Red roundup: Texas could face big decision

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  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 15, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    @ uteowl,

    Good assessment of the superconference landscape. Many probabilities, and none are sure.

    I agree that BYU's inclusion in superconferences is more in doubt if there's four 16-team conferences than if there's five 14-team conferences.

    But, for the 14-team scenario to work out, the Big XII has to retain itself in some viable fashion, but not in promoting a bunch of mid-majors. The Big East and ACC are going to get combined, either way.

    I have my doubts about the Big XII's future existence.

    BYU might need to enjoy its independence for some time to come. And, I think it could work out okay for BCS bowl inclusion. BYU has enough "friends" in BCS schools to keep its SOS viable.

  • uteowl Sunnyvale, CA
    Sept. 15, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    Should BYU be among the 64 have's when it get to that point? Most likely. Will they? I firmly believe that unless they get into one of the have's BEFORE this all shakes out there is serious room for doubt.

    4x16 conference alignment means that there will be at least two current "have's" getting left out in the cold. We all know that one of those teams is going to get the boot in favor of ND. For BYU to get in 2 more haves would have to go. Which two?

    Which of the four remaining conferences (SEC, B1G, PAC, ACC/Big East) would be a good home for the Cougars?

    The PAC is out. Right or wrong, it wont happen. That leaves the B1G? The SEC? The East Coast Conference (ACC/BE)? Therein lies the rub for BYU. Regardless of their worthiness or not, where will they end up if theyre on the outside looking in when this avalanche starts to fall.

    If the Big12 doesnt stabilize to maintain the status quo (keeping the Okies and adding BYU) the best case for BYU is five 14 team conferences where four teams have to be ADDED.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:57 a.m.


    What makes you so sure that the new major college football paradigm won't morph into one football-only 64-team superconference with four divisions and that the new superconference won't pick and choose which schools get invited, and which schools are left behind?

    I know the BYU haters are desperately hoping that BYU gets left out of this 64-team pipe dream, but anyone claiming to know how conference realignment is going to play out is simply guessing.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    As for Texas, their TLN is a pretty big problem with Pac membership (plan D).

    Then again (plan C), Texas and Beebe (with Baylor's blessing) might make sudden offers to Big East and ACC teams to make a 14 or 16 team Big XII superconference. It'd take at least 7 to 9 teams to do that. Tough road, that one!

    So, maybe plan "E" would be to join the ACC? Could happen.

    I'd think independence is better than that. Wouldn't be surprised to see them go indy. At least for a year or two.

    Texas made their TLN bed. Now they have to sleep in it.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Sept. 15, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Doesn't matter what pundits say about the Pac-12 staying pat at 12, Scott isn't dumb enough to think that if they don't accept the Oklahomas that the Pac-12 will still have viable options to expand when the remaining "major" BCS conferences expand to 14 or 16.

    Scott's smart enough to know that the Oklahomas and Texas's are the four best options for Pac-12 expansion. He wasn't hired by the Pac-10 to sit on his thumbs. He'll convince whoever needs convincing to accept the Oklahomas' bids for Pac membership.

    Texas A&M's move to the SEC ensures superconferences. At 14 each, the Big XII could be one, but at 16 each it won't exist as a BCS conference anymore. The numbers and teams don't add up in their favor at 16 teams each.

    Dominoes started falling last year when the Pac-10 tried to expand to 16. Superconferences are inevitable now.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 10:31 p.m.


    In a decade, BYU will still be a perennial Top 25 team in whatever form major college football takes, and Utah fans will still be throwing childish jabs at their big brother and pretending that Utah's mid-2000's heyday is still relevant.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    At this point it would be an embarrassment to OU to stay in the Big-12, given the numerous statements they've made in the media. Oklahoma and OSU will likely head to the PAC, with Texas & Texas Tech joining in a few weeks, after considering other options. Baylor, Kansas, K-State, possibly Iowa State are headed to the BigEast, perhaps including Baylor, which has been working on the BigEast as their Plan B.

    There will be litigation, threats of Congressional intervention, with the Super64 providing a path into their playoffs for non-64 teams, pretty much like how the BCS system works now. There doesn't appear to be a path for BYU into a super conference, their tradition and fanbase and ESPN contract not withstanding. The most likely fit would be the ACC, and 2000 miles from that ocean may just be too far.

    In a decade the separation between Super64 schools and those left behind will be more manifest.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    "All five men included BYU, Notre Dame and Boise State in their list of 64 teams."

    That's sweet. But they are unlikely to take the list of 64 deserving teams, and turn them into conferences. Surviving conferences will maintain membership. It is unlikely that the SEC kicks out Vanderbilt, for example.

    Conferences also tend to organize geographically, east to west. If the Pac-12 take 4 of the Big 12 teams, they're full. There will be no room for Boise State and BYU.

    "That's OK," you say "we'll just take the next conference over." That would be the crumbling Big 12. Color it gone. So you'll join the B1G or SEC, you think? Uhhhh.... no. Those will fill up with the remains of the Big 12 and Notre Dame.

    BYU remains independent, and Boise State will annually earn the "play-in" game (the 65th spot) in the tournament.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Sept. 14, 2011 5:42 p.m.

    Oh Boy! Another attempt by cougar fans to turn this into a feel good story.
    Arkansas told the Big 12 no. And there are also reports that BYU said no to joining as well.
    But go right ahead and hitch your cart and desires to join an imploding conference.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    Interesting that Texas AD is very opposed to going independent and is not viewing that as a good option.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    BYU won't be left out but why should they choose to join another conference? They've got at least 8 years of time to explore this, they don't have to be in a rush to do anything right now, especially as it looks like they're wanted. Wait it out and the pot will sweeten...schools like Mizzou will NOT rest if they have to come down to an AQ conference like ConfUSA or MWC... is reporting this as of an hour ago:

    Big 12 athletic directors were given a list of schools to contact a few weeks ago once it became clear that Texas A&M would be departing the conference for membership in the SEC.

    Arkansas and BYU were contacted

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Sept. 14, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Much to the chagrin of our resident BYU hater, the Cougars will not be left out of any superconference realignment.

    The five men who cover college football for Rivals dot com have wildly varying viewpoints about which 64 teams they think should be included in the superconferences, but one thing that all five agree on is that BYU's commitment to competing at a high level in football and a history of such commitment have earned BYU the right to be included in any 64-team superconference realignment (see "Superconferences: Which 64 teams belong?)

    All five men included BYU, Notre Dame and Boise State in their list of 64 teams.

    Teams left out varied, but included Duke, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, and Washington State.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 14, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    When byu football is left out of the 4 superconferences and becomes the equivalent of san jose state in level of relevance - now that will be a good day. The pieces are falling into place.

    What good is your ESPN contract when all future BCS games/possible playoff games are determined by the 4 superconferences?

    Answer: not much

    You'll be fighting for the 2 star recruits at that point.