@pac10.2pride"You guys talk like you can't wait to get in a
conference and that the invitation to the big12 is imminent. It's
interesting...independence not so great after all?"The fact of
the matter is that however you boil it down BYU is being considered and will
likely get the invite. That is something that several of you anti-BYU types said
would never happen."... independence not so great after
all?"Well at 3-2, Cougars have had two disappointing losses.What does it feel like losing your first 2 conference games in the
glorious Pac10.2 and your starting QB? Feel like a 'doormat' yet?
Utahhater "BYU will get better recruits"How do you figure
that?You could make a case that BYU improved its recruiting by being
able to drop its line about "independent. play anywhere in the nation. on
ESPN every week". If BYU joins the Big 12, none of that is true
anymore.While BYU games could be found (at least in replay) on
BYUtv, BYU would be on national channels far less than today. Who is the
typical BYU recruit? An LDS kid playing Utah high school ball who wants to go
on a mission. That level of talent did well in the WAC and MWC, but won't get
far at a higher level of football.Joining the Big 12 doesn't
suddenly open up Texas recuiting. It's not like there is some vast pocket of
Mormon football talent in Texas that all these years have been commited to UT or
TAMU, but now want to become Cougars.Utah can do better in the Pac
12 than BYU could do in the Big 12, because Utah can recruit against the league.
Predictions of rose bowl, bcs game and all are gone. Time to hope the y doesn't
go Big12, then there would be zero to comment on. I hope it happens to just stop
and play the games.
...oh the agony.
So will Utah now request a season ending series with the Cougs? If BYU takes
ATM's place in the Big 12 schedule then they will be playing the Texas Longhorns
as the last game of the conference season. They are at least a big step up
compared to Colorado. In some seasons, like this one, there is no doubt that
the relevance of that final game would be enormously different. The final Texas
game will almost certainly have BCS bowl implications. The UT vs. CO match-up
will have Las Vegas bowl implications at best.
@NAVAL VETNot necessarily is that true that Utah would be for sure,
you open the door for a new conference they can leave anyone they want out.
Since BYU is clearly the top (attainable) target for the Big 12, I think it
would make sense for them to only expand in one direction. Reaching far out to
grab WVU just doesn't make sense to me. Add BYU, AFA and TCU. The first two
bring national fanbases and don't cut much into recruiting grounds. TCU is
great in football and baseball, and though they don't expand the footprint or
bring new markets, they add some strength to the conference. The three together
give you new markets, stability at 12, and keep the footprint reasonable. From
there, divide the divisions East/West to maintain balance:West: BYU,
AFA, TT, Baylor, OU, OSUEast: UT, TCU, KU, KSU, UM, ISU
Counter Intelligence:"...another BYU article with many of the
comments by insecure U trolls"There you go again...accusing
UTAH fans as being the insecure ones. For the past MONTH, EVERY article about
the Big XII's imminent expansion (or demise) have been filled with Y fans
touting their invitation already in hand. And that includes THIS one [re:
WhatsInItForMe's "BYU (reportedly already offered, but awaiting...)"],
DESPITE the article clearly stating, "Rumors ran rampant last week that
Brigham Young and the conference had come to an agreement, a story denied by
both sides." So despite THIS article, the Big TeX, AND the Y ALL denying
an agreement had been reached, your fans STILL promote themselves otherwise.Now THAT's some SERIOUS "insecurity" on the cougars' part.
Own it!P.S.: Utah has nothing to feel insecure about. No matter
what happens, we're in the Pac-12. If college football migrates to
superconferences, no matter what happens, Utah is in. You guys on the other
hand....not so much. Even if you DO get into the Big TeX, if superconferences
come to pass, the Big TeX will be raided, and there's no assurances you won't be
left behind. Like Iowa State.
There seem to be some Ute fans that are a little scared that BYU might get a Big
12 invite, that would mean BYU and Utah are back to what it use to be, where BYU
is still the big brother, BYU will get better recruits, because seriously who
wouldn't rather play in Big 12 country, the Pac 12 conference of use to be
champions really isn't that prestigious anymore.
This is the first time I've heard anyone proposing SDSU get into the Big 12 (or
Big 14). That's humorous to me. They have a so-so football program and are
sore losers when they don't win. They're perfect MWC material. They need to
play the likes of New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV and others on a
regular basis so they can win a few games. As far as a conference
spanning the entire continent, who honestly believes that an economic reality
for any conference? All the BIG 12 needs is their members to commit to staying
together. TCU willingly bolted from the MWC so why wouldn't they do the same
thing from the Big 12? Besides, they've already committed to the Big East, that
is if their word is any good. That seems to be the real issue with the Big 12
at the moment. For those bashing BYU's possibility of joining the
Big 12 instead of remaining independent, you all probably just love O'Bama, and
his tremendous economic leadership, too.
You guys talk like you can't wait to get in a conference and that the invitation
to the big12 is imminent. It's interesting...independence not so great after
all?Would be fun to watch Texas and byu impose their rules on each
This is all very silly...BYU will remain independent rather than sacrificing its
rights to the conference for 6 years. The Big12 will remain around but will
continue to be unstable; there are too many big guys in the conference for them
to just get along...
@ Vegas,What does TCU bring to the table that Louisville doesn't?TCU:- another team that can beat you- another Texas
team that competes for recruits- another Texas team that doesn't add new
eyes for TV- a school that offers nothing outside of football prowess to
the conferenceLouisville offers more new TV eyes, better all-around
sports, etc.Don't know why people keep touting TCU. Football is its
only calling card, and a Joker at that!
For BYU it doesn't matter if Mizzou stays or goes as it appears they are at the
top of the short expansion list. I personally don't see the appeal
of the 16 team superconferences. The amount of revenue brought in isn't that
much more than a 12 team, OOC games will be harder to schedule, and there will
still be a conference championship game with 12. I think Larry Scott knows this
and that's why the PAC didn't take the big 4 B12 teams earlier in the month. 16
is more of a hindrance than a help. To WhatsInIt, 14 isn't any better than 12
either. If the B12 can poach a couple of teams from the Big East (hopefully TCU
and WVU) it'll keep the conference strong (they're still the second best
football conference in the country).
Best teams (in order) for the B12 to expand:1. Notre Dame (fat
chance, UNLESS the BE doesn't remain available for their other sports)2.
BYU (reportedly already offered, but awaiting fallout resolutions)3. Pitt
(oops; they waited too long)4. Louisville (Eastern time zone)5.
Cincinnati (state of Ohio; Eastern time zone)6. West Virginia (especially
if losing Missouri to SEC; Eastern time zone)7. Air Force (better hurry!
BE wants them)8. SDSU (Southern California recruiting area; decent in
several sports; also, Pacific time zone)9. Boise State (pretty iffy; only
has football to offer)To get to 14 (keeping Missouri), must add BYU,
Louisville, Cincinnati, West Va, and either AFA or SDSU.Boise State
just isn't BCS school quality, outside of their FB team, which shouldn't really
be enough to make them viable. Even though football is driving everything, it
isn't everything.Forget TCU, SMU, and Houston. Texas and Texas Tech
don't want recruiting the competition in that state. Besides, they all have the
same issues as Boise State.Note that at 14 with these teams (if SDSU
is included), the B12 ("Big 14") would span ALL mainland U.S. time
either way, i have to expect an invite will come BYU's way shortly. And I hope
it does.....Texas and BYU deserve each other.
The ONLY chance the B12 has of remaining a BCS conference for the distant future
is to expand to 14 immediately (they own the "Big 14" moniker).
Naturally, not all teams will enter conference membership immediately, but the
offers and acceptances must come right away.That'll quell 16-team
superconference talk for a very long time, because five 12-team (Pac, B1G) and
14-team (ACC, SEC, B12) BCS conferences will be the norm.The Big
East will cease to be a BCS AQ football conference, competing with the MWC and
C-USA for BCS bowl slots, due the the losses of its top BCS schools and having
to bring mid-majors into it.This is also the best way to keep
Missouri in the Big12.If the B12 DOESN'T expand to 14, then it'll
get pilfered again when the Pac-12, B1G, ACC, and SEC all go to 16.And, BYU's only chance of getting into a BCS conference is if it remains five
12 to 14-team conferences.
A plea to the powers that be: please just get this done! Not sure why we should
even care, but this seems to be dragging on forever. Rumors flying everywhere
and media-driven stories to keep us on pins and needles. My only fear is that
BYU will wait too long and be too coy in its new-found independence and not be
picked up by one of the super conferences. Still hoping that the Bix XII (less
III) will add BYU, TCU, and Air Force to the league.