To "CHS 85 | 4:11 p.m." I am ok with the closed door meetings among a
private organizations, which include Political Parties. If the GOP or DNC has a
meeting with their members, why is it your business to know what they said? The
final bill was presented to Legislature, the bill was done in public, and you
could have contacted you representative to voice your concerns.If
you read the story "GOP lawmakers defend closed-door redistricting
meetings" in the DN, the Redistricting Comittee meetings were open to the
public, and were not closed door.Again, by wanting to know the
details of the private meeting between GOP members is going too far.Do we make all draft versions of all the bills public knowledge?
@RedShirtSo government in secret is okay with you? Tell me which
lobbyists are in those closed-door meetings? Is the Eagle Forum in there? You
don't know and neither do I because we are shut out. Public business should be
done in public. Period.
I still don't see what the problem is. Did the Democrats not get a chance to
propose boundaries? The article states that the final boundaries were voted on
by the Legislature. Were Democrats prevented from commenting during the bill's
time on the floor?It sure sounds like a bunch of kids whining that
they can't win because their point of view doesn't correspond with the majority
At least the article states, House Republicans conceded last week that they
discussed in the closed caucuses ways to configure districts to heavily favor
GOP candidates. What is interesting is, But they said that is not a driving
factor behind any decisions. Whether it was a driving factor or not, if those
items were discussed, that is why they closed the doors. They were not HONEST
nor have INTEGRITY and those that vote for this type of system to exist should
not be part of Government, which is supposed to be for the safety and welfare of
From the article, Republicans, who own a majority in the House and Senate, say
the once-a-decade redistricting process has had unprecedented public
involvement. The House is wondering why there is more public involvement this
year? It is not just the President with his pushing Congress to pass marginal
approved laws that got people involved, but the GRAMA law process last year,
with the same leadership as now. It is not just a one party issue but an
INTEGRITY issue. Anything goes when it comes to personal wants with those in
charge of the House and the Utah GOP combining forces. It is
not just Democrats wondering why the article states, Republicans are drawing
lines to favor Wimmer and Rep. Dave Clark, R-Santa Clara, who is contemplating a
run for Congress. Why are they doing it behind closed doors when it should be a
public process? It is to cover the real purpose of those secret meetings. That
is why the public through the Legislative modified GRAMA bill out the door with
pressure on the Governor from the same County as the House and GOP leader.
Step 1: Give stern warning publically while privately interview a lawyerStep 2: Cry foul publically while determining a finalist in the lawyer
searchStep 3: Publicly offer words of hope and ask the other side to
compromise while privately hiring a lawyerStep 4: Review the plans and
give a stern warning in open view of the public while privately having a drink
with the new lawyerStep 5: Offer the public a gerrymandered plan that
fakes openness and accountability, that will be defeated, and give notes to
lawyerStep 6: Say the word litigation publically, cry conspiracy and
violation of the law, and play the role of hapless victim while having the
lawyer privately draw up the complaintStep 7: Cry foul and bring out the
lawyers supporters who will threaten and obstruct any meeting because that is
what the supporters do. Privately high five lawyerStep 8: Delay, deny, and
obstruct. Call lawyer to file complaint with the court.Step 9: Sue. Step 10: Pretend to be worried about the voters. Play the role of martyr.Elections have consequences. The minority party has a voice, but it has
no decision making power. Solution? Win elections.
This is happening in Maryland as well. Maryland is heavily Democrat. My
district once had a Republican representative, Connie Morella. She is a
Republican like Maine's senators - in most states she would be a Democrat.
Still, I agreed with her more than her successor. After the 2000 census,
Maryland redrew the map, split my town up in ways that don't make any sense
except politically, and Connie lost the election. We now have 6 Democrats and 2
Republicans in the US House. Our very liberal Democrat governor has suggested
two maps - one makes it nearly impossible for one of the Republicans to retain
his seat, the other takes a serious swipe at both Republicans. Both maps look
like they were thrown into a blender for a few seconds. The maps follow no
economic, geographic or social boundaries, but do a great job of carving up
right-leaning areas into small enough slices to be swallowed up by larger
left-leaning areas.Many states use non-partisan committees. I think
that should be the norm.
How about we look at some other states and see how they do it - like CA, or
Illinois or NY? Maybe they would give us an idea on how to do it fairly - right?
Redistricting has become completely politicized to keep those in power in power,
and to redraw future legislative maps to favor certain candidates.
If you look at these new maps, all I see and you will too, is that they are
pushing their agenda again and ignoring the will of the people of Utah, Salt
Lake County may want a Do-nut hole district, but that would stop equal
representation, which is a big part of Utah. I have been writing to all my state
legislators to back the map proposed by Senator McAdams of Salt Lake. It is fair
and balanced. However it has been swept under the rug because he's a Democrat.
It seam the voice of the people has been ignored again.
I don't think the lady from Provo understands Democracy. Fighting on the front
lawn is exactly what is required. Secret meetings that affect redistricting is
Just Plain Wrong.
The Utah GOP have a large majority in this State. But, remember
earlier this year when the Utah GOP passed, and Gov. Herbert signed into law, a
bill that shielded the lawmaker's emails, text messages, etc. from the public,
along with making it more difficult for the public to access public records?
They were trying to revise GRAMA. It was through petitions that the people of
Utah made Gov. Herbert repeal that terrible bill. Now, the GOP is at
it again. They are rigging the redistricting in order to see that only more GOP
candidates get elected. Is this really the way we want out State run? I sure