BYUtv tells story of the King James Bible in 'Fires of Faith'

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  • sharrona layton, UT
    Oct. 18, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    Bill in Nebraska, doxology is used consistently throughout the Bible. Not in Mt 6:13 KJV.

    Dr. Larsons conclusion. The MS discoveries since the KJV have provided a much better understanding of the Sermon on the Mount. Greek MS 200 A.D. thru Latin, Syriac, Coptic and patristic early support, which leads to the original text. These are earlier and better texts of Matthews Sermon on the Mount. There is unanimity support by modern scholars, but The BoM never takes us to a verifiable text in antiquity.
    Simply put, there 12 more examples where JS copied the errors of Sermon on the Mount in the KJV/3Nephi.

    @Bill said CHARITY as highest, noblest, strongest kind of love. Wrong,

    The Greek word (agape,25) is often translated "love" in the N T. "agape love" is different from other types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice Nor does agape mean CHARITY, a term which the K JV translators carried over from the Latin(caritas). Agape love is unique and is distinguished by its nature and character. Agape is love which is of and from God, whose very nature is love itself. JS misunderstood the KJV.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Oct. 17, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    Sharrona again you use someone who in their opinion you use as fact. Again you miss a very important aspect as the LDS version of the Bible denotes CHARITY as highest, noblest, strongest kind of love. So if we take, as noted in the Moroni, look at as Charity (High love)is the pure love of Christ. It is a description of what Charity is thus there is nothing unusual about it. Again if you look at Hebrew versus Greek it makes perfect sense.

    Also,doxology is used consistently throughout the Bible. Thus if that is then it would appear to be the correct translation versus the more and sometimes modern one that you want to use. Therefore, it appears that you are hung up on a translation and basing the solely on you Christian Faith versus reading what the scripture actually says.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    @Bill in Nebraska, I really don't understand why you continue to try and get people to feel that the translation of the Book of Mormon is from the greek. If you are trying to prove that all Joseph Smith did was rewrite the Bible into the Book of Mormon, that is pretty farfetch. JS copied parts.

    Stan Larson a Ph.D in New testament Studies a former LDS Church translator. A great portion of 3 Nephi seems to be "borrowed and lifted" from the KJV Bible. Larson also found that III Nephi holds exactly the same sort of errors that are unique to the 1769 version of the KJV Bible Joseph Smith owned.

    Mt 6:13 KJV and 3Nephi 13:13 Both have the doxology, For thine is he Kingdom and power and the glory forever amen. The KJV is based on 9th to 12th century texts. Earlier and better manuscripts do not contain the doxology. Only One example.

    Also the Love Chapter; 1 Corinthians 13 KJV*. *Charity(love)never fails( 1Cor 13:8 NIV) or Faith hope and *charity(love)(1 Corinthians 13:13 NIV). VS Moroni 7:47.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Oct. 17, 2011 12:21 p.m.

    Sharrona: I really don't understand why you continue to try and get people to feel that the translation of the Book of Mormon is from the greek. It has already been told to you many times that the Book of Mormon was written in Reformed Egyptian.

    If you are trying to prove that all Joseph Smith did was rewrite the Bible into the Book of Mormon, that is pretty farfetched.

    As Joseph Smith stated and I reinterate: "And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father--That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God."

    This is the true essence of it all. You much read the entire Chapter you quoted to get the true meaning of the word Charity.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Trent Toone,

    AWESOME!! Thanks

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    @Resistance Increased my understanding of people on both sides of the issue. That is always a good thing,OK.

    Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.(1John 3:16 KJV)God on the cross. I like this translation, Do you agree?

    John 16:7 comforter(parakletos)Holy Spirit, corresponds to Menahem Hebrew name for the Messiah.

    The "Right Hand" is only figurative/symbolic and not literal Right hand means power and authority." Your right hand, O LORD(YAHWEH), was majestic in power. Your right hand, O LORD(YAHWEH), shattered the enemy. (Exodus 15:6)". "I have set the LORD always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. (Psalm 16:8)"

    Moroni 7:47 . "But charity(love) is the pure love of Christ . Makes no sense in the original Greek. Charity, mid-12c.,benevolence for the poor," caritas from the Latin Vulgate often used as translation of Greek, agape "love". Charity is the Latin translation of agape(love).

  • eagle651 Chino Valley, AZ
    Oct. 17, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Just wonderful see to this kind of the spiritual history about the KJV Bible.
    The writers, historians and producers have produced a great work for all to see.
    Looking forward to part two and the future DVDs.

    The only negative: the advertising during the showing was distracting.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 17, 2011 9:31 a.m.

    If you can't sleep, this is a great thing to put you to sleep...I love the message, but it was just too monotone, I couldn't stay awake to see much of it, will try again.

  • Trent Toone
    Oct. 17, 2011 12:54 a.m.

    For those wondering, you can stream each episode as it airs live on BYUtv at Once each episode is broadcast you can view it online at anytime. DVDs should be available early next year.

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 11:16 p.m.

    Hopefully this will be broadcasted online for us to watch...?

  • Resistance Lehi, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    Loved the show. Increased my understanding of people on both sides of the issue. That is always a good thing.

  • Penguin Inc. Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 16, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Wow, this looks to me like a terrific body of work.

  • region1fan Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    I have been so excited to see this show. It is so sad they cut it up with all the previews of other programming. It would have been so much better without all of the interuptions.

  • Aggie lover LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    I set my dvr to record the series and cannot wait to watch. It is events and things like this that make you excited to live another day with your family. Thanks BYUTV!

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    Oct. 16, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    The Christian relgion has done more good in the world then any other force. Yes there are chruch's that claim to follow christ but hide behind the bible to do evil. How ever more people have died from the writings of Marx and Ingels and Modern Progressives then ever in the history of the world.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Oct. 16, 2011 3:47 p.m.


    That's a mighty strong accusation against the KJV version of the bible. Care to present your evidences of proof? Which one is the most correct version? Besides, if you care to go back and re-read Kirk R Graves's reply to Hutterhite, you will learn that books don't cause strife.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    KJV is a poor translation. I don't know how the mormon church stands by this version - this version is the cause of much strife amoung Christians.

  • hc1951 Bend, OR
    Oct. 16, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    I can't WAIT for the series to begin tonight! I must "Facebook" the rest of my friends & family to watch with me! Gentlemen; information is just that, "information". It's what we choose to DO with it that makes the difference in our lives and those around us.

  • amst plano, tx
    Oct. 16, 2011 11:40 a.m.

    English bible is important in American history. Reason being it was a book that everyone could legally have and use this permitted a much wider range and percentage of people to learn to read and write. History is cool!

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    Oct. 16, 2011 11:29 a.m.

    Very excellent project!!

    I continue to pray that my family and all LDS will trust the message of the Bible as God's infallible Word of Truth. Understanding the differences between the Biblical gospel and my Mormon faith brought me to a fantastic spiritual rebirth many years ago. My family was anguished, but we still love each other deeply.

    Healing this doctrinal rift would unite us again in Peter's "one Lord, one faith, one baptism".

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Hutterite, the depth of the inanity of your above statement is beyond measure.

  • Kirk R Graves West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    @Hutterite, I wonder if you realize just how ridiculous that statement makes you sound. First, a book cannot cause misery. People can use a book as an excuse for doing horrible things, but the book itself is not capable of causing anything. Second, the bible in general has an overriding theme of goodness and love. How exactly can that cause human suffering? Third, the KJV was translated in the 1600s. Funny enough, when you look at the history of religious abuse (using religion as an excuse to do bad things), you could easily mark that time period as when things like that started dying off (no, they never stopped, but then, humans are and always will be humans).

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 16, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Wow! I am so thrilled that this series has been produced. Too many have very little understanding of the great sacrifice made by inspired men, to bring holy writ to the masses. It will be my prayer that this film will be viewed by many.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 15, 2011 10:02 p.m.

    From the look of the photo, Luther was still using a dot matrix printer. Poor guy; he had to put up with the noise. As for the KJV, my feeling is that it's enabled more human misery than 'mein kampf'.

  • tyndale1 Pullman, WA
    Oct. 15, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    This story of the many sacrifices necessary to break the stranglehold of the Dark Ages is powerful. I am indebted to and grateful for men like William Tyndale and John Wyclife who did what they felt needed to be done for all mankind. They gave their lives, and I for one am very grateful.