Utah Utes report card: Where's the offense?

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  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 24, 2011 11:34 a.m.


    Just want to point out that there is a large difference between my comment where I said "haven't chosen to come" and yours where you say they "don't want to come".

    Haven't is past tense, don't is present tense. The recruiting situation has already improved at the QB position with guys like Travis Wilson committing to the Utes. But obviously that will take time to turn out in our favor.

    Oh, and coaches can try as they will to get a commit, offer them everything, and the kid may still choose another school for many reasons such as parent's desires, friends, etc. Its not as easy to get a commit as you make it seem by saying "If the coaches have recruited poorly, or else have been unable to close the deal with recruits, it is a problem with the coaches."

  • dawg156 RENTON, WA
    Oct. 23, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    little ute fans like CTJ are still delusional. In fact there isn't a single game left that isn't a 'maybe' and I'm sorry, you won't ccompete for the upper half of this conf for at least a decade, and even then, only sporatically at best.

    Further - a lot of you seem to think you'll automatically get better recruiting and make huge strides in the obvious current lack of talent due to the addional $$ coming. Why? All your competitors are getting just as much extra $$ and already have better facilities. You will ALWAYS face a large budget/revenue deficit compared to your bigger rivals (USC,UW, UO with sugar daddy phil, UCLA and ASU). Your days of being dominant are done.

    Don't get me wrong, getting into the PAC was a huge win for the school, but I think your success in football will suffer greatly. Frankly, I don't see a BCS bowl, let alone a Rose Bowl, for at least a decade, maybe longer. Not hating, I'm a Dawg that just saw my team blasted, but this is the ute reality.

  • CTJ fan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    The Utes should be just fine, they should be able to compete in the years to come. Face it the pac12 isn't a power conference when it comes to football, in fact the rest of there games this year may be the easiest remaining schedule in the country. Oregon State is the best team left, they're getting better. But Colorado is horrible, so is washington state, and UCLA and Arizona. If they can't beat atleast 3 of those teams they are a bad football team. I don't think they're that bad so I think they'll go bowling.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter | 1:58 p.m. Oct. 23, 2011
    Highland, UT

    Still boycotting the Cougar articles? 54-10 is so painful to you.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:58 p.m.


    "But to say it is completely a recruiting problem is not fully accurate either. Our coaches have gone after guys like Michael Eubanks with big offers. They just haven't chosen to come to Utah."

    That should tell you something. They don't want to come. And yes that is completely a recruiting problem. If they cannot convince a decent qb recruit to come then it is a major problem. As far as "what is a coach supposed to do"? Well they are supposed to close the deal with recruits. All of utah's problems are directly related to coaching. That is how it is with almost every team. If the coaches have recruited poorly, or else have been unable to close the deal with recruits, it is a problem with the coaches.

    If the offense is terrible it is because either the coaches recruited poorly or else the coaching itself is poor. Or in this case it appears to be both. Terrible recruiting neglect for qb's and the oline as well as a washed up offensive coordinator just trying to milk out a few more paychecks.

    These are long term problems. There are no quick fixes. It's gonna hurt.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    The thing is they wouldn't even of had Hays if Nebraska-Omaha doesn't drop its program. So the recruiting of QB's, or lack thereof, is much more troubling than it even looks...

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Lofty goals, but in order to do that you'll have to out-recruit USC, UCLA, Arizona, and Arizona St. I don't see that happening anytime soon. To win in this conference, it's going to be a lot tougher than it use to be.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    I too find it hard to understand why there has been very shaky QB depth for years at Utah, and why the coaching staff went "all in" on Wynn. It was a gamble that has not paid off. Look at last last season. Look at this season.

    But, to say it is completely a recruiting problem is not fully accurate either, in my opinion. Our coaches have gone after guys like Michael Eubanks with big offers. They just haven't chosen to come to Utah. What is a coach supposed to do about that? Besides, would a freshman or sophomore backup be able to help now?

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    yankees 27 "I think everyone needs to remember that not having Wynn is more than half the reason we're losing these games."

    and not having Christopher is nearly the other half.

    Utah needs more depth on offense.

    But, I still give a very high grade to the defense.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    Disappointing to say the least. I thought that Utah was starting to get their offense on track last week against Pitt but they took two steps back this week. I am again wondering if they will be able to beat anyone besides Colorado and maybe UCLA. I don't see them beating Arizona or WSU.

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    I think everyone needs to remember that not having Wynn is more than half the reason we're losing these games. I agree that the coaches should have prepared better for the possibility of losing Wynn, and obviously Hays wasn't the right choice, but not having a QB who can make any decision is like gifting the defense with a win. And everyone who thinks this is the norm for us in this conference is crazy! We'll have kids coming in who will help, the coaches (hopefully) recognize that playing top caliber talent every week, you need 2nd and 3rd teamers who can play when needed and be ready when called upon. Playing against the New Mexico's and UNLV's you could get away with rusty backups, but we can't anymore! We will win the south and play for the PAC12 championship within 3 years.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    The formula to beat Utah is out in the open since the Utah offense is on injury leave.
    How to beat Utah...
    1.) Don't let the Utah defense score. Better to punt the ball than let Utah force turnovers.
    2.) Extra field time for Utah's offense won't hurt. Better than Utah's defense on the field.
    Reminds me of the big hitter that no one will pitch to.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    Oct. 23, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    C'mon Ute fans!

    Don't do the same thing to your football program that you have done with your basketball program!

    Don't get down on them because they had a bad game. They need your support.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    Everybody keeps tooting Chow's horn but, really, since he was at USC what has he really showed as far as his "offensive genius" goes?

    Tennessee Titans = nothing.

    UCLA = nothing

    Last six or seven years = nothing.

    Place the blame on the players if you want, but the coaching staff as a whole (as shown in this game) = 0.00.

  • ATC Stockton, CA
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:39 a.m.

    Laser I agree, Cal discovered the winning formula, and unless Hays can manage to not turn the ball over, and the O-line learns how to block teams are going to keep doing the same thing

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:28 a.m.

    The Utes chance to make noise and build depth in a legit conference had to start this year. Their momentum from before could have been used to propel them up with the advantages they now have. Now, I am not sure the Utes do have anything.

    After years of competing without the benefits of BCS money and exposure, it was vital to represent well the first year. Recruits will be lost from the program because it will be widely viewed as a joke.

    Not having a legitimate recruit at QB in case Wynn went down was inexcusable.

    I love the depth at Defensive Line. Kyle is a defensive guy. But to not give your offense under Chow, a chance to succeed is disgraceful.

    I don't need to go. I don't want heads to roll. I will support my Utes regardless. That said, I might be supporting a 6-6 team each year. I am afraid the Utes blew their window and will stink for years to come.

    I am down.

    I will keep showing up loud at home and trying to believe. The Ute team looks to me to be lacking belief. I hope Kyle hasn't lost his team.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Oct. 23, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    Come on people, I think CU is on the schedule and they just score two points at home against Oregon. So I'll go out on a limb and say Utah beats the Buffs.

    As far as the grade goes, I would give the team a Z minus if that was possible.

    Very disappointing game. I have also posted that it is quite unbelievable that the coaches would have been in such a fragile state with their QB's to start the season. While I believe Coach Whittingham is one of the best coaches in the country overall, this was a huge blunder which can't be sugar coated.

    I still see Utah beating CU, UCLA and if the Utes can either beat AZ, WAZZU or Oregon State I think 6-6 is still in the works. End the end maybe 7-5 is most likely but also a likely a common future record for the Utes in the PAC-12.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    After Cal showed the rest of the PAC 12 how to beat Utah, I don't see another win on the schedule, maybe WSU.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 22, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    The entire team gets an F.

    The coaching staff should have known that Cal would put 8-10 in the box and force Hays to beat them. Hays looked absoultly horrendous.

    I had us going 8-4. But I think we can easily lose to @Arizona seeing how the dismantled UCLA and @Washington State looks more, and more loss. Even 6-6 looks questionable.

    I have no idea how Kyle could go into a PAC-12 season with an injury prone QB and not a single division one QB as backup.