I'm not sure about de-throning Gonzaga since I am unsure how good this
basketball team will be sans Jimmer. I'm thinking they will split with them. The WCC has had a few years of getting multiple (two) bids to the NCAA
tourney, but those have not been the rule. Adding BYU will increase the chances
that it will continue to happen. St. Mary's, with 25 wins last year, got left
out when Gonzaga beat them. I don't think BYU needs 25 to get an at-large bid,
but they will likely need at least 22-23. Looking at their schedule, that may be
a tall task (Utah State, Oregon, Baylor, Gonzaga x 2, St. Marys x 2, Virginia
Tech). My prediction: 20-10 (+ 1-1 in the WCC tourney), NIT bid. But without
Jimmer, there are still too many unknowns.I hope they do well,
except against the Utes.Good luck, Cougars.
We realize that our Utes aren't very good this year and will be lucky to win
10-12 games. With that said, if BYU loses to Utah, BYU will never hear the end
of it. BYU may have a better now but there are some very good athletes on the
Utah squad. As the team learns to play together and play good defense, who knows
what could happen. A loss would be devastating. I'll be there to watch it.
They've got good size this year, but so far the point has looked really shaky. I
think they're going to have a rough start to the season this year (there's just
no way they're going into Utah State and stealing a win unless someone steps up
and plays out of their mind). When Carlino comes on in December I think they'll
improve significantly. He was easily BYU's best looking point guard in the
blue/white game of the Cougar tipoff. They're not going to get 30 wins this
year, but I expect them to be competing for that top position in the conference
with Gonzaga and St Mary's.
@wyoming cougar"And, how any ute fan can come on here talking bball
trash talk after getting beat at home by adams state is ridiculous. "It is rather mind-boggling, then again BYU fans mock Utah in football
so... seems par for the course. "I'm pretty sure that san fran,
st. mary's and most other WCC schools could handle the utes pretty easily this
year."I want to see a Utah mens' basketball game where the Utah
team wins... but unless we schedule an exhibition against the Utah womens'
BYU will dethrone Gonzaga, like Adams St continued to do what we've come to
expect to happen to Utah.The End.
patriot:In the 1998 tournament Utah beat San Francisco from the WCC.
From all the chest thumping Ute fans do about their national championship game,
it's hard to believe that's something you don't know. Also Utah also played a
handful of games against the WCC teams last year, so please for everyone's
sanity cut out the hyperbole and quit pretending you don't know what the WCC is.
The real question is what conference is Adams State in.
patriot"So my point was winning a conference championship in a
conference made up of San Francisco, St Mary's, etc.... is a joke. At least in
the Mt West you had BYU, Utah, New Mexico"BYU, Gonzaga and
Saint Marys are at least as strong as BYU, New Mexico, and San Diego State
(don't forget, SDSU had never won an NCAA tournament game until this past
season. I hope you were joking about including Utah in the mix of
strong MWC teams. Utah lost to two WCC bottom dwellers last season.You're obviously clueless when in comes to equating size of arena to quality
of basketball program. Cameron Indoor Arena seats less than 10,000.
I think byu needs to worry about competing in the top tier of the WCC before
they can look at dethroning Gonzaga. BYU is pretty young and weak this year. I
think the dnews is getting ahead of themselves. The WCC will be a tough row for
BYU as it has proven in recent years to be a competetive conference.
maybe, maybe we can split with gonzaga
seriously patriot- how can you even lump utah in with BYU, unm, sdsu, etc just
because they've hosted the ncaa tournament recently. Their 15000+ seat arena
hasn't seen over 5000 for how long now (except for the BYU games anyway). And, how any ute fan can come on here talking bball trash talk after
getting beat at home by adams state is ridiculous. I wonder what conference
they're in? btw- I'm pretty sure that san fran, st. mary's and most
other WCC schools could handle the utes pretty easily this year.
Also, as a fan of college bball, I've known very well who the WCC was as I've
watched and kept up with Gonzaga. Just like Butler is in the Horizon league.
Most true fans of the game, (and not just BYU haters), know a few things about
other leagues and teams- unfortunately many of the ute fans are so fixated on
BYU that they probably don't know who the Big East or ACC even is.
How did utah do against Adams State? Anyone?
patriot.Who cares how many people sit in those arenas. I have heard it
before from cry baby BYU fans that the WCC plays in small gyms. The bottom line
is if you don't win to does not matter how big the arena is. Look at the ACC.
Some of those schools including Duke play in a small gym.
re:Just the FAXnot talking about just one team in the WCC - talking
about the WCC itself. I know the Pac 12, the Big 12, the Big East, etc... heck
most even know the Mountain West but the WCC?? I had never even heard of the
conference before and I'm certain - if you're honest about it - neither had you.
So my point was winning a conference championship in a conference made up of San
Francisco, St Mary's, etc.... is a joke. At least in the Mt West you had BYU,
Utah, New Mexico and others that had arena's that held 15000+ and hosted the
NCAA tournament many times and multiple teams in the top 20 over the years.
LonestarRunner,With BYU being ranked 47th in the preseason
tournament and most experts attributing that ranking in part to a weaker
conference, there is ample evidence they have an uphill battle. If BYU loses one
or both regular season games to Gonzaga, I believe they will have to win the
conference tournament to get into the Big Dance.
TJ,But the question is can they beat Gonzaga and represent the WCC
in the Big Dance? 25 wins won't do it, unless they win the conference tourney.
And so it starts with basketball. A series of DNews articles had the faithful
believing that Jake Heaps would win the Heisman, and the Band of Brothers would
be playing in the National Championship game after an undefeated season. Now
they're spinning up the basketball team to be best-ever.
By the time Dave Rose solidifies his talent, BYU will definitely be capable of
Patriot,You may be right. If a CBB fan asks what the WCC is, all you
have to say is that it's the bball conference Gonzaga and BYU belong to. Since
any CBB fan is very familiar with those two schools--especially after last
year--they would most likely say "must be a pretty good conference
patriot"How many college sports fans across America even know
what or where the WCC is.. or for that matter even care?"How
many college sports fans across America even know what conference Butler plays
in... or for that matter even care?Most fans couldn't care less
which conference a basketball team plays in, if the team is successful. EVERY knowledgeable basketball fan knows about Gonzaga because of their
NCAA tournament success over the last decade. EVERY knowledgeable
basketball fan knows about BYU because of Jimmermania. Jimmer is gone, but fans
will be watching to see how BYU does without him.Bottom line: BYU
will be competing for the WCC championship this season. Utah will be trying to
stay out of the PAC 12 basement. Two programs heading in opposite directions
since 2005.Queue the ancient Utah basketball history lesson...but remember,only 16 teams made it to the Sweet Sixteen last
seasononly one team had the concensus national player of the year
BYU will have to have better guard play but they could come together and be very
good this year. They have the front court to play with anyone. Carlino could be
the piece that moves them from good to very good. I predict 25+ wins this year.
Patriot:How did Utah do against the WCC last year?
NO...they barely beat dixie
Mormon Ute"the bigger challenge will be getting into the NCAA
tournament, if they don't beat Gonzaga."You have no proof that
being in the WCC will make it any more difficult for BYU to get into the NCAA
tournament. By your own admission, BYU leaving the MWC, weakened the MWC, which
conversely means BYU joining the WCC, strengthened the WCC. Saint Mary's was a
bubble team last season and the WCC has already had years getting more than one
team into the Big Dance. Dave Rose and BYU have already established their
credentials with the NCAA, so BYU joining the WCC likely makes the WCC a
perennial two- or three-bid league.As we've seen many times, RPI is
only one factor the NCAA selection committee considers. Past success in the
tournament, especially recently, is probably more important.
WCC championship? How many college sports fans across America even know what or
where the WCC is.. or for that matter even care? So go for it BYU - become the
new big fish in the no-name conference.
Just because the WCC has one team with more of a winning tradition than any
other in the MWC doesn't raise the entire conference strength higher than the
MWC. In fact, losing TCU and Boise State would increase the MWC basketball
strength, if not for the fact that BYU left too.Sure, getting past
Gonzaga in the regular season and the conference tournament is going to be a
challenge for the Cougars, but the bigger challenge will be getting into the
NCAA tournament, if they don't beat Gonzaga.
@ Johnson72:Not a ballhog when he is considered one of the 25 best
players in college ball history, according the the ranking on ESPN.com
@clarkhippo"Ute fans know after the bowl is game is played, the only
thing they have to look forward to is spring football. "We set
a nationwide college high school gymnastics attendance record last year.
Who am I Sir:The Cougars are practicing in front of 5240 fans so
that they can feel at home in the HC this year.
@Johnson72I'm a little confused by your comments. You said BYU
joined the WCC only because Jimmer isn't on the team anymore. But then you imply
that Jimmer (I assume that's who you're describing) was a ball hog and that BYU
might actually, "...play as a team this year."Does this
mean after BYU's current crop of seniors graduate, they'll move to the Summit
League? (SUU's conference) It looks as though the Ute football team
might actually make it to a bowl this year, and Ute fans know after the bowl is
game is played, the only thing they have to look forward to is spring football.
I can't say but the Y is doing everything it can to prepare for the season. For
instance: Practicing in a high school gym in front of 5240 screeming fans.Good lunck, Cougars. Win the WCC. Read about the UNLV, New Mexico, San
Diego State games and remember this is a part of the price for independence.
Chris B is too embarrassed to talk about the Run Down Utes on a basketball
article, because she knows that the Utes couldn't even beat WCC bottom dweller
San Diego.WCC bottom-dweller > PAC 12 bottom-dweller
Jenny Craig Arena
"Does Utah even still have a men's bball team? "No, in
upholding the standards of the Geneva Conventions against torture we have folded
our men's basketball program.
Probably not. Without Jimmer they aren't going to be nearly as good as last
year. That doesn't mean they'll be awful though. I can see them competing with
St. Mary's for second in the conference.
I guess we will see. Until then, it's all speculation and means nothing.Oh, and the WCC, outside the top 3 - 4 teams is a step down.
Does Utah even still have a men's bball team? I couldn't find any headlines for
men's basketball on the DNews at all, just womens. Is that what it's come down
to on the hill? The major sporting attractions will now be football, gymnastics
and women's basketball?
Oh and byu might play as a team this year instead of one playing as a ballhog.
Can BYU dethrone Gonzaga, is the question? The answer is an emphatic no. Take
a look at their (Gonzaga's) roster and notice the big people on it. And they
are used to playing in high school size gyms. Couple that with the Y's
notoriously poor road record over the years versus decent, and even lesser
talented teams. They (BYU) doesn't win those games. Remember, this is the post
"Jimmer" season. They (BYU)doesn't have experience in the backcourt,
and they don't have big enough people up front to guard the opposition in the
paint. They need more meat and more overall speed, and better shooters. After
saying that, I am ready to see what happens. I am tired of collegiate football
at this point. I'm ready for round ball.
Too many people live in the past. Sometimes you have to because of the
disappointments of the current season. So far this year, it is pretty tough to
brag about Utah, Utah State or BYU basketball after last week's exhibition
games. But all three teams will get better.Utah State appears to
have the best chance to win a conference championship with BYU having a shot
also. Utah is most likely a year or two away from contending in the PAC.On topic for this article, the WCC appears to be a stronger basketball
conference than the PAC, MWC or the WAC. BYU, Gozaga, and St Mary's all lost
key players but return strong teams. Should be a fun year for BYU with three
teams going after each other as well as playing the new teams in the new
conference. BYU is basically trading SDS and NM for difficult games with
Gonzaga and St Mary's.
Rememeber byu does not have the the Jimmie this year... What they going to do
now? Oh yeah they joined the WCC.
While it may not be the PAC 12, I'm excited to follow the BYU men's basketball
teams this season as they play in the WCC. I'm especially excited to listen to
or watch their games against St. Mary's and Gonzaga.Both schools,
especially the Zags, will be high quality opponents.This is going to
be fun! GO COUGS!
Oh sissy BHow are those bball utesies going to do this year? LOLNational championship.Heisman trophy winner. Super bowl
QB's, etc. etc. Wow two BS wins in your whole storied history. A BS mvp who
couldn't even play in the UFL. Congrats.
I expect the Cougars to struggle early as they get their guard play figured out,
but we'll see significant improvement once Carlino gets into action and Zylsta
moves over to his natural position at the 2 spot.Tough early
match-ups will be Utah State, Wisconsin, Oregon and Baylor (with only Baylor in
the friendly confines of the Marriott center).In conference play,
I'm expecting the Cougs to split with the Zags and St Mary's with each team
winning at home. WCC Championship Game will be the Cougs vs the Zags. Cougs
will surprise a lot of people by winning the WCC in their first year, knocking
off the Zags.Cougs line-up seems to be solidifying. Once conference
play starts you'll see:5: Davies, Collinsworth4: Hartsock,
Rogers, Sharp3: Abouo, Rogers2: Zylstra, Harrison1:
Carlino, Zylstra@Chris B - Congrats on your Utes staying so close to
Div 2 Adams State. Although you didn't win, it must make you very proud to know
you can hang in there with a team like that on your home floor. Good luck
against San Diego Christian College. They may be your last chance for a W this
Not just No but...heck NO!
Chris B:Why would you be talking about football on an article
talking about BYU dethroning the Zags in bball? Oh, I know! Because the Utes
can't dethrone Adams State.Can the cougs dethrone the zags? As of
now: no. But Dave Rose will have this group in position to come WCC tournament
time. go cougs!
I believe we will see a lot of split wins and loses. The Gonzaga
"Kennel" atmosphere is something beyond anything BYU Coaches and
athletes have ever experienced before. It is way beyond the Utah Crowd up North
or Wyoming in the winter, or UNLV in Vegas. Believe me, it will take some
getting used to! West Coast Officiating is another experience at the Kennel
Club. It will be a challenge,it will be interesting to say the least. Goooo
ute alumni,why didn't you say right after Utah's goes to a bcs bowl
or right after Utah wins a bcs bowl or right after Utah earns a bcs invite?LOL. We did those things.LOL.
join the Big East along with Boise. PLEASE
sissy bright after utah's rose bowl win
Until football season is over, I don't care. Whoops, oh yeah it already is.
Right after the big 12 callsOr right after you go to a bcs game
BYU probably won't dethrone the Zags this year, however, they are going to
provide Gonzaga another tough opponent.With BYU in the league, the
WCC won't be nearly as easy a pushover for the Zags as it has been, at some
times, in the past.
If we play defense like we did against Dixie, dethroning Gonzaga, or even
beating St. Marys, won't happen. Nothing against Dixie, as I was impressed with
their style of play. But that game should not have been as close as it was. Of
course, it is early in the season. Go Cougs!!!!
I don't agree with Nutz from Smithfield (he's probably a Cougar hating Aggie)
but we'll definately have to play a lot better from January thru March than we
did last week to win the WCC. We have to shoot better from the outside and
play a LOT better defense.