Blue roundup: Could BYU be headed to Big East?

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    Sounds desperate.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 29, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    10-34, 14-35, 14-31, 14-23 0-4:

    "BYU hasn't spit in the face of the conference who invited them into the 'elite' of college football when everyone expected better of them."

    And neither had Utah. Utah is 3-0 in non-conference games this season. It's the OOC record that weighs the heaviest in determining the strength of one's conference; not one's record vs. other conference members. All conferences will post an aggregate conference record of .500, because for every conference game, one team will win, and the other will lose. I know cougar fans hate this, but try to follow the math.

    Utah lost to USC(3-1), ASU(3-1), Washington(3-1), and Cal(1-3). That brings their aggregate record to 10-6. Add in Utah's 0-4 and we're 10-10.

    Now let's suppose Utah beat all 4 opponents. In this case, USC would now be 2-2; ASU 2-2; UWa. 2-2, and Cal 0-4. Collectively, they would have been 6-10. Adding Utah's record of 4-0 and we are back to 10-10.

    CONCLUSION: Utah has done nothing to harm the Pac-12's reputation.


  • 10-34, 14-35, 14-31, 14-23 0-4 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 29, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    Lanius, Records matter very little outside of your own team's. Teams all the time lose to competition they should be beating. Case in point is probably best proven by your alleged team the Utes..... The Utes have beaten an 0-0 MSU team that is 7-1 (probably 8-1 by approval of this comment) a 1-1 BYU team that is 3 games better in the win column than Utah, a 3-3 Pitt team from the Wac of the East that is still struggling to be .500. Losses against teams with winning records one of which 3-3 California at the time which went 4-3 thanks to the U's ineptness at football this season. BYU hasn't been in a BCS conference, hasn't played or won any BCS Bowl games... Yet, BYU hasn't spit in the face of the conference who invited them into the 'elite' of college football when everyone expected better of them. Utah's record is deplorable. If you can beat Alabama why on earth can't you beat California? When is the last time California won a championship conference or national? We expected better from Utah GO OSU!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    You protesteth way too much.

    Insecure?.....look in the mirror.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    Trendster about softball.

    BYU is not playing WCC softball because it is not sponsored by the conference. Right now with BYU they only have 5 or 6 schools playing softball. BYU softball has joined the WAC conference for one year. There is talk that more WCC schools will pickup softball.

    I believe BYU's swimming and diving programs are in the Mountain Pacific Sports group, same place where men's volleyball play.

    All in all, it is these "other" sports and BYU's refusal to make them play on Sunday that is the big issue with the big conferences. As an example, if you haven't noticed many of the Utah's conference soccer games have been on Sunday. You will see more in women's bball, and the spring sports.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Can you spell "Sunday". All the blue smoke is meaningless. Sundy play is why BYU is not in the Big 12. It is also why BYU is not in the PAC with Utah instead of Colo. You need to be careful when you talk about bottom feeders in a new conference. Colo did not need to buy their way in. They are receiving full membership money this year. The other school is not.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 28, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    BYU was in a super conference (the old WAC). BYU and Utah led the revolt to from the MWC. Big12 is in a bit of a shambles. PAC12 is locked and not looking (currently) at a 16-team scenario. Notre Dame is still independent and doing fine.

    If Big12 offers, BYU should take it, even though they would be middle of the pack most years. If not, stay independent. Use the Boise State formula to get ranked: Play and beat a couple of big name teams, play and beat a few BCS also-rans, then play a half dozen cupcakes and waltz to the BCS game.

    Then win the BCS game. Upset a SEC or Big12 team and voila!

    These goofy conference alignments don't look very appealing to me.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:19 p.m.


    "Where does that come from?? byu has done nothing in the BCS. "

    BYU has consistently been ranked somewhere around 20th-70th in the sagarin rankings the past decade and considering there are around 60 BCS teams... and Colorado is ranked 120th (Utah and BYU are currently 51st and 59th respectively last I checked)... BYU totally is worthy of being in the BCS.

  • cush81 Fairfax, VA
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    I think a lot of people are missing the point about joining the Big East. Money. Let's face it, BYU's strength of schedule hasn't improved since leaving the Mountain West, but its financial situation has. I don't know what BYU's current deal pays them, but the reports have all said Boise State would be in line to earn 8 to 10 million a year by joining the Big East. If that is better than your current deal, take it.
    BYU as an independent doesn't stand much of a chance to land a BCS bid, so why wouldn't you look at a conference that does, even if it isn't as strong as some of the other conferences? I think if Boise, Houston, SMU and BYU all joined the Big East, they'd keep their BCS bid. The BCS wouldn't want to deal with the fallout of dropping a conference, and it would put the teams most likely to earn a non-AQ bid in a BCS league, freeing up an extra spot for the major conferences

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 28, 2011 12:11 p.m.


    "The Y is not so insecure that it would take an affiliation with a bcs conference as a bottom feeder, just to say 'I belong', yes but I loose [sic] every conference game. 'But I belong.'"

    Actually, the Y IS! They tried hitching their mid-majored selves to the Pac-12 -- a conference they refer to as "bigotted" -- but were unsuccessful. They THEN tried to do so likewise with the Big XII, but like the Pac-12, that AQ conference didn't want them. Now the cougars will try to invite themselves to the Big East. And in every case, the cougars will blow smoke about how wonderful their Independence situation is, and how their WAC schedule is stronger than Utah's Pac-12 schedule.

    THAT's "insecure".

    Know what ELSE is "insecure"? Babbling at length how the 54-10 losers -- on their own home field no less -- are really the better team because they beat 6 teams with a cumulative record of 14-29 [0.326]. By way of comparison, Utah beat 3 teams with MORE wins [17-7, 0.708].

    So don't talk to Utah fans about "insecurity". You guys have OWNED that title for the past 20-yrs.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    @ 10-34 etc. in Bountiful

    Your display name would be much more fitting if you used the records of the teams that BYU has played this year - better yet, you could use the winning records of the teams that BYU has beaten.....oh yeah, nevermind, to short.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    "The articles I have read by credible sports authority sources has just about every team in the country in play except byu. Yet, here you are making plans for divisions in the Big East, inviting yourselves to the SEC, the ACC, and Big 12. Proclaiming that Boise St and byu are BCS caliber. Where does that come from??"

    Answer: From the "uneducated" fans that Bronco was talking about.

  • 10-34, 14-35, 14-31, 14-23 0-4 bountiful, ut
    Oct. 28, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    No ACC! lol... We don't need a yearly beat down from the seminoles..... Whether it is an up or down year for FSU BYU can't seem to beat em for the life of themselves. As for people calling it the Big Least that kind of denegrates Utah's victory over the hapless panthers doesn't it? Also down troddens their 9-0 lifetime record against them..... How in over 100 years only 9 games against a relatively easy conference to beat? GO BEAVERS GO! Please send the Utes to 3-5 because then all the trolls that call 'us' a mid major look like a baby major. Beating a mid major but losing to a team that the mid major beat just doesn't carry with it a lot of fruit of merit.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    Independence is Freedom keep it and enjoy the ride.

    Oct. 28, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    What a shame! If BYU, Utah, TCU had stayed in the MW, with BSU and even the other schools coming in, the MW would easily have been awarded the Big East's AQ status. That would have made the MW a very strong, competitive conference, the TV deal was being reworked, and before you say it, yes, UNLV football is pathetic. As it is, now you're looking at the Big East? They'll be gone very shortly, and back to basketball only. Good luck!

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    The Y is not so insecure that it would take an affiliation with a bcs conference as a bottom feeder, just to say "I belong", yes but I loose every conference game. "But I belong."

    Independence is the best route, the bcs will be gone in two, mark it down. All of this coference cannabilism will be the dager that does in the bcs. The ncaa will finally have the guts, because it will be forced upon them, to step up and take charge. At that point the Y will be the one picking and choosing.

  • Colo. Aggie Loveland, CO
    Oct. 28, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    For all of you out there who keep saying IF the BIG EAST KEEPS ITS AQ STATUS, it's guaranteed!! The good ol' network called the BCS will take care of the Big East if they can add some teams and grow to 12 teams. Trust me, it's a given that the Big East will retain its BCS status.

  • EdCullen Orem, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    No way BYU does this.
    Big12>Indy>Big East
    I'd rather see BYU stay independent than end up in the Big Least. This conference is done. Both West Virginia and Louisville are gone. And you know Uconn and Cincinnati would be gone in a heartbeat if the Big 12 or ACC call.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    Wow. I read an article on ESPN that talks about the Big East expanding and the teams the with whom the conference has spoken (Boise St) and those with whom they are expected to speak. No where in the mix is there mention of byu.

    So, I come to the Des News and see this article. I read it and then started to read the comments. The articles I have read by credible sports authority sources has just about every team in the country in play except byu. Yet, here you are making plans for divisions in the Big East, inviting yourselves to the SEC, the ACC, and Big 12. Proclaiming that Boise St and byu are BCS caliber. Where does that come from?? byu has done nothing in the BCS.

    One thing all the speculation has proven is that byu fans desperately want to be in a conference and that independence is little more than lipstick on a pig.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:15 p.m.

    It makes sense. After all Boise State and BYU are EAST of the Sierra Mountains...

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    As an alumnus of The University of Alabama School of Law, and member of the Church, I would be glad to do my part in bringing BYU and the SEC together. I, personally, do not think that it would be a hard sell to the SEC.

    After all, is Texas A&M football that much better than BYU football?

    It is all about market share and television revenue.

    Now would be a great time for BYU to approach the SEC on the subject. Do it now before the 14th member school is added.

  • BYUfaninWashSt Everett, WA
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    The level of competition in Big East is closer to BYU level. With chance at BCS, BYU should go for it.

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    For the SEC, BYU's only disadvantage is that its football may be a little below the norm for the SEC, all other sports would offer great competition.

    Another plus for BYU is its television exposure which is not something that the SEC would likely disregard in any discussion.

    All that the SEC would look for is market exposure mostly through television contracts.

    I know that the University of Alabama has long worked with, and admired the academics, at BYU.

    What's the harm in a little "window shopping" on the part of BYU. It never hurts to "test the waters".

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 9:14 p.m.


    BYU could also consider taking a trip to the Big Rock Candy Mountain while they're at it. I don't think the SEC is interested in BYU.

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    BYU should consider the SEC before the Big East. I for one would love to see BYU in the SEC. Most of the members probably would also if old rivalries can stay the same.

  • ego Laie, HI
    Oct. 27, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    it is interesting how the complaints of BCS monopoly and unfair trade etc have disappeared. A very effective strategy to bring in the excluded. The conversation has changed to the BCS's benefit.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:57 p.m.

    College Football has gone Cannibalistic...and the NCAA has no control over what will eventually mutate out of this. The Big East is a Joke and was on the verge of being thrown out of the BCS before the Mountain West conference imploded and Craig Thompson's ego got a good taste of his own stupidity. I think BYU's move to Independance is the only safe ground for the Cougars right now. Too many fault lines have been created and a very precarious house of cards has emerged. One that eventually has no other course than to completely topple.

  • LouisD Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    I personally like this idea better than the Big-12, because BYU can negotiate keeping it's BYUtv, ESPN and stays in the WCC for Oly sports. It gives BYU that long reach nationally for football, eastern exposure, numerous western travel partnerss & rivals, and it puts all the service academies in the same place as BYU. When and if Notre Dame needs a conference, it is more likely to join that Big-East than any other conference. Frankly, the people who think the BE will lose AQ status really know NOTHING about media footprints and markets. The BE already reaches the most important media meccas of the nation and 1/3rd the households. Joining the BE would mean AQ for BYU, allows the continental exposure and really gives BYU a national recruiting profile. Sorry all you naysayers, but I like THIS plan way better than the Big-12

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    Independents it worked for our Nations founding Fathers.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Oct. 27, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    Sammy G? what are you doing over here. This isn't a Utah article. If BYU were to join the big East without guarantees concerning AQ status of the conference, they would be nuts. Nearly every scenario I've read concerning the Big East doesn't look promising.I'm not a cougar fan but, I'd like to see a legitimate invitation from a stable AQ conference. I'm just not sure if that is the Big Least

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:57 p.m.

    Again, are you KIDDING? BYU fans would like to play in the mid-majored Little East? Give me a break!

    Independence forever is WAY better than a bogus Big East.

    If the Big 12 is to save itself from future implosion, it'll have to get to 14 teams at minimum, and soon (even if invitees don't come on board for a few years). That'll likely include BYU, as the pickin's are slim anymore. Not much left in the Big East to choose from for Big 12 expansion.

    I'm bettin' the instability of conference expansions is why BYU hasn't married up with the Big 12 as yet. Once things settle down, we'll see where we are. Until then, it's only SPECULATION, because the Big 12 is honoring BYU's desire to keep negotiations private.


  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Oct. 27, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    I would absolutely love for BYU to come play Rutgers every couple years, but what was proposed sounds like a very, very unstable coalition.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:53 p.m.


    "Pile on everyone, it's another trollfest about how irrelevant BYU is"

    That might be fun but what's even more fun is noting how irrelevent the Big East is in football. Frankly I think BYU is literally too good for them.

    "You are now one of the worst teams in the entire BCS. "

    Utah is 51st in the sagarin rankings (7th highest in the conference). Utah has only lost to top 50 schools, has beaten 3 55-90 ranked schools and Utah's remaining 5 opponents are 8-12 in the conference (something like 65 85 105 106 and colorado at about 120th). Let's wait til the end of the season for that assessment. I know groundhogs are better prognosticators than Chris but that doesn't mean you have to make faulty statements too.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    This is actually the "Ideal" situation for BYU.

    Provided BYU can keep their ESPN contract, same day re-play, BYU-TV etc.

    It remains to be seen if the Big East would be accomodating to BYU, which apparently the Big 12 cannot be. That's OK, that's business.

    -Football only...

    -BYU keeps all other sports in the WCC, along with control of the TV for Olympic sports and basketball, which BYU absolutely does not want to part with.

    -Built in schedule with good Western teams, will still allow BYU to schedule 4 or 5 Non-Conference games, Notre Dame, Texas, Ga. Tech etc..

    Championship Game between the East and West in Yankee Stadium.

    I proposed this very scenario a month ago. BYU "Football Only" to the Big East, is the only way BYU fits a Conference model.

    BYU is too far down the road with their own Broadcsting and Brand to sign it all away to another Conference. Here they can still chart their own course.

    Another built in advantage would be some Big East Basketball teams coming to the Marriott Center. Although not in the same B-ball Conference, some home and homes could be worked out.

    Don't Dither BYU.

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:11 p.m.

    Maybe BYU in the Big 12--
    Possibley BYU in the Big East--
    Could be they stay Independent--
    Perhaps they should have stayed in the MWC--

    For crying out loud! Stop writing articles about NOTHING HAPPENING!

  • Orange&Blue Pocatello, ID
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Being a Boise St. fan, I think this would be a great deal. For all those who think this is a bad idea, I fail to see your reasoning. BCS-AQ status, BCS-AQ money, BCS-AQ recognition and no more playing crummy teams in the late year. Let's be honest, the Big East bottom feeders are still tons better than many of the WAC/MWC/Conf. USA/MAC/Sun Belt top teams. Be honest, would you rather play Cincinatti in November or Idaho, or ISU. If you want the Idaho's and ISU's, by all means stay indy. People say, they will lose AQ status, remember, the AQ rules were to keep others out, not to kick anyone out. Pittsburg and Syracuse were there for the tv markets, nothing else, so I don't see the AQ staus going away since they'll be picking up the TX, Utah, Idaho and Florida markets. Besides, who's to say this won't be a step to something greater.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 5:01 p.m.

    Cue the music from the Jeffersons:

    "Well they're moving on up, moving on up, to the east side. To a BCS conference in sky. Oh they're moving on up, moving on up, to the east side, they finally got a piece of the pie.

    BYU didn't get a PAC-12 invite. That team plays on the hill. Took a whole lot a trying, just to get another deal. Now they're finally in the BCS. Getting their turn at bat. As long as their playing, at BYU baby, and there ain't nothing wrong with that (debatable ;-))"

    Repeat chorus.

    Congrats BYU, if it happens. That would be a good deal. This would be another blow to the kidneys of USU as the rumor of the mega conference included them, but I am sure the MWC would pick them up to replace Boise, well actually, I am not sure, but I don't see too many other options out there. This football realignment has more twist and turns than a thriller mystery movie. Enjoy the ride. Once again, let me thank Texas for opening up this Pandora's box! A playoff system could return sanity back to geographic locations in conferences...oh well.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Alpha Chicken

    This question is for anyone really. What rule book or where in any book for that matter is it written, which games you can storm the field for? Is it just against ranked teams? Rivals? when you win by 2 or 40? when its raining, snowing? how many points you comeback from? Not sure whats wrong with getting excited at a sports event over a 2 minute comeback win in dramatic fashion. Big deal. Ute and Aggie fans just jealous they have had absolutely no reason to storm the field.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    Wow! Utah hasn't won a pac-12 football game yet. How long till they win a basketball game? There is no honer in losing.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    @Ogdenite newbie

    Who's unhappy? This Big East thing was not started by a Y fan. This is what we call media attention, positive media attention. Totally different than what 'U'our accustomed to these days.

    Contrary to 'U'our view of the world, BYU is much in control and independence is just fine. Come 2013 BYU will be playing and hosting the likes of storied programs the U will never see in RES.

    There is no desperation, only Utesie trolls kickin' the dirt again about BYU in the headlines... a typical news commentary day on the DNews.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:35 p.m.

    Alpha Chicken
    6-2 is going down? Just because they had some close games? really?? You think Byu wouldn't destroy Wyoming? or Weber? And would lose to L Tech, c'mon. yes I am a Y fan. Heaps isn't what he was hyped up to be. I agree to that, but now they have found a QB that can make things happen. who knows what happens in the USU game if Riley plays the whole game. You don't know and I don't know. At least the Y can pull off the miracle, the Ags obviously can't. But if they are truly on the rise then why are they 2-5? Since when is 2-5 evidence of a team on the rise? Because of one close game at Auburn? If that's true then your expectations are askew. My gut tells me Byu is just fine and heading to a bowl game. You really think your gut tells you a bowl is in USU's future?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:34 p.m.

    @Chris B.

    Listen, let's make a deal here. About the only thing your team has to show for moving to the PAC 12 is a whole bunch of money. Washington State has a lot of money too, but it doesn't make them a good football program.

    So how about this: Since Utah is 0-4 in the PAC 12, how about you show a little humility and not post anything until they actually beat a PAC 12 team? I mean, yes, they have a lot of money now, but none of it is actually for you.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:29 p.m.



    Shiney, bright object!

    Go to the light!

    Big East sounds like leftovers to me. Either go to a mega-conference or stay put. It is nice, however to be wanted by a few.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    Maybe put Hawaii in the Big East too. Geez this is ridiculous. How can you be in the Big East if you are out west? Maybe just create a new conference called the "Left-overs conference" that includes all the schools nobody else wants. BYU would be the first candidate for sure!!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    Chris B
    What will really be funny is when CU wins its first Pac game and the Utes drop to last in the conf. below them LOL!!

  • Alpha Chicken Orem, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    If you are a BYU fan I wouldn't be making to much fun of USU's record. Bronco had to sell Jake Heaps down the river and even then it took a last minute miracle for BYU to pull it out AT HOME against USU. USU is a decent team on the way up. What direction do you think BYU is going? I mean what does your gut tell you? My gut tells me that they are on the way down and that the fans have lower expectations than ever before, way lower. Thats why they rushed the feild after beating USU.

  • Monty1 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    I hope that BYU gives the Big East serious consideration if the Big 12 is not an option. I prefer that BYU be in a conference and not be independent--even if we might play better teams some years as an independent and get more exposure. It is simply more fun to be part of a conference where you can build rivalries, read up on how the other conference teams are doing, compare yourself weekly to the other conference teams, and have a chance to be the best of the group. The Big East is not as good as the Big 12, but it is stronger than what we had in the Mountain West. And it has a BCS bid (if it can keep it) which is huge. I think the Big East would be an improvement over what we have experienced in the Mountain West and independence.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:58 p.m.

    Alabama ranked #2
    They currently have 4 ranked teams on their schedule. And that's better than Byu yes, but look at their other foes.
    Kent State
    North Texas
    Ole Miss
    Miss State
    Georgia Southern

    I'm not understanding, they don't schedule top ranked teams week in and week out??

  • Ogdenite Lincoln, NE
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    This is funny. Last year, BYU insisted that it was happy being an independent, even though everyone knew it was a step backward. Now look how desperate the school is to join a BCS conference, no matter where it is. Desperation is not attractive. Maybe that is why BYU has not gotten an invite from the struggling Big 12. This entire process continues to make BYU look like a rinky-dink organization.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:27 p.m.

    Way to spin it, Chris B., who said BYU would "never" get into a BCS conference; now you say it isn't one that will continue. Gosh, are you WRONG AGAIN??? Didn't you also say Utah would go to the Rose Bowl this year? A 2nd grader has more credibility in their opinions than some U partisans. LOL!!

    How's eating off the bottom at escalated stadium seating prices for the smallest stadium in the PAC 10.2 conference just to watch U lose every conference game? It must be exhillerating....for you, anyway.....

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    I guess the one thing that makes me think this may have some creditability is that the BCS may have a difficult time in removing AQ status from already accepted programs like UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati and South Florida. And then ompounding that potential problem by telling schools like Boise State, BYU, Houston, Air Force, Navy, that your programs are not worthy while continuing to allow very similar programs in size and quality like Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Vanderbuilt, Mississippi, Kansas, Baylor, Iowa St, Colorado, Utah and many others to remain. Remember how the BCS has struggled with the government and anti-trust issues already, this could really cause the hammer to drop.

  • trentster TUSTIN, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    If BYU were to go to a "football only" league and the remaining sports were to remain in the WCC, how would this decision affect the NCAA div. 1 status of softball to compete in the tournament? It is my understanding that women's softball in the WCC competes at a lower level, therefore BYU's program would be forced to compete down. Is there any one out there in DN land able to comment on this? Noting that this year the women are still competing in the Mtn West.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    LOL @ Chris B - Utes are doing real well now they have to play a PAC-12 team each week! BYU should stay independent, it has worked just fine for Notre Dame, an average team that is on NBC every week and gets $15B. The BCS should be abolished.

  • peacemaker Provo, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Independence is the Best!!
    Scheduling problems considered, Play who you want, when you want. Never on Sunday, ESPN contract in place with national exposure, great football and sufficient income with the same fun games at home and a high probability of a bowl game every year. The opportunity for a NC no better in a "Big" conference, if ever, but who cares it's still great fun at cougar stadium. We found something good in Independence. Let's quit shopping like a kid looking for a little better bike instead of being satisfied with the one he has.
    Go Cougars!!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    Of the teams in the Big East, or on its wish list and adding BYU, these were ranked at anytime in the last 10 years, not including this year, listed by cumulative ratings:

    Boise State
    West Virginia
    Brigham Young

    WV and Louisville are possible exits. BYU doesn't seem to be invited. Air Force, SMU and Houston, to my surprise, haven't been ranked at year-end for 10 years.

    With BYU in the mix, their rankings over a ten-year period would approximate that of the ACC. Without BYU or Boise or WVU or Louisville, they'd be in the neighborhood of the MWC. Most of MWC's rankings come from Boise, so robbing Boise from the MWC keeps the Big East ahead.

  • Colo. Aggie Loveland, CO
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    If BYU can negotiate some way to still keep some games on BYU TV, this should be a NO BRAINER. Join the Big East West for football and keep everything else in the WCC. The deal with the WAC for football only lasts thru next year. After that, BYU needs to fill out their entire schedule. This set-up allows them to play some attractive teams in the Western division with a 3 cross over games with the eastern division. These teams are all a cut above the general MWC teams. So, this looks like a Win-Win to me. BYU gets 8 conference games against good opponents, can still schedule 4 other top intersectional games, and has a championship. Also, they don't have to pull out the WCC after just 1 year. Again, this seems far better than being independent. They are basically trading WAC opponents for much better Big East opponents. It seems like a NO BRAINER!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    Any football program in the Big East would be a joke. Such a super-conference would be a bigger joke. As far as BYU programs are concerned Big 12 > Independence > PAC 12.

    Please, let's stop with all the articles based on some administrative assistant's WAG speculations of conference alignment/invites. Geez, I think I'd rather see an article on the intricacies of curling.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    Jack, unlike the y, USU fans never fraudulantly claim to be BCS worthy. The Aggies will be winning their share of WAC games long before the y puts together a BCS calibar team.

    You can poke all the fun you want at the team that dominated the y last year and pushed the y to the limit this year. The teams that are making the y look good the end of last season as well as this season are at the bottom of the Div 1 foodchain.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Go Big Blue!!!

    Sorry your team can't finish games and probably won't win a game the rest of the season. Byu is bowl eligible and 6-2. Hey but the Ags will go down this season as the "best" 2-10 program in the nation. That close Auburn game really doesn't mean much anymore does it? First game jitters by Auburn that's all.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    The Big-East would be easier to schedule than independance, but it would be less impressive. BYU would get very little from joining the Big-East, at a great cost.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    Go Big Blue!!!

    "who is the Y playing as an independent? WAC and MWC teams"

    Isn't Utah State a WAC team?

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    What's in if for jokes, who is the y playing as an independent? WAC and MWC teams. Oh yea, mixed with Division 2 teams late in the season.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    I'm okay with the Big East, but they would need to change their name since it is going to have a coast-to-coast flavor to it. Maybe the Continental Conference with East and West divisions?

    That's a very good Western division (BYU, Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU and Cincinnati). All have gone to bowl games in the last couple of years and would provide a strong in-conference schedule. I would suppose they'd play a couple of the East teams and then fill in the schedule with those top-tier teams they've been lining up.

    But, as always, BYU would have to remain in control of their game broadcast and re-broadcasts and keep their remaining teams in the WCC.

    My biggest concern is that other conferences are going to be shutting BYU out by refusing to allow their teams to play non-conference opponents during the second half of the season (as the PAC-12 has done as I recall). If that happens, BYU will forever play in late October and November against WAC teams. I'd rather that not happen.

  • longjohn Highland, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    BYU needs to work a deal with the BIG-12, come on BYU get that deal done!BigEast rumor isn't a viable option, and independence is good for now, but is not a good option long term. Being in the same conference in all sports is the way to go and with close BCS conference partners.

  • Band Of Roscoes Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    It would be easier to get a win in the Big East, but Cougar fans wouldn't be able to brag about it. The Big 12 is a better conference than Pac 12, but the Big East is weaker than the MWC.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Sorry, bad idea, it will never fly, and BYU would never accept it. The Big East is either desperate (likely), or has too much time on it's hands (not likely). This idea will go nowhere.

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Chris B,

    But I thought you said no BCS conference wanted BYU? Last time I checked the Big East is a BCS conference and will be all the way up until 2016.....

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    How about you do this. You join the BIG EAST but if they loose AQ status you can leave and be independent again without an exit fee and just one year's notice.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Stay away from the Big East. Please. That'd be worse that independence. Just another silly rumor that the Dnews is more than willing to throw out there.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    How about the next article reads "Byu to the Big Ten?, but only in soccer, water polo and bowling and maybe tennis?"

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:31 p.m.

    flynn is the coolest - Yes Holmoe said his intention is for BYU to play with the big boys and yet his last 3 games he scheduled was Washington State (PAC12), Houston (Conference USA) and Southern Mississippi (Conference USA),

    I know it would be cool to play USC, Notre Dame, Penn State, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Michigan, Oregon, Miami Every year, but if you want home 3 home games and more than 3 wins a season you have to be realistic. Plus it is going to be tough to get any of these teams to play in November because most of them are in conferences games then.

    Holmoe wants 4 local rivalries to be played every year. Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, and Utah State. He wants 3 or 4 big games a year. Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, (Penn State has been Mentioned), etc and then he wants 4 or 5 winnable games a year (Hence the Houston and Southern Miss games scheduled)

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    Wow talk about sloppy seconds or thirds or whatever. Big East!! Ha ha ha ha!!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    How can ANY BYU fan be serious about playing MWC/WAC teams again every year? Independence is WAY better than that.

    The Little East won't retain is BCS status by replacing BCS schools with mid-majors. Even a magician couldn't pull off that trick and fool the BCS cartel.

    The Little East is coming close to losing its AQ status, and will continue to lose its better BCS schools to expansion by the Big 12 and ACC. Rebranding mid-majors as BCS schools won't fly.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:09 p.m.

    Chris B

    LOL at your BYU obsession.

    Congratulations on being the newest member of the big boy conference cellar dweller club.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    Big 12> Indy > New Big LEast. Lets not forget that if this new conference happens, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers, U Conn, and USF will actively be looking for new homes. Any benefits associated with BCS status will either be eaten up in travel costs, or disappear when the AQ status is yanked. Exposure? Don't make me laugh. The BE games are buried, or not televised. Tom Holmoe said his intention is for BYU to play with the big boys (although the current schedule doesn't support this, it will get better) and we all know the not so Big East is not a "big boy" conference.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    This is all ridiculous. Put all of the conferences back to where they were and make a playoff. Keep the regional rivalrys and make people earn a place in the playoffs and then earn a NC.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    If you go to the Big East, make sure they have an auto bid to the BCS or it's another name for the MWC.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 27, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    Chris B


    The dead conference invites BYU and other schools, retains it's BCS status.


    BYU is now in a BCS conference (killing your all but dead prediction record)


    BYU plays, who you feel are inferior teams, but are in a BCS conference (remember all your posts are on the claim that it is better to be in a BCS Conf. no matter were you fit or what your record is), but wins and gets to a BCS game before utes even sniff at another one.


    "Oh its good to be in a "CONTINUING" BCS conference." You tell me? You are now one of the worst teams in the entire BCS.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    "If these outrageous reports have any merit and especially if a United States Senator has done anything inappropriate or unethical to interfere with a decision that the Big 12 had already made then I believe that there should be an investigation in the U.S. Senate, and I will fight to get the truth. West Virginians and the American people deserve to know exactly what is going on and whether politics is interfering with our college sports, he said.


    Cue the "spit-take"...

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    The Big East is a basketball conference. I still don't understand why BYU cannot go to ESPN for help to form a new conference of 10 teams with all teams playing all sports. just get the 9 best football schools still avail. Boise, AFA, Navy, South and Central FL, Louisville, Cinncy, Houston and SMU. That confernce has as much chance of a BCS berth as the Big East. Did you see what Pitt (who got killed by Utah) did to UConn last night? Use BYUtv as a another tier of revenue (be willing to share) until other sources can be found. It would take leadership. Oh, is that a problem?

    Oct. 27, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    BYU still houses concerns about the stability of the Big 12, or the league that may poach the Big East. I'm pretty sure the Big East isn't even on Holmoe's mind.

    For those fans panicking because BYU hasn't jumped up and down like Missouri and TCU saying "pick me," you may be in for a lot worse later when BYU joins the Big 12 only to see it dissolve in five years or moves football to the Big East and loses the exposure they currently enjoy and have no way out. The Big East TV contract is also worth about what the MWC contract was.

    I have my concerns about the longterm viability of Independence but, I also have my concerns about Chris B making it to the next day to grace us with his prescence (you beat the odds every day bro). Neither are likely to change this minute but, both are likely to change longer term. Relax.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    A six team division of BSU, BYU, AF, Cinncinati, Houston and SMU, for football only, sounds like a pretty good group. I am not sure the BCS would take away AQ status if the Big East put together the proposed 12 team package. Several of the teams are already BCS schools and Boise State, BYU and Houston are certainly as strong as other BCS schools. In fact, before all is said and done this year, Boise State could possibly be in the BCS championship game.

    The football only propostion makes it a nice fit for BYU. They stay in the WCC with the strong men's basketball and women's programs.

    If this came together with solid agreements in place, it could work nicely.

    Interesting possibilities.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Dear Mr. Holmoe:

    Why not throw everyone a curve ball and apply for membership in the ACC? After all, Provo is a lost closer to salt water than Blacksburg, Virginia...

    That, or the CFL. Extra guy, extra field, more passing, the Rouge, and I can easily make the 6 hour drive when the Cougs make that road trip to Winnipeg to take on the Blue Bombers!

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    If BYU could get a schedule to play the Western teams every year with a chance of playing in the championship game without playing a 8/9 game schedule I am for it. But there is no reason to Play 4 games against Connecticut, Rutgers, Central Florida, South Florida, Louisville and Navy Every year. With only 3 Non Conference and wanting to play Hawaii, Utah State and Utah there would be no huge games.

    Playing Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, And Cincinnati in conference would allow BYU to continue their rivals and have out of conference games. The biggest negative with Independence is good November games. This fixes that.

    2013 BYU Schedule - Most of this is already scheduled (just filled in with Big East teams)

    At Washington State
    At Air Force
    Bye Week
    at Utah State
    Georgia Tech
    At Houston
    Boise State
    At Notre Dame
    At Hawaii

    You get to play bigs games every year(Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech)
    You get to play Local Rivals (Utah and Utah State)
    And you get a chance to play for a championship game.

    Keep the rest of the sports in WCC

  • emmittroy NAMPA, ID
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    As a BYU alum and Idaho native, I would love to see BYU and Boise St. in the same conference. The Big 12 would be preferable, but this new proposed Conference would not be bad. For both, it would mean auto-AQ. For BYU, it would mean better scheduling during conference game season (no more ISUs!) For Boise, it means getting out of the horrible Mountain West TV deal and a slate of solid to very good football conference foes with no cellar dwellers to drag down their SOS. One benefit for both is that it would be a very winnable conference while still being AQ.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:28 a.m.


    An all but dead conference is picking up the scraps of what no one else wanted.


    But if it happens, congratulations on your "BCS conference" invited.


    That automatic bid will soon be given to the SEC, Big 12, and/or Pac 12.

    Oh its good to be in a "CONTINUING" BCS conference.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    "BYU, Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU and Cincinnati" - how is this an improvement? I guess there are a few positives:

    1. The BCS AQ status is paramount - would get it for a few years guaranteed, and then we'll see if the conference rankings are good enough to hold onto it.
    2. You do keep Boise and AF as regional foes. Would be nice to see San Diego State in here though, for a good road trip...the Texas travel is not great.
    3. You don't have to jump back in bed with some terrible football schools like Wyoming and New Mexico. While this Big East is not great at the top, at least it is not terrible at the bottom.
    4. Scheduling is easier.

    Still, it doesn't look compelling. Had they pulled this off with TCU still in the mix, maybe. As is, stay independent or make a few more concessions to push for the Big 12 (at least that TX/OK travel is worth it).

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Who cares what conference they're in as long as they are a BCS conference! If it is considered weaker than others, so what! Easier trip to the BCS. Besides, no matter what conference they play in, how cool would it be to be in the same league with Boise State. They are a natural rival and they command a lot of respect from the country. Utah who?

  • JeffE Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    @ Vegas - LOL

    While the Big12 is CLEARLY the superior option in terms of football quality, the Big East may be a viable option. The proposed western division would be a step up from the last conference BYU was in, and IF the Big East manages to keep the BCS designation, would be a great set-up to access the top bowls.

  • RichDaddy Logan, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Oh don't. Pleeeaaaasssseee don't. The Big East has become a joke (not one ranked team this week) and likely will not survive as a BCS conference no matter what they do.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    There are so many rumors around conference alignment, I don't know what to believe.

    If something like this happens, BYU should write into the contract that they are free to leave with no penalties (waiting time or money) if the Big East loses its AQ status.

  • RevK Glenwood, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    If theres no invite to the Pac-12 or Big 12 then stay indi.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Anti-BYU troll panic and commentary begins in 3... 2... 1...

    Pile on everyone, it's another trollfest about how irrelevant BYU is. Can't wait for your comments.

    Come on people, send them in now!

    You can't 'Wynn' unless you send them in!

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 27, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Please, just say no to two things: Drugs and the Big East.