. No one, and I mean no one,
nowhere in the entire US would have believed that the U, in 2000, was going to
be relevant, ever. They never had been, nor were they noteworthy.Then something changed. It doesn't mater what it was, something changed, and
they went on streak that got them 2 BCS bowl wins.Then things
changed again. The thing about college football is that NOTHING
stays all that consistent. Players and coaches come and go and things change.BYU could just as easily be in the change over the next three years and
end up in a BCS game. You don't know.The only thing that is clear,
the only thing that seems constant, is your petty hatred of all things BYU and
Honor Code.Who knows what will happen in the future, you obviously
don't. I know you think you do, but for the rest of us who live in the real
world, your petty grievances with BYU are obviously behind what you say.Who knows, maybe you'll change too.
I think getting benched and humbles is the best thing that could have happened
to Jake Heaps. He came out of high school with a PR guy and a press conference
to announce that he is donning BYU with his presence. Unfortunately, players
really don't like playing hard for a guy that won't even chase down a DB that
just caught one of his rifle passes and returned it for a touchdown (Ole Miss).
Heaps needs to be one of the teammates instead of someone that has such a
high-inflated opinion of himself that he props himself above his teammates.
Heaps can rip apart a zone defense but when he plays a team good enough to hang
with man defense he struggles. Transferring to Hawaii would be a good option and
his wife might like the atmosphere!
I found this article interesting except for the very last line:In
terms of how he throws it, and the decisions he makes, I think hes an
exceptional quarterback, Mendenhall said.I think Coach M. misspoke.
Many of his throws and decisions led to Heaps' benching a few games ago. He
showed little to no touch on the long ball (overthrowing constantly) and threw
into traffic instead of throwing it away or tucking and running. Not to mention
sliding short of the first down a few times to avoid getting hit.I
hope a red-shirt year helps Jake hone his skills. He can definitely sling the
ball. But he's still very green.
When are you BYU fans going to learn that all Chris B. wants is attention? You keeping giving it to him. Stop and he will stop! It's not that
hard. I can understand if a person who is new to these boards addresses one of
his ridiculous comments. However, those of you who have been here for awhile
should be ashamed of yourselves for reading and retorting........
Red shirting would mean he would be competing against the Hill kid who will be
at BYU next season. There are no guarantees anywhere but BYU has some great QB
talent coming in over the next few years. I think his best option would be to
transfer if he is not named the starter next fall.
Chris BYour rants are getting old. Whether you like BYU or not, (I
don't) it make no sense to go after the religious card. Instead, go
after Bronco's silly shirts, Jake's press conference, 54-10, nobody wants them
in their conference, not practicing what they preach, the inspirational cheer
video, ice cream, jello, caffeine, 54-10, lack of bcs games, etc. There is enough out there without hitting the religion card. That makes you as
an individual come across poorly. You make some good points but most of it comes
across as hateful. BYU is a good school but is losing out on athletes, funding,
conferences to schools like Utah that make better fits.
QBU,You byu fans fail to acknowledge the obvious:All
your awards came decades ago.Yes - 30 years ago byu was ahead of the
game in terms of offensive schemes and could make up for lack of
athletes(diversity)In the last 30 years coaching has come along way
and byu is no longer ahead of the game. Clearly.Just
look at bronco.Again - Yes, your program used to be good.Your advantage is gone in terms of new offensive schemes.
As I've written many times--the best thing Jake can do is redshirt. Tranferring
won't make him one bit older, one bit more mature, one bit more experienced or
one bit more able to deal with the pressure. In addition, he'd lose a year
anyway. So redshirting at BYU is his best option. He needs to be a little
patient and go forward with his life on that basis. We all need to learn
patience and take some time to grow. This might be the best thing that could
happen to him for his personal development and growth. Riley has
earned the right to be the quarterback at BYU for now and that's what's best for
the team. Jake just needs to wait his turn and everything will turn out for the
best in the end.
Jake will be a great QB in college, but just needs some time to mature.
Personally, I'm not sure Riley Nelson is the answer. Yes, his
running/scrambling/playmaking ability is far superior to Jake's. But if you
watch film of the past few games, the guy just flat out throws ducks. I can't
remember more than 1-2 quality throws during the past 2 games, honestly. And
that is a serious liability in a BYU offense. Problem is, it
doesn't matter who starts the last 3 games. We won't learn anything about this
BYU team the rest of the year. My hope is that Heaps takes his
time, waits till his deadline, and if Riley is the clear starter he should
redshirt next year. Then he has another year to develop followed by 2 years as
the heir apparent. And after that we'll be seeing Tanner Mangum take over.
That would really work out nicely for a 5-year timeline.
Dear Chris B being a Bishop is great because of what you can accomplish and gets
you solidly on the path to the Celestial Kingdom. Being a QB does nothing to
get you to the Celestial Kingdom. That should be the goal of every human being,
returning to our Father in Heaven. I don't think I have ever come across a
person as negative as nasty commenting as you. I truly feel sorry for you.
The real issue here is what school will he be attending while he redshirts next
So Chris B, if you are LDS, you have "For the Strength of Youth" and
the Word of Wisdom. What's the difference between your living those and the BYU
players living the honor code? Since when do we have to separate integrity and
morals from sports?I don't understand the hatred of the Honor Code.
I ask the DNews editors to be consistent about application of the blogging
rules. Seems Chris can say what he wants but we can't rebut. Either that or make
bloggers use their real e-mail addresses.
Jake should play on the rugby team during his red-shirt year, learn how to take
hits, and come back ready to play real football as a junior and senior. He has
great potential but needs to learn that it's okay to run for a first down once
in awhile. It's also necessary to stay in the pocket long enough for a receiver
to get open, which sometimes means the QB taking a hit.
I enjoy people that "having been saying things all along." It is so
kind of them to give us their thoughts and then remind us of how smart they were
and continue to be. I am amazed at their fonts of wisdom and find it nearly
unbelievable that they have decided to grace us with their perceptions rather
than actually do something in life.So they pass on real jobs and
trips to Hogles Zoo and sit in their parents basement writing their tidbits of
thoughts so the rest of us can be enlightened and edified. I for
one am glad they have opted to remain out of the main stream of society passing
on things like dating or monster truck rallies so they can think thoughts that
later allow them to say "as I've said all along."What
amazes me is why we don't just accept their words from the beginning and just
move into their parents basements with them. Then we (a pack of 30 somethings)
can sit around on their red naugahyde couch, downloading songs off Napster and
drinking Pacific Cooler Capri Sun while they/he just tells us what "they
knew all along." Thanks.
I think it's a good idea. He can still win the starting spot for two years
after Riley graduates, and Lark and/or Munns can have a shot as well.
I was glad to at least read some direct quotes from Coach acklowledging the
distinct possibility of red shirting. However, I will definitely believe it when
I see it. Jake's been "groomed" his entire life to be The Guy on the
team. I just don't see him agreeing to wait. Obviously, time will tell. Also,
even though Doman recruited Jake, he did that as the QB Coach, not OC. I don't
see Jake fitting Doman's offense. I see Riley filling that role, a similar role
that Doman played the 2 years he started.
worfKinda like when your state sent us GB.
@chrisB You sound incredibly bitter. I'm guessing your last Bishops
interview didn't go so well.....
What a bogus statement that most fans and columnists are suggesting transfer
options are the best for Heaps. Not even true...well rivals fans and red loving
columnists are but definitely not BYU fans!
Chris BYour ridiculous comment needs to be put to restLet me
do the honorsBYU has: 1 Heisman trophy winner1 Doak
Walker award winner4 Davey O'Brien award winners (more than ANY other
school)2 Outland trophy winners1 Sammy Baugh tropy winner5 CFB
Hall of Fame playersAnd yes, in addition to those many ATHLETIC awards,
BYU has produced countless bishops and sunday school teachers, and we are proud
of it. Props to the kids who work hard on athletic skills, but ask any sane
person and they will tell you more props go to the well rounded kid, the one who
works hard on his athletic skills and who also has morals and goals in life - NO
MATTER WHAT SCHOOL!!!
Chris B | 1:19 p.m. Nov. 9, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Heaps is
learning what I've said all along.===ChrisB, I think we
could all agree that no one has ever learned anything from any of your posts.Everyone is probably just a tiny bit dumber after reading your
Well if he wouldn't have gone and got married this summer he could have gone on
a mission after the semester was over, come back in two years more mature, and
save his redshirt in case of any injury!
I had dinner with Vai, and Kyle Whittingham last night. They are both like
brothers to me. When they both got married, I gave away the brides at both
weddings. I the officiated at the weddings, cut the cakes, and threw the
bouquets. I also sang the Debbie Boone Hit "you Light Up My Life",
which brought them both to tears. We often text, tweet, and wave at each other.
Other times we just walk past each other like we have never met before.I will bring this up as an alternative to them next time we see each other in
the temple, or on a plane flying to exotic places, and see which way they would
counsel Jake to go.I think the decision is ultimately up to Vai,
Kyle, and of course, Big Hapa.
Chris B,You can't win with honor and character? What shallow
thinking. No wonder Penn State, SMU, and USC have done so well. Choose ye this
day, whom you will serve. It's evident that you despise the honor code and BYU,
and we get it. Adios.
Weber State Graduate:"I would really like to see what the kid
can do in with pass patterns that make up about 65% to 80% of the offensive
scheme."At this time, that would be Houston. MAYBE Hawai'i.
If BO wins the election next year, football may be the least of our concerns.
First of all we need to call Jake's P.R. guy. I don't think this was in the
cards.Second of all, we need to have a press conference. Probably should
be held at a comedy club since we're all laughing at this point.
Heaps is learning what I've said all along.He can't win if he's
playing with great sunday school teachers instead of great athletes.He knew full well coming to byu he would not be surrounded by athletes.Why byu fans(and players)talk about national championship hopes or BCS
games ever as a possibilitly is beyond me.You dont have athletes.You have the honor code instead.Heaps - you chose byu. Now
you get to deal with it.This kid could have been playing with
athletes that are going to the NFL at a handful of colleges he had offers
from.Instead he chose to play with guys what will be bishops one
I don't think Jake fits well within the new Doman offense. He is a pure
drop-back passer with minimal evasive skills. Jake would thrive in the old BYU
offensive schemes, but since that's a thing of the past, he would do much better
if he transferred to a school with a more aggressive passing attack. I would really like to see what the kid can do in with pass patterns that make
up about 65% to 80% of the offensive scheme...not gonna happen at BYU.
I knew that this was nonsense when I read Bronco say that Jake was
"excited" about the possibility of redshirting. Please....be real.
I hope he stays at BYU because I'd like for the Utes to beat him another 2
times, assuming he starts for 2 years.Wynn 2 Hypes 0
With all due respect to Vai and his column suggesting Heaps transfer to Utah,
well thats simply nonsense. In fact, the best thing Heaps could do is redshirt.
Heaps reminds me a lot of Jay cutler, big arm, lots of potential,
but still needs some maturity. I have not been a fan to this point,
but I do see a lot of potential still there. Get in the weight room, and get
serious about the game. Theres a lot more to D1 football than simply being able
to throw a football.I wish the kid best of luck...
I think Heaps will stay and will be a very, very good QB at BYU. I look forward
to seeing him play well in the next few years. I love being able to see the
games on KBYUtv. I also love Coach Bronco. Go Cougars!
hmmm... I still think Jake will transfer first then red shirt.