Matheson: 'There's no question I'm a target' in redistricting

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  • Flying Finn Murray, UT
    Sept. 2, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    @ RanchHand
    "Sheldon Killpack: DUI while IN office."

    Mary Jo Kopechne died when Ted Kennedy drove off the bridge to Chappaquiddick Island after a party. He forgot to call authorities about the accident until the next day after someone else spotted the overturned car .... while he was IN office.

    What's your point?

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    So, Matheson is afraid he may be one of the next to lose his Job during the BO presidency...Get in Line Jim!

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Sept. 1, 2011 7:05 a.m.


    Sheldon Killpack: DUI while IN office.

    Kevin Garn: Hot tubbing with a naked teenage girl. (true this was before his office time, nevertheless, his pals up there gave him a standing-O for doing it).

    Utah: Hypocrisy Elevated.

  • katamb Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 4:27 p.m.

    "Matheson told reporters ... at the University of Utah's Hinckley Institute of Politics he "absolutely" can keep his seat no matter how the lines are redrawn."

    Matheson is going to lose because he won't have a town hall meeting with the people in his own district to discuss the issues and how he votes. But he will go see the UofU students. I hope people remember this when he's up for reelection! He's being a coward with his own people.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    I love all the "this does not bode well for the country" and "the people of this state are the losers" assertions.

    What they really are saying is "I'm in the minority and I'm not getting my way so I'm going to whine about it!"

    I really love how things are "unfair" just as soon as one finds themselves in the political minority. I love how those in the political minority claim that actions taken by the majority will make us a "laughing stock" to the rest of the country. Of course we're not.

    I'm sure the left wing people in the country dislike Utah politics because it is overwhelmingly conservative and the right wing people in the country admire it. Just like the left wing utah residents think california and new york are so great whereas the right wing utah residents think both places are absolute holes.

    Well as one in the political majority in this state I can tell you all I am glad you lefties are upset. I don't want you to be in power here and ruin our state. I don't feel sorry for you and I don't care if you whine.

    I like it here.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    Of course Matheson is being targeted, just like he was targeted in the redistricting after the 2000 census. He's the only TRUE conservative Utah has representing it (the rest are far right fringe dwellers, especially Lee, Bishop and Chaffectz and, now, Hatch since he has started pandering to the far right and the tea party). For the sake of the country, more people like Matheson are needed.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 2:58 p.m.

    Re: Pagan | 12:14 p.m. Aug. 31, 2011

    Thank you for proving my point. David Vitter doesn't represent Utah, Gov. Herbert isn't in prison, we're not up to our eyeballs in debt . and Chappaquiddick Island is in Massachusetts. You're giving me the giddy feeling that when compared with some of our more liberal sister states we actually are angels.

  • John44 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    "There seems to be this fallacy that Salt Lake County cannot be its own District. Why? Who says the state has to be divided equally? Who cares about percentages?"

    It's not a fallacy, it's the law. Congressional districts in the US need to have a relatively equal number of people in each district.

  • John44 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    Re: williary
    "If Jim Mattheson votes like a moderate Republican perhaps he should change parties. He'd get more votes in Utah and more power in Washington."

    He wouldn't win a Republican Primary exactly because he is a moderate!

  • John44 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Jim Matheson would be considered a moderate Republican in any other state.

    Moderates in both parties are harder to find thanks to the caucus and primaries being attended mostly by the far-end of the party. This does not bode well for our country.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    'Makes politicians in Utah look like angels complete with wings and halos.' - Rifleman | 10:58 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011


    *'Herbert signs records bill HB477 after rally for veto' - By Paul Koepp, Deseret News - 03/08/11

    'More than 100 people gathered near the steps leading up to the House chamber to demand a veto from Gov. Gary Herbert as lawmakers who passed an amended HB477 Monday delaying its effective date until July 1 looked down from the corridors above.
    But an 8 p.m. news release from the governor's office said he signed the bill along with 18 other measures that have passed the 2011 Legislature.'

    Signing legislation with your voters chanting outside your door? This, is you 'halo?'

    *'Sen. Vitter Apologizes for Number Showing Up on Phone Records of Alleged Prostitution Ring' - Fox News - 07/10/07

    Republican David Vitter...

    still in office.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    I differ with Matheson on many issues, but as an American Citizen I detest and hate gerrymandering by either party. George Washington said it so clearly in his final farewell address, "When party wins the people lose." The drawing of district boundaries should never be left in the hands of politicians. It should be an independent group of citizens. Gerrymandering is unethical, dishonest and those who practice it should be ashamed each night and morning when they look in the mirror.

  • S.Andrew Zaelit Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    There seems to be this fallacy that Salt Lake County cannot be its own District. Why? Who says the state has to be divided equally? Who cares about percentages? Courage requires tough choices NOT politically expedient ones as Matheson would have us all believe. Tell me how a cattle rancher in San Juan County has anything in common with a resident of the Avenues? Where is the correlation between Cottonwood Heights and Duchesne? Residents of West Valley and Provo have different needs than those residing in Millard County, but they are in the same District. The map 2nd Congressional District Map shows Mr. Matheson HAS been protected. Realistically he only needs to win the Salt Lake County cities, Park City, and St George to virtually guarantee his victory. It is time for the protection to end. It is time to stop tiptoeing around Salt Lake Countys precious sensibilities. It is time to give the whole state an equal voice. Give rural Utah and southern Utah real representation. Let the smaller communities be heard effectively and clearly.

  • Christine Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Matheson is right!!! Waddoups is acting like a cynical politician. The voters and residents of Utah are the LOSERS!! We the people are the LOSERS! Having the legislators in charge of redistricting is undemocratic. There will always be legislative conflicts of interest. It clearly violates equal protection under the law (one person=one vote, equal representation).

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Re: Pagan | 9:02 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011
    "Because Utah is full of corrupt politicians."

    Unlike Illinois where Gov. George Ryan went to prison and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted in Federal Court of 17 counts against him. Makes politicians in Utah look like angels complete with wings and halos.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    @Charles | 10:06 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011
    The Greater Outdoors, UT
    @ClarkKent: your comment is laughable. The rest of the country doesn't care what happens in Utah let alone if it is "mormon politics".

    Actually, you need to take your blinders off. The rest of the country very much cares when mormons are running for national political offices.

    Aug. 31, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Congressman Matheson is my representative, and I have always been grateful for that. I find moderation very refreshing in the current political climate of this state and nation. Hopefully those involved in redistricting will listen to the zealots in Northern Utah County and in St. George and give them what they want - someone from their own homogenous pool who shares their same dogmatic, overly-simplistic, and ineffective views. Let them have Herbert and Waddoups et. al. Thank goodness there are refreshing and pragmatic voices of reason such as Matheson's consistent voice and that of Mark Shurtleff's recently with his announced position on immigration policy. Without them, the political state of this state would be worse than it already is.

    Aug. 31, 2011 10:35 a.m.


    Of course you gerrymander districts. We are not fools. You can lie all you want but we aren't as stupid as you seem to think.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    Re: williary | 7:41 a.m. Aug. 31, 2011

    If Jim Mattheson votes like a moderate Republican perhaps he should change parties. He'd get more votes in Utah and more power in Washington.

  • speed66 Heber City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    @AmericanFirst - Who decides what is American? This flame-throwing is in itself unAmerican.

    @RedSmith - We got a lot of good changes to health reform. Is it perfect? No. But many of the changes get overwhelming approval by voters. Perhaps if you became more literate about the topic you would see the good that has occurred. It may have turned out a lot better if the Republicans had been more interested in policy than politics.

    The first principal of redistricting should always be fairness. The board should be made up of a cross section of people with different political views. It's absurd for either party - whether dems in California or Chicago or Republicans in Utah and Texas, to manipulate the process.

    Pelosi-bashing but nothing about Boehner & McConnell? Severe double-standard.

    The biggest change in politics that I've seen is in fairness. It's become okay-even expected-to lie, cheat and be an absolute hypocrite. If your favorite sports team only won because they cheated, it wouldn't take long for fans to desert them but in politics we look the other way or even encourage the cheating - as long as it serves our party. Let's demand integrity first.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 10:06 a.m.

    @ClarkKent: your comment is laughable. The rest of the country doesn't care what happens in Utah let alone if it is "mormon politics".

    You sound like the national media when they say "some people" and then launch into a negative comment and argument.

    Stand on your own 2 feet.


    A vote for Matheson is a vote for Pelosi, Reid and Obama. If those are your politics then so be it however, Matheson is not good for Utah or the nation.

    @Christine: how are Utah voters losers in this deal?

  • Christine Orem, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Matheson is telling the truth. Waddoups is acting like a cynical politician. Utah voters are the losers.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Being a transplant to Utah, I can say that Utah politics is pretty much seen by the rest of the country as mormon politics. This is just one of many reasons that the rest of the country will not give much support for mormons in high-ranking political offices.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    'Matheson: 'There's no question I'm a target' in redistricting' - Title

    Of course he is.

    Becuase Utah is full of corrupt politcians.

    Want examples?

    *'E-mail raises new questions about influence of Herbert campaign contributions' - By John Daley and Lisa Riley Roche - Deseret News - 09/28/10

    'Gov. Gary Herbert "should remember" that the construction company boss on his meeting schedule is a $50,000 first-time donor who wants to talk "about transportation construction and issues within the state."

    $13 million tax dollars to settle THAT little 'misspoke.'

    *'Chaffetz blasts federal pay raises, except his own' - By Becky Bruce - DSNews - 11/10/10

    'Each member of the House and Senate earned $174,000 this year. (sic)
    When asked whether $174,000 is too much:

    ' "It doesn't mean that everybody's going to get an individual pay cut," Chaffetz said."

    *Exclusive: Senator Hatchs $125,000 annual pension? By Chris Vanocur ABC 4 News 08/10/11

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Boo hoo, Matheson. Like Democrats don't do it in any other state. You ought to see what they're doing here in California just so they can pass tax increases.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    I'm in mathesons district and I would love nothing more than to see him gone. if that means he gets redistricted out then so be it. I'm fairly sure he wouldn't complain at all if the dems ran things in this state and they were in charge of redistricting, then it would all be fine with him.

    As long as a district is geographically contiguous and has the right number of people then it isn't gerrymandering in my book. Not to mention gerrymandering is just a term used by those who are in the minority politically.

    Here's to hoping matheson goes back to being whatever it was he was before he entered congress. Probably a lawyer would be my guess.

  • S.Andrew Zaelit Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    I wrote this 5 years ago (Nov. 2006) when Matheson was making the same claims. What has changed?

    As a Utah native who has lived and voted in Salt Lake County and in two congressional districts (simply by crossing Redwood Road) I am completely bewildered by the early redistricting attempts by the Utah State Legislature. As the districts are currently drawn, the eastern half of the county (where there is little to no growth) is separate from the western half of Salt Lake County (where growth is happening). That western half of the county is put with Utah County. Why? West Valley City is no more in line politically and geographically with Utah County than the city of Randolph is with Weber County. To the Utah Legislature I ask simply this: Why not let all of Salt Lake County be joined in one voting district for the U.S. House of Representatives, just as they are in Salt Lake County government?

    Matheson has been protected by a system that is clearly not functioning. Whining about being a target when the disparity still exits simply to keep you employed is not leadership. Elections matter and congressional district boundaries should to.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    Re: Rifleman
    The way it is done in CA isn't great. They still had to create special racial districts and weren't totally untainted by attempts to gerrymander.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Jim Matheson is a career politician.

    Jim Matheson, please go back to private sector for retraining.

    We don't want more Wilderness (the extremist form of Federal control of Utah) in a State with 70% Federal ownership.

    We did not want health care forced down our throats.

    We wanted health care and general tort reform, but got none.

    We don't want to live in a debtor nation.

    I'm in your district. You surely don't represent me.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    The good news for Jim is that he's not really a Democrat. Only in Utah is Jim Mattheson a Democrat. Anywhere else he's a moderate Republican.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 31, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    Re: rok | 10:54 p.m. Aug. 30, 2011 - San Diego, CA
    "To get the fairest redistricting, they should pull some person from another part of the country who has no idea what areas are conservative"

    Or maybe they should do it the way it is done in California.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 31, 2011 5:44 a.m.

    Love the idea the elected representatives are to bias to do a good job of redistricting. Dose this say anything about Mr. Matheson's support and trust in representative government?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Aug. 31, 2011 1:58 a.m.


    I like the idea of having someone from outside doing the redistricting. The computer idea is OK too -- just as long as I program the computer.

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 11:44 p.m.

    "Waddoups said lawmakers did not gerrymander the 2nd District after the 2000 Census... [and] said then, as now, lawmakers were only trying to create equal districts based on population changes..."

    Though he's quite experienced in the craft, it looks like Waddoups still has some lessons to learn before becoming a master liar. When you get nationwide recognition- including harsh words from fairly conservative media such as the WSJ- for the worst instance of gerrymandering in the country, pretending you had no political motivation just hurts your credibility.

    It's tiring to continually see juvenile comments trying to justify Republican abuses of power here by appealing to abuses of power in California and other predominantly liberal parts of the country. Not only do two wrongs not make a right, but wrongs being perpetrated against the citizens of Utah can't possibly "avenge" wrongs perpetrated against others.

    People who claim Matheson "votes with Pelosi almost exactly" need to actually look at the record rather than the silly statistics people spout. The percentages you hear include a *lot* of fairly insubstantial or procedural votes; on major issues where most Utahns disagree with the current DNC party line, Matheson disagrees with them as well.

  • rok San Diego, CA
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    To get the fairest redistricting, they should pull some person from another part of the country who has no idea what areas are conservative, which are liberal or what the racial makeup of different areas are. Just give the person a map with the zip codes and their populations and have that person create the boundaries that fit the population requirements. That, or have a computer do it.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    "Trillion Dollar Jim Matheson" needs to remember something HIS President said: "Elections have consequences." When Republicans control the Legislature, they have more power in redistricting. So, "eat your peas."

    However, the law requires that they come up with districts with equal numbers of of citizens in each, so it really does not matter how they divide the pie (or donut) as long as every Utahn is equally represented. The same applies to any group of people who draw the lines.

    I don't like being in a district where Jimmy is my Congressman, but if I want to change that I need to get enough other voters to throw him out, not whine and hope that someone redraws the boundaries so I can get a conservative Republican instead.

    Jimmy is a nice guy, and when he is playing "Blue Dog" he is not bad (for a Democrat) but too much of the time he is Pelosi's best friend and supports the liberal Democrat agenda which is destroying our nation. I will work as hard as I can to see he is replaced in 2012.

    And, that does not mean a promotion to the Senate or statewide office!

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 30, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    "I don't think elected officials should be doing this," Matheson said, renewing his call for an independent redistricting commission. "This isn't just about me. Every citizen in Utah has to put up with the results of this flawed process."

    Shame on to suggest that the Republican Party is less than honest. We all know that they stand for good government.

  • justcap Provo, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    Let SLC have their own district. Keep the city folk together. And let the southern part of the state represent themselves. That's what is best for the state. None of this "pie" or "pizza" slice stuff that puts all the power in the northern cities.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Whatever happens we don't want his district to cover southern Utah. Give him Salt Lake City.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Aug. 30, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Dollar to doughnuts Matheson runs against the likes of Carl Wimmer. Wimmer supported hb 477. Enough said

  • Ellie Marie Herriman, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    I don't think elected officials should be involved--from either party. I'm not sure who is knowledgeable enough to participate AND neutral, but I think that would be the best way. Avoiding even the very appearance of corruption, ya know.

  • utahprincipal801 Sandy, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    This process wouldn't be so egregious if there was some political balance in this state. Too much power always corrupts.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    Matheson has a problem...he votes with Pelosi almost exactly!

  • Festus riverton, utah
    Aug. 30, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    If the demos were in charge matheson would have no problem with the process.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 30, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    What goes around, comes around.

  • American First Merced, CA
    Aug. 30, 2011 5:45 p.m.

    If he want's to see gerrymandering he should come out here to California where democrats have legislated a permanent majority based on the recommendations of a partisan panel of citizens who have basically drawn political boundaries based on the ethnic makeup of a district. Totally un-Constitutional, totally un-American. You people in Utah should be on your knees thanking God that you don't have the same bunch of anti-Americans running that state. Get over it Matheson, it's YOUR party that has no respect for the will of the people.