Blue roundup: BYU to Big East talk heats up

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  • CoachWinWA POULSBO, WA
    Nov. 1, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    I hate to say this, but it makes sense for BYU to join the BIG East in football only. It allows continued affiliation with WCC for non-football sports, gets BYU the BCS tie in... Provides re-connection with old foes like Air Force...

    And I think the affiliation with the BIG East gets BYU's Basketball some great games.

    It also gets better exposure than the BIG12 would get. Playing games on the East Coast is better than playing in Oklahoma and Kansas. Just sayin...

    Oct. 30, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Travel wouldn't be that much of a factor in the decision because as an independent, BYU is going to be traveling all over the country anyway.

    I like BYU to the Big East in football only, assuming BSU and Air Force are also going, as part of a western division. I like it more than BYU going to the Big 12 in all sports. Though, while Louisville as the 6th member of the western division would be great, I think it's inevitable that Louisville will end up in the Big 12.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 29, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Cush81 you hit it right on the head. :) Not every 'east' game would be at 'their' home. Some of them would be right in Provo..... Kansas State brought back Bill Snyder who helped Kansas State be a power in the 90's and maybe 80's too.... Why can't BYU bring back our beloved Lavell?

  • cush81 Fairfax, VA
    Oct. 29, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    AFCoug: You're right about playing 3 games against the eastern teams. But every year, 1 or 2 of those games would be out west against an eastern team. Wouldn't impact your travel. Obviously some years would be worse than others.

    I like your division alignment though. I think it is imminent that Boise State will go. It would be nice to have BYU join them and build a nice conference rivalry.

  • Y needs new coach Oceanside, OR
    Oct. 29, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    After watching tonight's game, I think it's obvious that the football team needs a new coach. Bronco is a good man, but he's taken the team as far as he can. There's a reason BYU hasn't been in a BCS bowl game. Bronco cannot help his players execute at a high level (his players consistently make too many mistakes) and, most importantly, the players have no mental toughness; they cannot handle pressure. Better prepared, better coached teams like TCU, FSU, (gulp) Utah consistently beat us now because we crumble under pressure. The Oklahoma game a few years ago is the only exception. Bronco is better at making his program appealing to Wasatch Mormons than he is at actually coaching--"Pursuit of Perfection" come on, what is he the new AP of his mission.

    This fall he cut camp short because this team was way ahead of other teams he's coached?
    No one noticed Alisa in the beginning of camp?
    He thought Heaps was progressing well?
    I'm also concerned about his pharisees comment a few weeks ago.

    I would never want anyone to lose a job, but, at the same time, BYU is in danger of being permanently irrelevant.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 29, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Bluto makes some good points. So I won't repeat them here.

    Still, I bet BYU stays independent.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 29, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    One last thought. Under proposed BE Lousville is final west division team as Navy and UCF become east division.


    Championship game rotates between Dallas (Cowboys stadium) and New York City.

    This should be a no brainer for BYU so long as the BE can work with the quirkiness that BYU brings.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 29, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Everyone saying BYU only plays 1-2 games back east is likely wrong. Based on 8 conferance games they would need to play 3 games back east with 5 in their division. Still this is not bad and they get tons of exposure in huge markets with the proposed Big east arrangement.

    Houston, Dallas, and all the large markets on the East coast.

    If they went independent for exposure joining the BE makes more sense than the Big 12. Kansas, Iowa, Ok City, do not compare with the BE markets.

    Finally with proposed BE they would be better than the current BE. BSU, Hoston, BYU, AF vs Pitt, Syracuse, WV. WV is their only real loss in football although both Pitt and Syracuse hurt BE B-ball, but BYU would not care there as they will still be in WCC.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 6:42 a.m.


    Still nervous about BYU we see.
    Man are you insecure.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 6:40 a.m.


    This is BYU's last chance, and with a Football only invite, it's the Ideal.

    The Big 12 will "Never" happen, the Pac 12 was "Never" going to happen and the other Conferences, yea right?

    The Silver Lining in all of this is the fact that the concept of 4 16 team Super Conferences with only 64 teams is dead.

    Unfortunately the BCS system is "The Governing System". 6 BCS Conferences assures that this system is here to stay. This new round of Conference re-alignment's has effectively put every school under the BCS umbrella, that deserves to be there, except.......BYU.

    If BYU wants to sit back while schools like Boise St., SMU, Houston, Air Force and teams which were not even D-1 even ten years ago (South Florida and Uconn) attain AQ status, then BYU will become the "Tulane" of College Football.

    (Tulane voluntarily withdrew from the SEC years ago) good move?

    The process has effectively weeded out the 40 schools or so, which should not even be Division One. Wyoming, San Jose St. etc, teams which draw 10-15 k per game, c'mon now.

    Let's hope BYU makes the move.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    What are the Pros to BYU joining the Big East?

    -They keep all Olympic sports in the close-by and alumni-heavy (fan base) WCC.

    -They are in the "Club" an AQ Conference, which the Big East will never lose.

    -Football Bowl opportunites improve immediately, even as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th place team.

    -Scheduling becomes easier as 5-8 games are built in annually.
    No more San Jose St. and Idaho St..

    -BYU can still schedule 4-5 games annually with any team ie. Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech etc.

    -Bronco said he wanted to play the Academies. Navy and Air Force fit 2/3 of that bill.

    -Western Division, means just that, most Conference games are in the West with Boise St., Air Force, Houston, SMU, and maybe one or two games a year back East.

    -A Championship Game (for BCS berth) in Yankee Stadium one year and Jerry's World the next.

    -They are in a League which is in the Major Media Markets, which is exactly why the Big East will never go away.

    -A Big East Association, will allow BYU to fill in their non-conference games for B-Ball with Big East teams.


  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 29, 2011 5:00 a.m.

    @ IA Cougar, I couldn't have said it better! All this talk of joining an AQ conference is getting very old and tiresome and a huge waste of time. How about we win some meaningful games first? Respect will come only after we prove we can compete with the best. Until then, we'll continue to be irrelevant to the conversation as more and more people disrespects us and treat us like the ugly bridesmaid that no one wants. Last night should've been a win but we once again kept shooting ourselves in the foot with stupid mistakes in the red zone. We left at least 3 scores on the field because we simply didn't play smart football when it counts. Riley was great but also tried too much to be a hero and ended up making costly mistakes.

    We talk of exposure as one of our main goals, but that too will be hard to achieve if we can't win the big games. Neither independence nor belonging to an AQ conference will matter if we can't compete with the big boys. Those are the only type of games that will generate excitement and bring in real exposure.

  • cush81 Fairfax, VA
    Oct. 29, 2011 4:57 a.m.

    The people who keep talking about how awful the travel would be aren't really looking closely at the situation. If BYU joined the Big East, they'd be in a Western Division. They would probably only play 1, maybe 2 games a year on the East Coast. In the Western division, the furthest they'd have to travel is Texas (which they seem to do every year anyway) and Cincinnati, and that wouldn't even be every year. If we were talking all sports, it would be stupid. But it's just football.

    Another thing: BCS bid. People like to keep saying the Big East is going to lose its auto bid, but what proof is there that that will happen? Adding all those schools will make Big East stronger, and all non-AQ conferences weaker. They'll keep the bid, especially if the service academies join. And if for some reason they do lose their auto bid in the Big East, BYU can just go back to being independent. My point is - it can't hurt to try. So instead of turning your nose up at the idea, why not look a little closer at the details

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Oct. 29, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    I would like to see BYU in the BE(football only) and with the schools mentioned they easily retain their BCS status and are beer than the ACC. I already miss playin AF evry year and we have no rivalry games to get excited about in the current system. BYU vs BSU every year! BYU vs AF again! BYU vs Houston! The west division would be stacked. It would be nice to lose 2 games and still be able to go to a BCS game by winning the championship game. Access would be so much better. Visability would improve as the biggest markets on the east coast would be watching BYU every week. Currently the BE is the weakest BCS conferance but with the teams being discussed added it becomes 3rd or 4th best passing the ACC and possibly the PAC-12. With the teams listed bowl eligble teams each year for the past 5 years are;
    2010 9/12
    2009 10/12
    2008 9/12
    2007 11/12
    2006 10/12
    Some of those are barely but even the 2nd tier bowls improve dramatically and likely get better with West division. Holiday Bowl??

  • SammFan Sammamish, WA
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    I'll skip over all the drivel from the Ute trolls but BYU going to the Big East would be the absolute stupidest move of all that have been seriously discussed. It's tanking on all fronts, the team travel, the physical proximity to BYU Alumni and more reasons, I'm sure make this ridiculous on it's face. I think I'd lose all respect for those involved.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    BYU can always return to the position it is in today.... Indy and WCC.... It is critical however that we don't get left off the list of AQ Conferences as they expand.

    We become a much more attractive package once we are in and AQ Conference.... It's kind of like looking for work.... It's always easier when you already have a job.... Even with all that aside, I think that the East/West Divisions of the BE conference is intriguing.... I could see where it could turn out to be a very good deal.

  • Cougar Nation #1 Provo, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    No to the Big East!!!!! Independent or Big 12 are the only real options. The Big East is weak in football and let's face it BYU is in the WEST!!!

  • rok San Diego, CA
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    A geographic nightmare.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Oct. 28, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    After watching BYU get pretty much schooled tonight in Texas, I'm thinking that the Big East would be a great conference for them. The travel expenses double, the maximum 2 hour flights just turned into 4 hour flights and 2 hour time zone should really keep your boys fresh!!

    I chuckle at all this "conference" shake up, I've predicted for years that it will all come down to "greed". Certainly is a sad world we live in when money becomes a priority over rivalries.

    Sorry Utah and BYU fans but many of you took the bait, and now you won't see any legit BCS Bowl game in years to come!! In some ways I smile and sit back and tell many BYU and Utah fans......"see I told you so"!

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    In all honesty, who really wants to deal with BYU? They have so many aberrations to contend with. A real conference never gave them the time of day, not EVER. The continuous articles pertaining to BYU's acceptance somewhere is all hype and a desperate hope that somebody "may" like them someday........ which will NEVER be the case. The day will come when the LDS officials in SLC will drop BYU athletics, as the clock is ticking folks.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    Tired of the Ute fans banter. I'm also tired of our big talk and no action. BYU sealed the deal in my mind tonight by proving that they are not worthy of it. I'd love them to join the big time but you have to play big before you join the party. That, is something they have yet to do. Coaching is poor and until that gets fixed, we need to stay independent or seek to go back to the MWC or the WAC where we can pound up on losing records. I'm trying to think of our last win against a winning record. Hmmmmmm. Utah is finding it hard as well. Mistakes on both sides. Delusions of grandeur!

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    No longer care where they go. If BYU can't win a single big game, then it doesn't matter anyway.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    So it would be the western division being the football Big East as none of the teams in the easter part of the Big East could play with BSU, etc. Basketball would be just the opposite. UConn would make fools out of Boise or TCU. Another stupid idea that can be tied to the BCS. College sports are a complete mess with conferences. Nice work, corporate America.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    So who is more desperate the Big East or the Y?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    The Big East is a joke. A conference of left overs and left outs.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    a few thoughts -

    Who needs a traveling partner for a football only league? Teams will play one away football game then travel back home. Traveling partner only is necessary or helpful for other sports. Boise St. might be clamoring for BYU to get in because they might need BYU's pull to get into the WCC for their other sports.

    Those who are bagging on BYU leadership for not obtaining the Big-12 invite should realize that the Big 12 had two open spots and at least 4 quality schools (TCU, BYU, Louisville, and West Virgina) looking to fill those spots. BYU was not a guarantee and it was not a matter of mere incompetency by BYU's sports leaders that caused them not to received the invite. I'm not sure what TCU's athletic budget is, but BYU's annual athletic budget (32 million or so) was only about 60% of West Virgina's and only about 60% of Louisville's (which were 50-60 million).

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    BYU needs to keep it's lucrative ESPN contract and stay independent. Too many people are obsessed with the BCS. Utah has gotten a lot of money by joining the PAC-12 but has not been successful on the field. Go Arizona - beat the Utes! There you go Chris B.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Cork you need to very gently put a cork in your comments because they are out in left field.

    Holmoe does not talk about negotiations. BYU has always played it close to the vest.

    Just because you have become used to other people violating confidences and blab about this or that invitation you expect BYU to tell you the details of what is happening.

    I don't think it is religion which causes problems for BYU The mission of the school and the church, which means walking away from the ESPN contract and the option of putting every game on BYUtv nationwide. Remember there are over 60 million viewers for BYUtv. That is exposure.

    I do agree there are other factors, but that come into play, but I really do not think religion is part of it, that was only with the snooty PAC 12 presidents, but not with the coaches. They wanted BYU. The arrogant President's didn't want them.

    We need to beat the AQ schools and the very best teams from the non AQ conferences. No more letting the Utes get in our heads and letting them blow us out of the water.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    FUN FACT: The BCS is a failing system that was bogus to begin with. There a lots of mid-majors in major conferences - see mirror.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:07 p.m.

    Some of you couch potato coaches keep saying the Big East will lose it AQ status but you sure don't name a conference which will replace it. Mark my words down, the BCS wants to have 6 AQ conferences and they want the eastern schools to be the majority of the AQ conferences. That is the way they set it up. With Utah and BYU out of the MWC and if Boise leaves there is no way the MWC gets AQ status ever. The WAC won't get it, Conference USA won't get it and this super conference with the WAC, MWC and CUSA isn't going to achieve it either.

    This all is becoming a joke.

    One thing that may hurt BYU is the fact that these AQ schools are moving to a situation where they do not want their teams to play out of conference once conference play begins. That only gives BYU FCS teams to play after the first 3-4 games. Not a good schedule.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    @ SpanishImmersed,

    I was with you on "Rearranging deck chairs is lunacy."

    But, where'd you get the idea about the BCS desolving conference tie-ins? First I've heard of that. Source? - thanks.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Daily Deseret News article on expansion rumors that *might* involve BYU...check.

    The D-News must be afraid that BYU fans will stop taking the paper if they don't publish this article every day.

  • cork Murray, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Big East? Better off in the Big Sky. How much deeper of a pit can Holmoe put us into? Open your mouth, Tom, and do two things. One, tell us why we aren't going to the Big 12 - really, not some tripe they hand you to read. Second, announce your overdue resignation.

  • Cougar Blue N. Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    I have been against anything Big East for a while, but, if they can arrange a western conference with BSU, Houston, SMU, Air Force, BYU, and somebody else of note, I think I could go for that.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Rearranging deck chairs is lunacy.

    There was talk earlier this week of a merger between the Big East, Conference USA, and the Mountain West Conference. How did BYU enter the picture? And what about all the other members of those conferences?

    All the cherry-picking other conferences teams may become a mute point shortly, if the BCS desolves conference tie-ins and goes solely on its rankings system of all FBS eligible teams.

    If the BCS does this, we'd probably still see the same teams year-in and year-out, with an occasional Cinderella. I guess the big thing is, all the Cinderella's will just be happy to be invited to the Ball. A little respect is all they want, just to be included, to make it seem like the playing field is level, fair and equitable.

    The problem is, the money will get in the way. It always has, and always will. Its not about the student-athlete and football, but revenue.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    The elephant in the room in conference expansion is what will the Big Ten do? Rumors keep popping up that they're also thinking about expanding---to 15 even!

    Where will those additional teams come from?

    When the Big Ten drops the other shoe, all 7344 will break loose!

    The ACC and SEC are committed to at least going to 14 each. The Big 12 won't survive long if it stays at 10. It'll need to get to 14 also.

    Gonna be interesting, to say the least.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    It's pretty obvious all the pundits out there providing "news" have no clue about BYU, and that includes ESPN's.

    Boise State's "traveling partner" for the Big East? What a laugh.

    BYU's not dumb enough to join a midmajor-overhauled conference that's unlikely to retain its BCS status for very long. The instability of the Big 12 that's been concerning BYU doesn't look so bad in comparison to the Big East's instability.

    WVA's invite is expected, as the Big 12 needs to jump on getting them to save that school $5 mil. Doesn't mean BYU's now "out of the running." Clueless pundits.

    It's going to be fun watching whether the Big East's by-law for that waiting period holds water, as WVA's apparently announced that they're leaving before the required time. Lawyers' wallets just got fatter.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    This does very little for BYU. I hope they don't seriously consider this option. I don't think that the Big-East will be a BCS conference in a couple years anyway.

    This makes it easier to schedule teams, but does nothing else.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    Please cite your exact source that enables you to flat out say that BYU and the Big XII is guaranteed to at no time forthcoming ever going to form a partnership. For now it is nothing more than unsubstantiated speculation that I do not for even a nano-second buy into. Basically what I am saying is that until either the university or the conference says so I don't buy the presses nonsense.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    This would be like BYU going to a party after everyone else but the clean up help went home. The SEC will get 2 invites to the BCS games before the clean up help at the forgotten East will get one.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    So many words and comments on so little info. The BYU A.D says boo and the Deseret News has ten stories from it. Well, I heard BYU is holding out for the super division. It would create the largest division being a part of the AFC West. Playing San Diego, Oakland, Arizona and San Francisco would give BYU: 1. Destination cities, 2. More chances to make the Championship game, 3. A real playoff format, 4. Higher TV ratings, 5. Increased name branding sales, 6. Piles and more piles of cash, 7. Trips to London, Toronto, Miami, and Atlanta occassionally. 8. One step above Utah's conference if that really matters, 9. The only draw backs are Sunday play and playing in Green Bay and Chicago in the winter. But the advantages outweigh right?

    Actually remaining Independent seems the most logical. If BYU plays good football and that continues to sell the program then the options for Bowl games will increase from not just the Championship game but to other bowls! Just like it was supposed to be for Norte Dame before it folded up football in South Bend. I vote for the current structure.

  • Muss Man Draper, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    @Kiboo: "BYU's "failure" to be invited to either the PAC 10 or Big 12 can be boiled down to one issue - religion."

    Can you say "persecution syndrome," anyone?

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Captain L

    Patience Schmatience. I say jump in the Big East or any BCS conference and sort things out later. Everything will change again anyway.

    Exposure is more than ESPN for a few games a year. It's playing in stadiums in bigger metro areas than Provo-Salt Lake, it's being in the paper, on the daily drive time radio show, local talk radio in the bigger markets. It's playing in FRONT of a top recruit's family and not just on TV.

    But I would push to play basketball in the BE too. That's where the real action is.

    I like it...

  • Done That Monroe, CT
    Oct. 28, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    That would be awesome for Basketball!! I live in Connecticut so what do you expect me to say. BIG EAST BB Tournament at MSG just an hour 15 minutes down the road. With BYU and BSU, that would make the BIG EAST a respectable football conference as well.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    This is becoming very interesting. The 12 team football league is not a bad fit for BYU.

    All the Utah fans seem to have forgotton that they were the last in, throw in to make 12, whatever you want to call it, after T and O and their friends wouldn't come. They also had to agreed to join without money for one year and then a graduated scale for two more.

    The talk then seemed to be that Utah would either end up in the PAC or in the "remnants" of the Big 12. We all know how it ended. A great deal for Utah, at least once they pay their way in. How soon they forget!

    Another big plus to all of this is "Sunday play". The reason BYU is not in the Big12 or PAC12 for that matter.

    This solves the Sunday play problem quite nicely and also the integrity issue of ditching the WCC after only one year.

    If this works, the State of Utah is a big winner. Two teams in big revenue football conferences. Both Utah and BYU can carry the "brand" of the great State of Utah all over the country.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Holmoe: Do not allow BYU to join the Big East--it's a sinking ship. While I would have loved BYU to join the Big 12, independence in football is far better than the Big East.

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    BYU's "failure" to be invited to either the PAC 10 or Big 12 can be boiled down to one issue - religion. And in most cases, Sunday play. BYU has the reputation, history, following, etc. What they are not willing to do is compromise their standards - and that scares potential suitors.

    Anyone who claims the BYU is not wanted for any reason other than religion is disingenuous at best.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Don't join the Big East because it is now becoming the sinking ship of bcs leauge. Stay Independent for now.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Portland Trail Blazers:

    "Chris B,...But I thought you said that nobody wants BYU? The Big East is a BCS conference last time I checked..."

    And last time I checked the Y had not been invited to the Big East. You're counting your chickens before they've hatched again. Typical coug. At present, you are a mid-major. At present, EVERY AQ conference in the country has had the opportunity to add the cougars....but DIDN'T! At present, Chris B is more correct than you.

    FUN FACT: In 2003, the Big East was an 8-team league consisting of Miami, Va. Tech, Boston College, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia, Temple, and Rutgers. Now, with 5 defectors to the ACC, one to the Big 12, and the other to the MAC, the only team expected to remain is Rutgers. The most likely additions to the BE were mid-majors in '03, with UConn [Independent] and USF [CUSA] only playing their 4th year of D-1 football.

    The remaining: Navy [Independent], Louisville, Cincinnati, and Houston [CUSA], Air Force [MWC], SMU and Boise St. [WAC], and UCF [MAC].

    And cougar fans are ANXIOUS to join THIS league?

    Well, it is mid-majorey enough...

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Why would BYU join a fractioned conference that's a step above the old MWC? I don't see the Big East retaining its AQ status.

  • emmittroy NAMPA, ID
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    Just so everyone understands, there is nothing in the BCS by-laws that discusses a BCS team losing their AQ status. Nothing. With the additions of the Western teams that are being discussed, including BYU, the newly formed Big East would be a better football conference than the ACC. The Big East will have at least two of the service academies. Jerry Jones will get his wish and the Cotton Bowl will be added as a BCS game. The Big East will not lose its AQ, if it can put this league together, with or without BYU.
    There are concerns about BYU joining the Big East, but lets focus on real concerns. I for one, would love to have BYU still playing for something after we lose a game. If we win out the rest of the year what are we playing for? The Armed Forces Bowl. If we lose out, what are we getting? The Armed Forces Bowl. Lets say we lose a game or two in the new Big-East, what are we playing for? A BCS birth. Big difference.

  • Lux et Veritas Draper, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    It's comical to see BYU fans turn their noses up at the Big East. Memo to Cougars everywhere - you're not too good for a BCS conference.

    Perhaps this same sense of inflated self importance is why BYU's negotiations with the Big12 failed.

    The Big East will surely retain its BCS bid. It only needs to be the nation's 6th strongest conferece to get it. Having added any noteworthy school from non-AQ conferences, no other conference can challenge for that 6th spot.

    Wouldn't it be far better to play in the weakest BCS conference (and therefore have the easiest road to a BCS bowl) than remain as an independent, locked into the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, even in your best season?

  • CougarMeservy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    I really don't want to see my team join a FOOTBALL ONLY conference. . . I love the rivalries that spill over between sporting events. What would the UTAH / BYU rivalry have been like if it was only a one sport rivalry?? There has to be something BETTER.

  • big12orbust Boise, Id
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Agree with Duck Hunter why would we want the Big East, Independance is a better option than joining the Litte East and West Conference.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Not wanted by the PAC-12.

    Not wanted by the Big 12.


    "The Cougars would meet Boises definition of a western partner."

    Boise's "definition"? And BYU fans were ripping Utah for being the "third" choice over Texas and Oklahoma?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    eastcoastcoug: I don't remember showing availability being a reason we went independent. We went independent to get greater exposure, which we accomplished with our TV contract with ESPN and with BYUtv. Availability does make going to a BCS conf. easier but I don't ever remember it being a reason we left the MWC.
    I think BYU needs to be patient and wait for things to calm down, the big East is anything but stable and jumping to them now could end up being problematic. The scheduling of quality teams as an independent will improve and our SOS will improve with time. Getting into a BCS conf. needs to be carefully considered not just hurried into. Belonging to a BCS conf. isn't the end all like so many fans/posters want to make it into. More than half the teams in BCS conferences don't even play in bowl games. Winning is the key not conf. affiliation. Conference affiliation would make things easier but not necessarily better. Look at Utah, they might not even go bowling. Like I said, winning is the key.

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:38 p.m.


    Stop trying to clutter the minds of ute trolls with facts.

  • amicus Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    For the sake of humanity, BYU, BSU, and AFA should let Big East football die.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    Interesting comments from ESPN:

    "The teams Pitino is referring to are potential Big East invitees Boise State, Air Force, Navy, BYU, Central Florida, Houston and SMU. Marinatto has told Pitino that he has visited with or spoken to officials from each of the schools about joining the conference, Pitino said."

    "Pitino said that Marinatto told him he was confident that invitations would be accepted by the schools, although BYU has yet to indicate where its future lies. According to Pitino, Marinatto said the conference has had discussions with BYU and that Boise State would like a Western partner if it were to join.

    I'd say that puts the lie to the "Nobody wants BYU" crowd. Still up to the powers that be in Provo and Salt Lake to decide if they want to do this, but the interest is definitely there from the Big East.

    Let's see...playing games in Dallas, Houston, Orlando, and the greater D.C. and NYC areas...that might meet a definition of exposure.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    No, no, no. Don't go to the Big East. It's a terrible conference, and while I'm out East and would love to see some games out this way, it's a terrible move. Nothing to gain from it - the Big East will not retain its AQ status. Independence is better than the Big East.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    I for one am interested in just the opposite - I'd prefer to see the Cougars play Big East Basketball and stay independent in football - that is if the Big 12 doesn't come calling.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Win the big ones and good things will start happening. Case in point: TCU, Boise State, Utah.

    Keep messing around and no one will want us...

    We could stay indie - but to what end???

    What if ND, Army and Navy all join up with someone? I thought we went independent to show availability and get away from the Mtn. So what if all the BYU fans in the country can watch us on any given Friday/Saturday...

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    WVU can't even join the Big XII until like 2014, right? BYU could join immediately, start playing in 2012 and by the time WVU would be able to join, the Big XII could be ready to be a 12 or even 16 team conference. The Big XII knows BYU is not restricted by any conference and doesn't need to jump the gun on an invitation to get through possible hold ups and red tape. That's why I don't think BYU should be considered "out of the running".

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Chris B,

    But I thought you said that nobody wants BYU?

    The Big East is a BCS conference last time I checked Chris B...

    How is the mighty Ute football team doing in the Pac 10.2?

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    I'd say no to the conference, but see if you can't work out a scheduling partnership. You already have Boise booked for about 50 straight years, get AFA set up the same way and rotate a home and away with some Big East schools out east to fill some October/November slots.

    Then the Big East doesn't have to worry about BYU leaving if a better invite comes (when the Big 12 renegotiates TV contracts, they will likely go to 12, 14 or 16 teams, but it is years away), but they get good games, more $ and better computer rankings for their BCS conference competitors.

  • Colo. Aggie Loveland, CO
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    It makes total sense for BYU to join the BE for football only. This will solve future scheduling issues they face as an independent. But, it still leaves enough OOC games that BYU can schedule a Texas, OK, Notre Dame, etc.
    In addition, it gives BYU something to play for after they lose a game during the season - a conference CHAMPIONSHIP. This all assumes that the BE would still allow BYU some TV privileges with BYU-TV. Don't worry about the stability of the BE. If it were to fold, then BYU could just go back to an independent status. All of their other sports are already in the WCC. This won't change. This seems like a no brainer to me. Also, with BSU and BYU in the BE, it's an automatic that they will retain their AQ status. The good ol' boys of the BCS will ensure that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    I'm not sure the big12 would have been an upgrade over independence and really didn't want BYU to join that conference so there is no way I want them to join the Big East. Independence is the way to go for now, let's give it a chance.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    The Big East would be horrible for BYU and still won't guarantee that the conference will maintain AQ status. There is also no sign that the Big12 won't eventually want to get back to 12. BYU will stay independent and WCC for the next while and will patiently wait while the college landscape settles over the next few years.