Utah short of workers or work ethic?

Attorney General, legal immigrant square off on Utah's guest worker bill

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  • DavidNichols Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    Hello my Fellow "Saints" over forty thousand Hispanic's now lie dead at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border where I.C.E. Deported/Dumped hundreds of thousands of good hard working "Human Beings" many away from their legal Citizen Children, with nothing, not even water , into a known "Drug War", to be killed, or to die of the elements.
    My Fellow "Saints", who is better us or Hitler?

    "Choose the right", this is Fact!

    For those saying: No Amnesty, I hope your Maker gives you a Little Amnesty?


    Come unto Me.

    There won't be any trumpets blowing.

  • DavidNichols Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    What is a "Latter-Day Saint"?

    Do unto others as you would have done to yourselve's.

  • DavidNichols Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 23, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Is Utah short of "Latter-Day Saints."

    Poor in Mexico have had little choice of how to migrate to the U.S., Visas for poor are non existent. Visas are mainly for property owners and wealthy.

    In 1986 The great President Ronald Reagan facing a similar National Debt. did two things,he lowered Taxes, and he granted Amnesty to nearly three million Good Hard Working Immigrants, over the following thirty two years approx:12 million more non documented Immigrants came to America to work Hard in hope of someday being part of "The American Dream."

    This Thirty two year period was the most Prosperous period in Total U.S. History, until the January 2008 Start of the I.C.E. Deportations, and This "The Worst Recession in U.S. History."

    A very, wise 1840's French Historian Said:
    "America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."
    Alex DeTocqeuville

    A very wise Gallalean said:
    "Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone."

    Ripping Good Parents from their legal Citizen Children, Dumping them at the Harsh U.S. Border into a "Drug War", is not Good!

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    There would be plenty of AMERICANS lining up to take all these jobs if they paid more than slave wages. For a single person to live any decent kind of life they need to be making $25,000/yr... that's $12/hr. Anything less than that is poverty wages.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    Oct. 19, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    Federal law ALREADY has guest worker programs, H2-A for seasonal agricultural workers (no cap) and H2-B for other unskilled workers. The Utah law is an end run around this program and is intended to reward those who have been breaking federal law--illegal aliens and the farmers who hire them.

    Oct. 19, 2011 4:58 a.m.

    Construction and service industries have no problem hiring people when they pay a fair wage. The American worker is not lazy, American business however wants cheaper labor.

    More workers, less jobs, pay goes down
    More jobs, less workers, pay goes up
    Bringing in more workers assures that wages will always stay down.

  • MyChildrensKeeper Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 19, 2011 4:28 a.m.

    Grateful? For What? Seasonal and illegal workers is why our economy is what it is and why we have a 25% unemployment and why welfare and services and education is falling apart at the seams. Work ethics has noting to do with being legal or illegal, work ethics is about work for your independence from government.

    The master/slave relationship is already programmed into the Hispanics and Latino's and they accept it as their fate. Well, Americans don't have to accept a master/slave environment, this is why Americans are being exploited so 50 million illegal foreign nationals in this country can destroy individuals rights.

    Work ethics is also about employers exploiting and treating all workers as an enemy and will do everything in their power to keep them in poverty so they can't and don't have the "Will" to organize and demand better treatment or wages. We Americans have the skills, motivation, and ideas that built this country and made corporate america rich, but oppression, suppression, and greed are the new industry. Corporate America no longer gets wealth from producing or economic growth, their wealth comes from manipulation, exploitation, and debt.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Oct. 18, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    Let's remove the "work" from the title and just ask if some Utahns are short of ethics.

    I don't support door to door, not when E-verify and self deportation laws will do the job. A person here for 10 or 20 years, that never has tried to become legal, doesn't want to be American, and has milked our system enough.

    Representative Wright has spent very little time on the farm the past 20 years, since he became a legislature. I thought his "Dairies" purpose was breeding and supplying the profession with livestock.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    The work ethic and hard work by so many Latinos commendable, even those here illegally.

    However, we should not relax enforcement of our immigration laws just to provide workers.

    Instead, we should look at our welfare systems which encourage able bodied men and women to decide that they rather collect a check for doing nothing than to toil in the fields in the hot sun. The rule should be: "If offered a job, the eligibility for welfare ends immediately, and permanently." What was started as a safety net has become a hammock for too many.

    And, if employers rather hire Latinos who are here LEGALLY instead of American citizens, that is their free choice to do so depending on who will provide the best labor for their needs at the price they want to pay.

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    Drop all the cushy welfare benefits and these folks will learn to work hard eventually. It's pretty pathethic that americans can't handle hard work, but having no easy safety net to fall back on can be pretty motivating. As Leo Tolstoy said "My inspiration was my desperation."

  • RyanWhiting OREM, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    I am grateful for the hard work these seasonal workers give. I think there needs to be some good legislation made that will encourage legal work visas and give incentives for business, farms, etc. to hire those that come here legally. If we can foster a legal system that helps promote legal workers that would be encouraging and beneficial for our state. I hope we can act first and lead the nation in a solution to these vexing immigration problems.