Blue roundup: All eyes on Missouri

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 4, 2011 7:57 a.m.


    "You guys talk like you can't wait to get in a conference and that the invitation to the big12 is imminent. It's interesting...independence not so great after all?"

    The fact of the matter is that however you boil it down BYU is being considered and will likely get the invite. That is something that several of you anti-BYU types said would never happen.

    "... independence not so great after all?"

    Well at 3-2, Cougars have had two disappointing losses.

    What does it feel like losing your first 2 conference games in the glorious Pac10.2 and your starting QB? Feel like a 'doormat' yet?

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    Utahhater "BYU will get better recruits"

    How do you figure that?

    You could make a case that BYU improved its recruiting by being able to drop its line about "independent. play anywhere in the nation. on ESPN every week". If BYU joins the Big 12, none of that is true anymore.

    While BYU games could be found (at least in replay) on BYUtv, BYU would be on national channels far less than today. Who is the typical BYU recruit? An LDS kid playing Utah high school ball who wants to go on a mission. That level of talent did well in the WAC and MWC, but won't get far at a higher level of football.

    Joining the Big 12 doesn't suddenly open up Texas recuiting. It's not like there is some vast pocket of Mormon football talent in Texas that all these years have been commited to UT or TAMU, but now want to become Cougars.

    Utah can do better in the Pac 12 than BYU could do in the Big 12, because Utah can recruit against the league.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Predictions of rose bowl, bcs game and all are gone. Time to hope the y doesn't go Big12, then there would be zero to comment on. I hope it happens to just stop and play the games.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    ...oh the agony.

  • el oso 87 COLLINSVILLE, OK
    Oct. 3, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    So will Utah now request a season ending series with the Cougs? If BYU takes ATM's place in the Big 12 schedule then they will be playing the Texas Longhorns as the last game of the conference season. They are at least a big step up compared to Colorado. In some seasons, like this one, there is no doubt that the relevance of that final game would be enormously different. The final Texas game will almost certainly have BCS bowl implications. The UT vs. CO match-up will have Las Vegas bowl implications at best.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 2:46 p.m.


    Not necessarily is that true that Utah would be for sure, you open the door for a new conference they can leave anyone they want out.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Oct. 3, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Since BYU is clearly the top (attainable) target for the Big 12, I think it would make sense for them to only expand in one direction. Reaching far out to grab WVU just doesn't make sense to me. Add BYU, AFA and TCU. The first two bring national fanbases and don't cut much into recruiting grounds. TCU is great in football and baseball, and though they don't expand the footprint or bring new markets, they add some strength to the conference. The three together give you new markets, stability at 12, and keep the footprint reasonable. From there, divide the divisions East/West to maintain balance:

    West: BYU, AFA, TT, Baylor, OU, OSU
    East: UT, TCU, KU, KSU, UM, ISU

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 3, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence:

    "...another BYU article with many of the comments by insecure U trolls"

    There you go again...accusing UTAH fans as being the insecure ones. For the past MONTH, EVERY article about the Big XII's imminent expansion (or demise) have been filled with Y fans touting their invitation already in hand. And that includes THIS one [re: WhatsInItForMe's "BYU (reportedly already offered, but awaiting...)"], DESPITE the article clearly stating, "Rumors ran rampant last week that Brigham Young and the conference had come to an agreement, a story denied by both sides." So despite THIS article, the Big TeX, AND the Y ALL denying an agreement had been reached, your fans STILL promote themselves otherwise.

    Now THAT's some SERIOUS "insecurity" on the cougars' part. Own it!

    P.S.: Utah has nothing to feel insecure about. No matter what happens, we're in the Pac-12. If college football migrates to superconferences, no matter what happens, Utah is in. You guys on the other hand....not so much. Even if you DO get into the Big TeX, if superconferences come to pass, the Big TeX will be raided, and there's no assurances you won't be left behind. Like Iowa State.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    There seem to be some Ute fans that are a little scared that BYU might get a Big 12 invite, that would mean BYU and Utah are back to what it use to be, where BYU is still the big brother, BYU will get better recruits, because seriously who wouldn't rather play in Big 12 country, the Pac 12 conference of use to be champions really isn't that prestigious anymore.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    This is the first time I've heard anyone proposing SDSU get into the Big 12 (or Big 14). That's humorous to me. They have a so-so football program and are sore losers when they don't win. They're perfect MWC material. They need to play the likes of New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV and others on a regular basis so they can win a few games.

    As far as a conference spanning the entire continent, who honestly believes that an economic reality for any conference? All the BIG 12 needs is their members to commit to staying together. TCU willingly bolted from the MWC so why wouldn't they do the same thing from the Big 12? Besides, they've already committed to the Big East, that is if their word is any good. That seems to be the real issue with the Big 12 at the moment.

    For those bashing BYU's possibility of joining the Big 12 instead of remaining independent, you all probably just love O'Bama, and his tremendous economic leadership, too.

  • Pac12Proud SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    You guys talk like you can't wait to get in a conference and that the invitation to the big12 is imminent. It's interesting...independence not so great after all?

    Would be fun to watch Texas and byu impose their rules on each other.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    This is all very silly...BYU will remain independent rather than sacrificing its rights to the conference for 6 years. The Big12 will remain around but will continue to be unstable; there are too many big guys in the conference for them to just get along...

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    @ Vegas,

    What does TCU bring to the table that Louisville doesn't?


    - another team that can beat you
    - another Texas team that competes for recruits
    - another Texas team that doesn't add new eyes for TV
    - a school that offers nothing outside of football prowess to the conference

    Louisville offers more new TV eyes, better all-around sports, etc.

    Don't know why people keep touting TCU. Football is its only calling card, and a Joker at that!

  • Vegas Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    For BYU it doesn't matter if Mizzou stays or goes as it appears they are at the top of the short expansion list.

    I personally don't see the appeal of the 16 team superconferences. The amount of revenue brought in isn't that much more than a 12 team, OOC games will be harder to schedule, and there will still be a conference championship game with 12. I think Larry Scott knows this and that's why the PAC didn't take the big 4 B12 teams earlier in the month. 16 is more of a hindrance than a help. To WhatsInIt, 14 isn't any better than 12 either. If the B12 can poach a couple of teams from the Big East (hopefully TCU and WVU) it'll keep the conference strong (they're still the second best football conference in the country).

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Best teams (in order) for the B12 to expand:

    1. Notre Dame (fat chance, UNLESS the BE doesn't remain available for their other sports)
    2. BYU (reportedly already offered, but awaiting fallout resolutions)
    3. Pitt (oops; they waited too long)
    4. Louisville (Eastern time zone)
    5. Cincinnati (state of Ohio; Eastern time zone)
    6. West Virginia (especially if losing Missouri to SEC; Eastern time zone)
    7. Air Force (better hurry! BE wants them)
    8. SDSU (Southern California recruiting area; decent in several sports; also, Pacific time zone)
    9. Boise State (pretty iffy; only has football to offer)

    To get to 14 (keeping Missouri), must add BYU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Va, and either AFA or SDSU.

    Boise State just isn't BCS school quality, outside of their FB team, which shouldn't really be enough to make them viable. Even though football is driving everything, it isn't everything.

    Forget TCU, SMU, and Houston. Texas and Texas Tech don't want recruiting the competition in that state. Besides, they all have the same issues as Boise State.

    Note that at 14 with these teams (if SDSU is included), the B12 ("Big 14") would span ALL mainland U.S. time zones!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    either way, i have to expect an invite will come BYU's way shortly. And I hope it does.....Texas and BYU deserve each other.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    The ONLY chance the B12 has of remaining a BCS conference for the distant future is to expand to 14 immediately (they own the "Big 14" moniker). Naturally, not all teams will enter conference membership immediately, but the offers and acceptances must come right away.

    That'll quell 16-team superconference talk for a very long time, because five 12-team (Pac, B1G) and 14-team (ACC, SEC, B12) BCS conferences will be the norm.

    The Big East will cease to be a BCS AQ football conference, competing with the MWC and C-USA for BCS bowl slots, due the the losses of its top BCS schools and having to bring mid-majors into it.

    This is also the best way to keep Missouri in the Big12.

    If the B12 DOESN'T expand to 14, then it'll get pilfered again when the Pac-12, B1G, ACC, and SEC all go to 16.

    And, BYU's only chance of getting into a BCS conference is if it remains five 12 to 14-team conferences.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    A plea to the powers that be: please just get this done! Not sure why we should even care, but this seems to be dragging on forever. Rumors flying everywhere and media-driven stories to keep us on pins and needles. My only fear is that BYU will wait too long and be too coy in its new-found independence and not be picked up by one of the super conferences. Still hoping that the Bix XII (less III) will add BYU, TCU, and Air Force to the league.