Democrats file open-records request to see inside closed GOP redistricting meetings

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 14, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    To "CHS 85 | 4:11 p.m." I am ok with the closed door meetings among a private organizations, which include Political Parties. If the GOP or DNC has a meeting with their members, why is it your business to know what they said? The final bill was presented to Legislature, the bill was done in public, and you could have contacted you representative to voice your concerns.

    If you read the story "GOP lawmakers defend closed-door redistricting meetings" in the DN, the Redistricting Comittee meetings were open to the public, and were not closed door.

    Again, by wanting to know the details of the private meeting between GOP members is going too far.

    Do we make all draft versions of all the bills public knowledge?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 4:11 p.m.


    So government in secret is okay with you? Tell me which lobbyists are in those closed-door meetings? Is the Eagle Forum in there? You don't know and neither do I because we are shut out. Public business should be done in public. Period.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    I still don't see what the problem is. Did the Democrats not get a chance to propose boundaries? The article states that the final boundaries were voted on by the Legislature. Were Democrats prevented from commenting during the bill's time on the floor?

    It sure sounds like a bunch of kids whining that they can't win because their point of view doesn't correspond with the majority of Utah.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    At least the article states, House Republicans conceded last week that they discussed in the closed caucuses ways to configure districts to heavily favor GOP candidates. What is interesting is, But they said that is not a driving factor behind any decisions. Whether it was a driving factor or not, if those items were discussed, that is why they closed the doors. They were not HONEST nor have INTEGRITY and those that vote for this type of system to exist should not be part of Government, which is supposed to be for the safety and welfare of society.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    From the article, Republicans, who own a majority in the House and Senate, say the once-a-decade redistricting process has had unprecedented public involvement. The House is wondering why there is more public involvement this year? It is not just the President with his pushing Congress to pass marginal approved laws that got people involved, but the GRAMA law process last year, with the same leadership as now. It is not just a one party issue but an INTEGRITY issue. Anything goes when it comes to personal wants with those in charge of the House and the Utah GOP combining forces.

    It is not just Democrats wondering why the article states, Republicans are drawing lines to favor Wimmer and Rep. Dave Clark, R-Santa Clara, who is contemplating a run for Congress. Why are they doing it behind closed doors when it should be a public process? It is to cover the real purpose of those secret meetings. That is why the public through the Legislative modified GRAMA bill out the door with pressure on the Governor from the same County as the House and GOP leader.

  • Andrew J. Marksen Deseret, UT
    Oct. 13, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    Step 1: Give stern warning publically while privately interview a lawyer
    Step 2: Cry foul publically while determining a finalist in the lawyer search
    Step 3: Publicly offer words of hope and ask the other side to compromise while privately hiring a lawyer
    Step 4: Review the plans and give a stern warning in open view of the public while privately having a drink with the new lawyer
    Step 5: Offer the public a gerrymandered plan that fakes openness and accountability, that will be defeated, and give notes to lawyer
    Step 6: Say the word litigation publically, cry conspiracy and violation of the law, and play the role of hapless victim while having the lawyer privately draw up the complaint
    Step 7: Cry foul and bring out the lawyers supporters who will threaten and obstruct any meeting because that is what the supporters do. Privately high five lawyer
    Step 8: Delay, deny, and obstruct. Call lawyer to file complaint with the court.
    Step 9: Sue.
    Step 10: Pretend to be worried about the voters. Play the role of martyr.

    Elections have consequences. The minority party has a voice, but it has no decision making power. Solution? Win elections.

  • Paul in MD Montgomery Village, MD
    Oct. 13, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    This is happening in Maryland as well. Maryland is heavily Democrat. My district once had a Republican representative, Connie Morella. She is a Republican like Maine's senators - in most states she would be a Democrat. Still, I agreed with her more than her successor. After the 2000 census, Maryland redrew the map, split my town up in ways that don't make any sense except politically, and Connie lost the election. We now have 6 Democrats and 2 Republicans in the US House. Our very liberal Democrat governor has suggested two maps - one makes it nearly impossible for one of the Republicans to retain his seat, the other takes a serious swipe at both Republicans. Both maps look like they were thrown into a blender for a few seconds. The maps follow no economic, geographic or social boundaries, but do a great job of carving up right-leaning areas into small enough slices to be swallowed up by larger left-leaning areas.

    Many states use non-partisan committees. I think that should be the norm.

    Oct. 13, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    How about we look at some other states and see how they do it - like CA, or Illinois or NY? Maybe they would give us an idea on how to do it fairly - right?

  • ricardogould RENO, NV
    Oct. 13, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    Redistricting has become completely politicized to keep those in power in power, and to redraw future legislative maps to favor certain candidates.

    Oct. 12, 2011 10:35 p.m.

    If you look at these new maps, all I see and you will too, is that they are pushing their agenda again and ignoring the will of the people of Utah, Salt Lake County may want a Do-nut hole district, but that would stop equal representation, which is a big part of Utah. I have been writing to all my state legislators to back the map proposed by Senator McAdams of Salt Lake. It is fair and balanced. However it has been swept under the rug because he's a Democrat. It seam the voice of the people has been ignored again.

  • mosesfourone SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Oct. 12, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    I don't think the lady from Provo understands Democracy. Fighting on the front lawn is exactly what is required. Secret meetings that affect redistricting is Just Plain Wrong.

  • Beenlistening CENTRAL, UT
    Oct. 12, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    The Utah GOP have a large majority in this State.

    But, remember earlier this year when the Utah GOP passed, and Gov. Herbert signed into law, a bill that shielded the lawmaker's emails, text messages, etc. from the public, along with making it more difficult for the public to access public records? They were trying to revise GRAMA. It was through petitions that the people of Utah made Gov. Herbert repeal that terrible bill.

    Now, the GOP is at it again. They are rigging the redistricting in order to see that only more GOP candidates get elected. Is this really the way we want out State run? I sure don't!