DABC commission chairman: 'Everybody knew except the commission' about problems uncovered in audit

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  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 12:09 p.m.


    Prostitution is available in Utah. Although I'm not advocating legal prostitution I must say....making it against the law has never stoped "the oldest profession". It's ridiculous to even compare the two.

    I've also lived in states where the are liquor stores or bars on many corners. Although there was some public drunkeness to be seen; it was no more than what can be seen at times in Utah so that is a non-argument. The U.S. had prohibition....remember! It failed miserably! If a state wants to prohibit it completely....then the illegal element will take over. You know why? It's because there is a market for it. The market doesn't just go away because it's illegal. The only thing these silly liquor restrictions in Utah do is NOTHING, so why have them? Do you really believe they have an impact? I can get liquor just as easily as I could in the state I came from. The only difference is....my access is limited to a few places rather than there being many. Silly restrictions and limiting licenses will not slow the flow. I actually could care less either way because the silliness has no impact!

  • jdub Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:40 a.m.


    I seriously doubt that the teens in Japan don't drink because it is prohibited. It is prohibited here as well. I lived in Brazil, where there aren't any alcohol prohibitions and just about everyone drank to a certain extent, but cheap booze flowed freely and we had drunks falling over all over the place.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    If they EVER do a COMPREHENSIVE outside audit of UTA - the DABC will look like "small potatoes" comparatively.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:41 a.m.

    Government selling alcohol makes taxpayers part of the business. Never a good thing for government to do a business when Private Enterprise shoud be running it.

  • MyChildrensKeeper Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 5:24 a.m.

    If this is what the commission uncovered in such a small satellite commission, can you imagine the billions being wasted in larger commission using the same laws and regulations to run the BOE, UDOT, TRAX, DWFS, DCFS, etc? We are talking billions or trillion dollar waste and mismanagement in this state and no accountability for it.

    Is Utah so rich we can turn our heads on mismanagement and waste forever? Will we keep our eyes shut and ears plugged so we don't have to hear how easily we have been fooled by people we are supposed to trust?

    TRAX is now admitting its errors and life endangering cost cutting fraud, so how blind are we going to stay? Our education departments have also been exposed to similar fraud, waste, and abuse and we remain silent. When is accountability going to be established in these commissions? Lack of accountability is destroying our government and departments.

  • hump100 West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 11:06 p.m.


    If YOUR theory was correct about availability you would see many more people smoking in this state. Cigs are available at all gas stations on any day at any time. Not too hard to get at all if you are 19.

  • Stenar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    How on earth did the commission not figure this out a LONG time ago? Isn't it there job to oversee things like that?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    John 20K,
    I moved to Utah because I had to. I would prefer it were like 'most other states'. That way I wouldn't have to import so much. Of course, I wouldn't make as much money in the transportation business, I guess.
    It's not about availability. With the noose around most folks in utah, this place should be able to withstand the most liberal liquor laws in the nation. After all, if most folks are forbidden, they won't. Will they? Or does that not work?
    Anyway, I've also lived where laws were more liberal. In japan, if there isn't a vending machine on the train platform, there's a small store called "Kiosk" that never closes. Has beer and liquor. Prohibition for teens is still the law there, too, so they don't drink.
    Whatever problems that are going to exist in Utah from alcohol already do. Availability isn't an issue if you know how to work the system, so let's stop with the stupid pretending.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 4:54 p.m.


    I moved to Utah because it wasn't like "most other states". I would prefer to keep it that way.

    I think you are wrong about availability not even being part of the issue. I lived in a country where prostitution was very available and (not surprisingly) infidelity was high. I have lived in places where there were liquor stores every other block and public drunkenness was high. Availability is part of the issue.

    You are correct about education, but teens are usually more concerned with their peer groups and are still developing their mental capacities. Let's keep drugs and liquor out of their hands as best we can. Prohibition for teens is still the law.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Someone help me here. Isn't the commission's job to oversee the DABC? How could management have kept the commission in the dark for so long? Seems like if they're going to clean up this mess they ought to give everyone the boot and start with a clean slate.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    Perhaps if the LDS church wants to continue to exercise its power and influence over the State legislatures to keep the sale of alcohol under control, the least the church could do is to loan out its auditors to this commission! If the voters had any idea as to the cost of these audits perhaps they would change their mind about have the State controls in place. Its one thing to vote according to someones religious beliefs in an attempt to control the sale of alcohol; its another thing when that power block ends up costing every resident in the State of Utah for these audits.

  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    Whether it's privatized or not....there can be and always will be control by the state to one extent or another. Privatizing doesn't mean that the state loses all control. Nobody is talking "NO restrictions" with alcohol or no age limit! Since when has complete prohibition or limited access prevented anything? Most people who drink.....drink responsibly. However, there will always be those who don't and no amount of restrictions will stop them from ruining their lives as well as the lives of others. It's unfortunate, but that's life! You can't walk around following all the alcohol abusers watching their every move afterall. Many teenagers often experiment with alcohol despite warnings and education, but eventually they either grow up and be responsible.....or they go on being irresponsible and destructive. Don't blame the availability of alcohol...put the blame squarely on whose responsible....the person. Try treatment, more education, or stiff penalties because prohibition or illogical restrictions will have very little impact. Afterall...if people want alcohol bad enough.....they can make it themselves!

    This audit suggests that perhaps the state should get out of the liquor business and just establish the restrictions....kind of like MOST other states.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:52 p.m.

    Well this is just what the leaders of this state want is dummies in these commisions so they will not catch on to what is happening. Experienced people ought to be chosen for these commisions so they can do a good job. All audits ought to be sent to the commission to know what is going on. Of course if we want to privatize then they will listen on to the special interests just like or congressmen do. It is easier to have no restrictions of alcohol use and everybody in the family can use it and destroy their self control and abuse their spouses and children every days and smile about it.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:32 p.m.

    If it's been mismanaged for that long it just needs to be done away with. Privatize the liquor industry in Utah, the government does not need to be involved with alcohol sales.