Redistricting drama to play out at special Legislative session

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    Oct. 3, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Lets say for instance that we have no one who really cares about central Utah? Well that is who we are to the democrates. They do not care about the people here! They listen to the enviromentalists. It is like we do not exist, or they don't want us to exist! Well, we are here and we are not going anywhere. Every rule passed that leaves us with less ability to make a living only makes us hate the people in the cities more. It is class warfare, brought on by the democrates, and big government who are forcing us out of our way of life. Burning the mountains down, cutting off the water, cutting the cattle grazing, and mining rites, closing roads to private property and eliminating access to federal lands even for recreation.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    Elections have consequences. There is no controversy here. It is a state controlled media that listens to the liberals. This redistricting process is completely fair and proper. Case closed. The democrats are crying foul to attempt securing Matheson's seat and other democrats that may run in the future. The democrats have proven they are wrong and have led this country down the wrong path. They caused this recession with the Dodd and Franks run Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac debacles. And our current President, along with Pelosi and Reid have given us Obama care and the national chaos we are witnessing. Case closed.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    @Furry...Feeling disenfranchised? Move to California and take Rocky with you!!

  • az roadrunner Apache Junction, AZ
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    In Arizona we have an independent redistricting commission, and it works fairly well. I hope Utah adopts a similar system before 2020 rolls around.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    To TRUTH | 9:32 a.m. Oct. 3, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    with less than 30% of the state complaining and one of those being Rocky Anderson....I would say that the redistricting plan is a winner....go with it!


    Why do you want to disentranchise anyone who doesn't hang out on the far right wing of the political spectrum? It would seem equitable that moderates and liberals should also have someone who would speak for them.

  • md Cache, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    re TRUTH: I agree. If Rocky Anderson is against it, I am for it.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Anything the Utah legislatures attempt to do is nothing more than drama .. the headline for this article was right on.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    with less than 30% of the state complaining and one of those being Rocky Anderson....I would say that the redistricting plan is a winner....go with it!

  • isrred Logan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 9:27 a.m.

    "With what the democrates want, those of us who live out in the country would be totally left out."
    How does giving you more power in ONE district mean you are "left out" compared to completely diluting your power and influence among 3 or 4 districts?

    "Utah is still mostly rural!"

    Maybe in terms of square miles, but Utah is the 6th MOST URBAND state in the country. The idea that Utah has a predominantly rural population is a myth.

    "Every repreasentative should have to deal with some of our issues."

    More like every representative will be able to completely ignore you because their re-election won't hinge on your vote.

    Let's say, for examples sake, that 20% of the state's population is rural. 100% of the population is divided among 4 districts for approx 25% of the state in each district.

    Now, do you think you will have more sway with a Congressman if the 20% rural population is in one district (making it 80% of the district) or do you think you will have more sway when you are divided up between all four (only 20% of each district)?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    It'll be fun watching Wimmer trying to get his six-gun past the U.S. Capitol guards.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    The DNews reports: "Redistricting drama to play out at special Legislative session."

    Sure, yeah, that'll work.

    With the lopsided, bend over backward as far to the right as possible legislature as we have on capital hill, we'll soon be rid of every Democrat in the state!

    At least as far as representation is concerned.

    Seems I heard of that happening in history before. I think it was called "fascist Nazism!"

  • thpslc Holladay, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    Spoc: "This places Holladay in an excellent position. They will have 3 representatives and if they have a compelling argument, three times the influence in the House.

    On the other hand, if the argument is not compelling, raise your own taxes and pay for it yourselves."

    Isn't this Taxation Without Representation? Are you implying that Holladay residents should not pay federal taxes and keep everything in our city? ...Or we continue to pay federal taxes and everything goes to cities like yours... Ogden is it? Then, Holladay citizens pay again while our federal tax dollars go to other citiies?

    Three representatives pulled in three directions cannot "represent" anyone very well. Not fair to Holladay Citizens. Not fair to the Representatives.

  • S.Andrew Zaelit Deseret, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Representation. Fairness. Equality. Progress.

    Most elected officials use these words to attract our attention and gain our support. Do the officials and the constituency even believe in, or agree to the same definitions attached to these words? There is only one word that everyone seems to understand equally across the board, lawsuit. It is not about being right. It is about doing the right thing. The Democrats are the minority party because elections have consequences. The Republicans are the majority party, but that does not mean they do not have a duty to listen. It is not about Mormons and non-Mormons. It is about taking for granted our rural areas. It is about making sure that rural Utah has a voice that can be heard. There are too many people talking, but no one is really listening. In the end, the citizen is stuck with the legal bill, and the citizen is broke. Only in politics does this "solution" make sense.

    Oct. 3, 2011 7:35 a.m.

    It is a good thing that many of the people of Utah are conservative. With what the democrates want, those of us who live out in the country would be totally left out. Utah is still mostly rural! Every repreasentative should have to deal with some of our issues. I like the pizza slice map. That way most of the leaders of this state can't just ignore us, and maybe they won't be giving our water away to other states. Maybe they will have to spend time here? Maybe they will see the choke hold the federal government has on jobs in central and southern Utah?

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Oct. 3, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    I predict Carl Wimmer will be given his own private district. I hope Mia Love gives him a run for his money.

    Oct. 3, 2011 6:15 a.m.

    Paul Rolly provided an interesting perspective on this issue in the Salt Lake Tribune on Oct. 1. Possible results of consistent gerrymandering include low voter turnout, fostering of extreme political positions within each party, and of course a general disenfrachisement of the political minority.

    The gerrymandering in Utah is so blatant I am amazed that anyone can defend it. Republicans in Utah know it, but lack the ethics to buck the national trend and refuse to participate in it. You already have the majority of representation, what makes you think it is ethical to take a grab a larger share than is representational of the population?

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2011 12:00 a.m.

    If we went back to the time of the founding fathers, I don't think you would ever find a Lockhart or Waddoups or any other member of this committee there. Our current Utah leaders are only worried about their own electon and their party's success - they couldn't care less about the people they "represent."
    A three year old child with a box of crayons could come up with a map that makes more sense than this one.

  • FDRfan safety dictates, ID
    Oct. 2, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    I think I solved a puzzle. I watched a movie Sunday on BYUTV. The star was someone with the occupation and net worth of Mitt Romney, judging by his house and autos for the occasion. It was a typical Utah setting with conversations about church, missions, etc. My wife was deeply engrossed and wished that she had a similar life style. She enjoyed the movie so much that I realized why so many Mormon families vote Republican in spite of economic circumstances more befitting those of Democrats. We may not be able to really live like Republicans but, doggone it, we can vote that way.

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:14 p.m.

    It would be nice if this state could actually do it right but it seems our current legislators are only interested in keeping themselves employed. (Surprise, surprise...) Even the LDS Church has said (time and time again) that it would like to see both parties well represented in our state, so all peoples and all points of view have representation, and issues have actual debate on both sides - I guess our legislatures chose not to understand that as they do everything they can to have a Republican monopoly here.

    Shame on them.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    This places Holladay in an excellent position. They will have 3 representatives and if they have a compelling argument, three times the influence in the House.

    On the other hand, if the argument is not compelling, raise your own taxes and pay for it yourselves.

    In an era when the Feds are so deeply in debt and getting more so at an accelerated rate, I am not sure the pork potential for an urban only representative is a good argument.

  • swish1 CLEARFIELD, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    I wish i could attend. Last March I attended that HB477 and got to see the ugly smirks from our legislators as they truly believed that we were not going to a force to be reckoned with. I hope this goes the same direction. These guy's behavior is nothing but repulsive and hypocritical.

  • representmeutah Salt Lake City, ut
    Oct. 2, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Utah already has the lowest voter turnout in the country. We can't afford to be further disenfranchised. Take a minute to review the maps and see how they will affect you as a voter, then write to your elected representatives before the special session begins tomorrow.

    It's a shame they already seem to have forgotten who they work for and what happened with HB477. Let's remind them tomorrow by attending tomorrow's rally at the capitol at 11:30am, where the thousands of signatures gathered in the Speak Up Utah petition drive will be delivered to our lawmakers.

  • Ronald Fox North Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 2, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    If I were a city or county government, I would like the pizza slice plan. It would give them more than one representative to go to when they need help.

  • Wash DC Reader Reston, VA
    Oct. 2, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    Having lived in Washington DC, I see what ugly politics looks like and this ranks right up there. Utahans should be ashamed of this map. This was submitted two days before the committee voted on it and passed as quick as possible without making it appear biased. Truly pathetic. I voted Repub while in DC, now I will be forced to vote Dem while here in Utah so that we hopefully will not have this type of disgracefulness going forward.