Red roundup: Pac-12 may add $$ to scholarships

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  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 1:29 p.m.


    Any athletic director worth his salt and salary will have a list of wanted facilities in his hip pocket, Chris Hill included. I have seen Chris' wish list. There is nothing on it that is earth shattering. But his list is reasonable. All of the the PAC 12 schools have their own wish lists. Until five years ago USC had no b-ball arena of their own. UCLA built Paulley in 1964 and it seats 10,000. They are now renovating Paulley. Washington has a dated football stadium with a track so does Cal. They are both renovating to get an up to date stadium like RES. Arizona's football stadium is bigger but not nearly as nice as RES. All you need to do is read what the recruits say about Utah facilities as I do with my membership on Rivals and they all have high praise for Utah and its athletic facilities. So do members of the media throughout the PAC 12. It does appear that some schools are playing catch up to Utah and that is no LOL. Seriously, where in BYU's b-ball practice facility?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Uh Dutchman, you probably need to tell Chris Hill all of that because for some reason he does not agree with you. I'm guessing he might know a thing or two but maybe you have some insider knowledge he lacks? As far as claiming that the other pac10 schools are trying to catch up with utah is concerned....well....I don't usually use this for you because I like you, but, LOL!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 7, 2011 10:31 a.m.


    You missed the point, again. RES is ranked as one of the best stadiums in the PAC 12. It does not need renovation right now. The Huntsman Center is a remarkable facility. It does not need renovation right now. The athletic facilities like the football center and basketball training center are being built with money the U has now. As the monetary benefits of PAC 12 membership flow in then RES and the Huntsman Center can be upgraded as needed. Right now both are in great shape. The projects that PAC 12 schools are constructing right now are to bring them up to where Utah already stands. Washington and Cal are renovating football stadiums to bring them up to where RES already is although RES is smaller. USC, Oregon and UCLA have or are renovating b-ball facilities to match what Utah already has with the Huntsman Center. It seems that some of those schools are playing catch up with the U not the other way around. The U does need some additional facilities but basically the U is right there with the rest of the PAC.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 1:21 p.m.


    I'm pretty sure the U is financially responsible enough to know what investments they are making when they upgrade their entire campus. Being a senior up here, i know and get to enjoy first-hand where my tuition money goes. If you don't think that these major renovations to the campus will draw in a ton of future potential students, then you have no idea what you are talking about.

    More students= More Money received from tuition =More money to spend Athletic Facilities, Campus Renovations, Additional $2000 for student athletes, Etc.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 11:17 a.m.


    Still, Utah is in a better position to handle this than they were a year ago.

    The facilities will be built, and the kids will get the scholie $$$.

    So what's your point?

    Just because a story has a U in it does not automatically "doom" the U.

    BYU and Utah are in immensely better positions this year than last year. Why can't we be pleased?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 5, 2011 10:23 a.m.


    Sorry but you are just wrong and you confirm it in your post. That stadium expansion you are talking about? It costs money. That football facility? It costs money. That basketball facility? It costs money. The huntsman center is badly in need of an overhaul. That costs money.

    You went ahead and identified a bunch of capital projects the university of utah is either undertaking or needs to undertake and where do you think the money is supposed to come from? That's right, increased revenue from the u's new conference tv payouts. Now if you take several million dollars of that money away every year to apply it to increase scholarship costs that means you have less of it to apply to the capital improvements.

    But even once those improvements have been made the increased cost of the scholarships continues and it will affect other future needs. utah is already the poorest athletic department in the pac12. It will remain so even when they get full shares of tv money. It is behind and will fall further behind over the next 3 years then remain behind forever after.

    It is just the way it is.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    MC Ute- I agree, but there plenty of programs in place for struggling scholarship athletes. The very least of which, if they are so poor they can apply and get a pell grant and never have to pay any money back! Stipends are availiable as well as other scholarships that can be applied for.

    Trust me the issue is not "helping these poor players out". It is much bigger. It is an effort to get the door open just a crack, so eventually money will talk to perspective players. This idea is based on greed and bigger schools looking for an advantage in recruitment enticement. Utah is not a big school, the last thing the utes want to do is get into the PAC 12 and then fight bidding wars. You won't win against USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, not even to mention teams outside of the conference.

    Don't be naieve.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 4, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    November and the Utes have won ONE conference game, yet we have one fan who is so BYU obsessed that the only thing he can think of is a fluke win that happened way back at the beginning of the season.

    What's the point of being in a big boy conference if you're going to spend all of your time obsessing about a team that doesn't even figure into the PAC 12 race?

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter | 3:33 p.m. Nov. 4, 2011
    Highland, UT

    Here's a positive for you. 54-10, your boys quit, and you threw a tantrum.


  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 4:27 p.m.


    Utah is not that far behind the rest of the PAC 12 in facilities. I don't know where you get that idea from. Chris Hill I suppose. But Chris is just trying to build up donor support. RES was just rated the # 1 stadium in the PAC 12 by the Arizona Republic even though it is one of the smallest. When it is expanded RES will be even more state of the art and head and shoulders above LaVelle Edwards stadium. The Huntsman Center is a terrific arena and is the largest in the PAC 12. The football center that will be under construction shortly will be one of the best as you have pointed out in a previous post. A basketball training facility is in the works for both men and women. Does BYU have a basketball training facility? Where is it located? Again, construction cranes dot the U campus. I didn't see any at BYU on Wednesday and what is being built at the U for academic purposes isn't for lack of infrasturcture.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 3:33 p.m.

    @nosaerwhatever and Dutchman

    BYU can afford it, it doesn't worry me. BYU has very little need for infrastructure upgrades. utah on the otherhand has major upgrades they need to undertake and those are going to take alot of money. How many scholarship athletes does an average D1 school have? I don't know for sure but I would guess a few hundred. Multiply that out by $2000 per year and it is millions more in cost to the athletic budget.

    Most of the schools in utah's new conference do not need to make the capital improvements utah does so this would just set utah further behind them, and further behind BYU.

    There is no way for any of you to spin this as a positive but you can try I suppose.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Chris B

    Sorry to break it to you chrissy, but you're not a member of the BCS, you're nothing but an interested bystander.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 1:51 p.m.


    And you don't believe BYU will have to match this in order to "keep up with the Jones"? With all the new construction going on at the U, mostly academic buildings but also including the new football center and softball field, isn't your construction company busy working on or submitting bids on all the new work? I for one am happy that the U has so much work for you to do. I drove around and through the BYU campus on Wednesday and there was not one construction crane in sight. Has BYU stopped growing?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 4, 2011 12:39 p.m.


  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 11:56 a.m.


    "Well there goes all the money for the new facilities and other athletic department upgrades."

    And there goes a little more reason any top recruit might have for picking a mid-major over a Pac12 program.

    Something tells me we'll be able to afford it.

  • MC Ute Midvale, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 11:31 a.m.


    That sounds great however having had an Athlete on Scholarship, there are also rules in place regarding how much money an athlete can earn. At the time he could not earn more than his Scholarship was worth. Many of the non-revenue sports do not even pay full scholarships and they do not receive money for additional expenses. Not everything is Black and White. I agree there are many who take advantage, there always has been there always will be. Not everything was clean before the BCS, it is very well know that Lou Alcinder aka Kareem Abdule Jabar was "Well paid" for his time at UCLA. I believe if they do increase the money, then the penalties for violations must be increased.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    A big time no on paying students more. They can get a job during the summer and ear $2000.

    This will open the door up for larger sums to be paid to student-athletes, blur the lines of recruiting and perks and give a huge advantage to the schools that have vs. the schools that don't.

    In light of the scandals at Ohio St., Auburn, Oregon, USC...paying students is not the solution. It is a veiled attempt to circumvent paying players perks to come play for a particlular school.

    Things like this sour college football for me. The BCS has ruined a ton already. At some point we need to value education again over sports.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Why not? We have plenty.

    I love my BCS membership!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    "Moos told the newspaper he thinks the Pac-12 will approve it to avoid being in a position of recruiting disadvantage. There's also a "genuine feeling among the group that it's good legislation.""

    "The athletes asked that other points be addressed -- such as allowing injured athletes to retain their scholarships and receive sports-related medical expenses -- which seem like common sense, and also requested that the cost-of-attendance figure currently being debated be pushed from $2,000 per athlete to $3,200. Considering that an independent study found that a full scholarship leaves athletes short $2,951 annually, that doesn't seem too crazy, either." ESPN

    So the PAC and other schools want to do this -- so they remain competitive in recruiting, not because the athletes deserve this (they do) and not because their is TONS of money (there is).

    "According to USA Today, of the 68 coaches in the 2011 NCAA tournament, 31 made more than $1 million in salary, and 58 of the 120 FBS football coaches topped the seven-figure mark." ESPN

    Yet athletes can't be given money to fly home for their mother's funeral.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 4, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    Well there goes all the money for the new facilities and other athletic department upgrades.