BYU, Utah Utes football: Is the rivalry getting out of hand?

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  • BYUte06 Beverly Hills, CA
    Sept. 17, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    I really enjoyed this article and agree the hatred needs to be reigned in. I don't think it's fair for either side to point the finger and blame the other for bad behavior, neither fanbase is innocent and we should all do our best to be respectful and well-behaved to the opposing team. My own family has graduates from both universities and while we can give a few good-natured ribbings, our relationships are way more important than a final score.

    We come from the same state, many of those sitting next to each other on the benches on Saturday are sharing other benches on Sunday. Violence or verbal abuse should not be tolerated whatsoever by either side. No one should have to be afraid to take their kids to the game. The outrageous behavior that has made this a bitter rivalry is inexcusable. Best luck to both teams on the field today, hopefully we as fans can foster better traditions of respect and support instead of attacking the opposing side.

  • Jeff ls Farr West, 84404
    Sept. 16, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    I am a long time season ticket holder at LES. I sit in the south end zone and we monitor really well. BYU fan gets out of hand and lots of people give them the proverbial slap up the side of the head. 2 years ago Matt Asiata's sister or aunt sat right behind us and she was great. We were doing high fives and laughing the whole game. I have been to games at Utah and can't say the same thing of my experience there. I think that this game has gotten way to devisive. I would like to see the rivalry come to an end for a period of time. I like Kyle and I watch as many Utah games as the best Utah fans do. I wish them success in the PAC 12. It seems too many Utah fans are really mouthy and disrespectful. There are BYU fans that are jerks also. I don't like how I feel about other people pertaining to this rivalry. End it now. These harsh feelings expressed by so many are just plain wrong.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    I have seen elementary school kids berate other elementary school kids because they're wearing a shirt with a U on it or a shirt with a Y. These are likely the children of this minority of unsportsmanlike fans, but my personal observation is that the poor behavior has been increasing.

    I'm actually glad the U and the Y are now in different conferences, and playing in September. I'm actually talking with my Y friends about football this season, whereas we used to avoid the chit chat about who is deserving of what bowl game. It feels like the rivalry is getting back to the basics. I'd like the teams to get back to the same conference and get back to November, but only if we could have a larger proportion that are able to handle it.

    Go Utes!

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    AllSeeingEye | 10:45 a.m. Sept. 16, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    "Love the article and its message, except . . . The underlying sentiment of this and other similar attempts to promote civility seems to be that Utah fans behave more poorly and are therefore more in need of change than BYU fans."

    I am tired of the infighting. It goes both ways, Utes or Cougs. Beating each other up over meaningless, and made up "facts" of trivia. The two universities need each other. Dragging down one, drags down the other school. Each raises the level of competitiveness of the other. They have the same level of athletes, and social background.

    Looking forward to a great game! Cougs 34 - 32.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    I think I figured it out for myself last week. I'm a Y fan, and when BYU wins, or after the rivalry game is over (especially if BYU won it), I am happy to see Utah win. It makes a lot of my friends, neighbors and coworkers happy, and represents the state well.

    However, once BYU loses or is out of the race, my rivalry blood kicks in and I start to root against them (i.e. last year vs. TCU, last week vs. USC) - no hatred, I just would rather commiserate at church with everyone the next day than deal with the ribbing from the Utah fans. I bet they often feel the same.

    In all, I'll never be a Ute fan, but with Coach Whit at the helm (and Meyer gone) and the two schools not competing in the same conference, I think for me and many the rivalry will be taken down a notch or two.

  • carabaoU Moab, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    Good luck Cougars, hope you score at least 3 points and hold Utes to 3 touchdowns.

    Rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah, rah, rah, rahrahrah (how many rahs are there before you rise up and shout Go Cougars?)

  • UtahMan4evr Sandy, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    As can be discovered by reading my moniker, I bleed Utah Crimson. I have had season tickets for more than 20 years and I'm a proud member of the Crimson Club. I consider one of my crowning achievements in life "converting" my wife, who went to BYU, to a completely devoted Ute fan. I love to tease my Y fan friends after a Utah win as much as they love to tease me after a BYU win. Nobody gets angry or violent over well intentioned, good natured ribbing. My ward is pretty much 50/50 red and blue. They are still my friends and neighbors no matter the outcome of the game. We as fans need to back off and let the players play the game. It is just a game afterall. There a lot of things in life more important. Let's all just enjoy the competition. WIth that being said:

    Go Utes!

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    I'm surprized Chris B hasn't commented on this yet.

    I've always enjoyed the fun-spirited portion of the rivalry. But many fans go to the extreme with hatred and mean-spirited comments. I have found that as fans mature they become more understanding and forgiving of the "other" teams fans.

    I look forward to this rivalry lasting a long long time.

  • Katiebugg Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    It's the few rotten apples out there (on both sides) who are ruining the whole barrel. Anonymity of the comment boards lead them to believe that it somehow makes it OK to treat others poorly. Unfortunately, these individuals post over and over (often on the same article). It's too bad that they seem to have tied up their self-esteem with the rivalry. Actually, it is sad.

  • coloradoblue Grand Junction, CO
    Sept. 16, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    I love this rivalry and have friends that cheer for the U. A few years ago I awoke to find about 75 Utah stickers plastered all over my truck. Thoughtfully though, they were taped on so that they could be easily removed.

    The following year I called this friends wife and asked permission to have a "Y" groomed in to the sides of their small poodle. She went to BYU and thought that it would be great. Unfortunately the groomer was not going to have any part of it so my buddy awoke on game day with a big "Y" in his front lawn.

    Harmless pranks that keep our friendship going. I still wish the groomer had followed through! He would have seen that "Y" for months. (BYU won that year)

    Go Cougs and may the fans keep this game in perspective!

  • Common Cents Lehi, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    I think the greatest thing about the rivalry is how competitive the teams now are. There was a time when there was no rivalry at all. When both schools steal wins in the closing seconds, it really adds fuel and intensity. It's a bummer that it may never have the same impact again.

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:45 a.m.

    Love the article and its message, except . . .

    The underlying sentiment of this and other similar attempts to promote civility seems to be that Utah fans behave more poorly and are therefore more in need of change than BYU fans. I genuinely believe most people who read this newspaper think that is true.

    Over the last 50 years or so I have attended 100+ games in LES and 100+ games in RES, including most of the rivalry games. I have seen fans in both stadiums do and say things that are completely inappropriate and uncalled for. I'd be happy to swap stories, but space limitations won't allow that.

    Fans of both schools, on an equal basis, need to look into the mirror and ask themselves whether change in their behavior is needed. No one has a monopoly on good or bad behavior, and some fan behavior is simply appalling--especially for those who count themselves among the believers.

    On the other hand, I have seen fans and players exhibit great sportsmanship and statemanship, at times, worthy of the highest praise and admiration.

    We can have a rivalry, which I love, and act like true believers!

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    Great article. BYU and Utah fans can get along, we just choose not to, which is too bad. There is a lot to cheer about for both the red and the blue. Looking forward to Saturday. Go Cougs!

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    I agree that while we cheer for our own team we need to be civil toward the fans of the other.

    I have had season tickets for 5 or 6 years now at RES and each time the BYU game has been played in our stadium there have been BYU fans in my section and some years on the same row or right next to me and my son. I have never heard or seen anyone treat them with disrespect or make personal attacks in any way.

    After the famous Max Hall statement I was bombarded with criticism from many of my BYU fan friends who know I go to the games telling me that more of us who are civil should stand up against those who aren't. I calmly assured them that if any of that happened near me in the stadium I certainly would stand against it, but I have never seen it happen. In almost every case, after calming down from the initial hype of Hall's diatribe, they would apologize and acknowledge that it is a minority of the fans who engage in such behavior.

    Let's keep the rivalry strong, but civil. Go Utes!!

  • Common Cents Lehi, UT
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    Great article. Agree completely. I hope the rivalry continues on, but I also hope that reason rules, and that those fanatic fans that hate the other school and fans will relax.

    Go Cougs!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Sept. 16, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Great message and tone setting in the article. At the end of the day, the players and fans are from the same communities, same families, often the same faith, and are just people. The players are just student athletes. Nothing more. It's sad to see the hatred some have but then again our society has gotten more divided that way. We need to call out those of our "side" who misrepresent and appreciate the fun of the rivalry.

    That said....GO COUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!