Dick Harmon: How can BYUtv earn money from televising sporting events?

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  • Kitenoa Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 24, 2011 10:10 p.m.

    @Brian | 9:11 a.m. Aug. 20, 2011
    Wasilla, AK
    "it would be wonderful if the LDS Church had a channel of their own where the religious programming once offered on KBYU was available"

    Go to a number websites and links on the internet to search for all your religious viewing needs. You won't be disappointed, ever.

    I hope that helps.

  • jimbobb Modesto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    BYU?U Grad
    Are you kidding me Dick Harmon doesn't have the ability to get Direct and Dish to start sending everything in HD? Come on Man... It doesn't matter what BYUtv or anyone does if you can't see the numbers on their jerseys who's going to watch.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:25 p.m.


    You obviously failed to read my entire comment before coming back with a meaningless backhand that totally misses the point of the discussion. The main issue of the complaints against the TLN was the possible recruiting ramifications if Texas was allowed to broadcast High School games. The NCAA and the Big 12 swiftly axed that thereby eliminating the need to further adress that as the main issue...which leaves the issue of adressing the revenue sharing as the new primary complaint. So tell me Hootie what part of... "Texas will have to be eventually forced to accept that they are going to have to change that standing condition and start some type of trade off split with the other Big 12 teams...or run the risk that now they and not A&M now becoming the cause of a possible implosion."...did you not understand??? Wouldn't it be likely that if I would mentaion that Texas would have to eventually see and understand the need to back down and actually start making concessions of sharing more Television money...and that BYU would also have to face that same issue.. It amazes me that you somehow missed that.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:58 p.m.

    Earn money the old fashioned way. Sell commercials.

  • BYU/U Grad Dallas, Texas
    Aug. 21, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    A couple of things regarding broadcasting...

    #1 BYUtv is NOT KBYU. For those who want KBYU programming of old, or whatever... it's like you are telling ESPN you miss the Ed Sullivan show they used to broadcast. They are not the same. KBYU, and over the air PBS affiliate, broadcasting primarily PBS programming. BYUtv is something COMPLETELY different with not very much in common when it comes to what is on the air.

    #2 Regarding HD... weather or not BYUtv is broadcast in HD is not up to BYUtv or even good old Dick Harmon. It is up to the "carrier." BYUtv PROVIDES it signal to carriers in HD... but if DISH or Direct TV or your cable company doesn't put it on THEIR HD allocated channels, that is the carriers decision, not BYUtv's.

    In closing, I am Mad BYUtv promised me HD quality and isn't delivering, and I sure think it's a mistake to bump Mr. Rogers and Sesame Street off BYUtv for BYU Sports! hahahahahaha!

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:41 p.m.


    The Norm Chow you have now= the Norm Chow that got fired from UCLA.

    Hopefully Jake's reaction to getting blindsided isn't anything like Wynnie the Qb's reaction or we are in big trouble.


    What happens if the transmitter for AM 700 gets hit with lightning on game day?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:06 p.m.


    You've presented a false choice.

    BYU would only join the Big 12 if they could keep their long aspired to freedoms and existing contracts.

    As Texas has done. Keep in mind the Big 12 is a different animal than the typical Conference construct, which is more Socialistic in nature.

    For Texas and Oklahmona to stay on board last summer, they are receiving much more TV revenue than is Kansas St, Iowa St. etc. As they should, they are the Brand Names with the most appeal.

    Thus, the Longhorn Network. Oklahoma is thinking of their own network now. Kansas St. and Missouri have just announced their own on-line networks.

    This new model and thinking outside of the box, even has Notre Dame as a possibility to join such a Conference.

    This is a new wave not going away. The USC's, Oregons, Ohio State's etc. are all on board with the Old Conference Model. However, USC even now, is thinking of ways of Capitalizing on their Brand, outside the new agreements.

    Something wrong with Legacy and Brand name schools sharing 100% of their spoils with Non-Producing Lesser Name Schools.

    It's a lesson in Free Market Capitalism vs. Socialism.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    It appears Where's Stockton and other BYU loyalists don't get it.
    If Big 12 members have an issue with a Texas TV contract. It won't be any different for BYU and their ESPN deal. Will BYU give up it's deal or share revenue with other conference members?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    I find it amusing that utey's actully believe that Anae's play calling was designed to protect a green quarterback both physically and mentally.
    Doman proved otherwise...because BYU's O line was easily capable of protecting Heaps who is a deep pocket shotgun throwing quarterback now adjusting to a Pro set behind the Center that will focus a lot more on the blocking of it's running backs in par with thier running and catching skills .

    Anae didn't have a knowledgable working ability to understand a more comprehensive passing schematic. Running the ball and using a limited passing shematic that had become well known by every team in the MWC became his downfall. He underutilized his "green quarterback" who is much more efficient when he's allowed to stretch and open up the field...something that Anae wasn't confident in doing. His gambling...(deferred call by Bronco or not)... and not going for the easy chip shot field goal in the early minutes of the 3rd quarter that would have put BYU ahead by 9 and atempting to convert a risky 4th and inches was the cost of the game. The blocked field goal would have been of no consequence otherwise.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 21, 2011 9:09 a.m.


    You may want to catch up to speed in your reading.

    The broadcasting of High School games on the TLN was axed by the NCAA and the Big 12 over a week ago. It was the only none revenue splitting issue of merit that A&M had...It's gone now. A&M hasn't got a leg to stand on that isn't a sour grapes complaint over Revenue Sharing. Texas will have to eventually be forced to accept that they are going to have to change that standing condition and start some type of trade off split with the the other Big 12 teams...or run the risk of them and not A&M now becoming the cause for a possible implosion. The Big 12 needs to become proactive by starting an expansion move with BYU, TCU and Boise State and Texas needs to realize that they need to be a little more cooperative. At least in the Big 12 Texas will retain a lot more of thier percieved advantages...where as in the PAC more than likely they wouldn't and lose a substantial amount.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 21, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Howard S.

    You were just served, schooled and beat down by Osgrath.

    You should stop now.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    Aug. 21, 2011 6:37 a.m.


    Nothing sweeter than watching the utes get whipped in the Vegas Bowl

  • jimbobb Modesto, CA
    Aug. 21, 2011 2:01 a.m.

    Dick please address the elephant in the room. No HD... Come on.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 21, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    What happens if the one and only HD truck breaks down on the way to the games?

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Brandon Doman = Gary Crowton?

    Howard, that has to be be the most uninformed statement of opinion I have every read. Other than the fact that Doman quarterbacked Crowton's only successful team, what else do they have in common? Crowton was attempting to be a head coach, Doman is hired as an offensive coordinator.

    Well, hold on, Crowton might be good to compare Doman to, as an offensive coordinator, since Crowton was OC for a national campion (LSU, 2008) and has held that position for some impressive programs: Oregon, LSU and Maryland. We don't need Doman to be national championship caliber this year, just competent. The players will have to do the rest.

  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    Those Cougs think of everything.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:56 p.m.


    I find it amusing that Cougar fans don't realize that Anae's play calling last year was designed to protect a green QB both physically and mentally.

    When Doman's play calling exposes St. Jake (both physically and mentally) we'll see how he reacts to his first blindside smash from a blitzing DB.

    Brandon Doman = Gary Crowton...

    Good luck with that...

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:01 p.m.

    Howard S.

    In my opinion it was Robert Anae that didn't know how to give the Utes a beat-down. In 2006, 2009 and last year he took his foot off the gas when things were smoking offensively. I give Kyle all kinds of credit because when his team is getting beat he (usually) finds a way to turn the ship around. Anae quit pushing and let the Utes back into those games.

    It's my opinion, do with it as you choose.

  • Seattleview Federal Way, WA
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Thanks for the comments about HD programming. I was wondering why there wasnt an HD channel when HD was highlighted and promised as being a big benefit of BYUtv. With BYU hype you must check the fine print to know what will actually be the case.

    Lets also hope the overall programming at BYU tv can improve.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    Lifelong Republican said:

    "Night Owl, get out of Oregon once in a while. Go visit a city south of you called Sacramento and you'll see who is talking about Jimmer.

    Jimmermania lives on!"

    Yeah ok. Sacramento, whatever. With the NBA strike I'm sure that all the talk around the water cooler is about unproven Jimmer.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    Night Owl, get out of Oregon once in a while. Go visit a city south of you called Sacramento and you'll see who is talking about Jimmer.

    Jimmermania lives on!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    93 COUGAR said:

    "Can't wait to get the season started.

    This exposure is going to be great for the school.

    First Jimmermania swept the nation.

    Cougar football is next!

    Go Cougars!"

    Jimmermania? Outside of some kids at basketball camp, who is talking about him lately?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    Big 12 members are already upset with Texas about their TV deal. What makes people think BYU will be welcome there with their own TV deal?

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 7:53 p.m.


    Nothing sweeter than watching the Cougars get whipped...

    You know...

    It's Blocked.... It's Blocked... Utes Win... Utes Win... Utes Win...

    Aahhhhh... nothin' sweeter.

    Hurry, someone shake him, he's having another wild-eyed dream, dreamer.

    Aug. 20, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    It's doesn't matter that Utah is on KJZZ cause the only game ute fans watch all year will be on ESPN thanks to the Cougs

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    @rjtolman, I know what's worse than watching BYUtv in SD...watching the mtn at all. I could hardly see anything in their game broadcasts.

    As for the money, that will take care of itself. I'd dare say that there are a lot of deep-pocketed LDS folks who would gladly pony up to keep the exposure BYUtv currently has. This is great for the Church, the University, and the World! And to throw sports onto it now just sweetens the pot! I'd bet that TLN is pretty jealous of where BYUtv is today and will be watching it all very closely to see what works and what doesn't.

  • cheeseman187 Costa Mesa, CA
    Aug. 20, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    "There are reasons ($,$,$) why Nebraska and Colorado (gone) as well as Missouri and Texas A&M are desperately looking to leave the Big 1 and Little 9."

    The difference is that BYU will actually get money in the Big 12, because if A&M leaves they will be saving the conference and adding a lot of financial value. Unlike Utah who accepted a laughable deal where they won't be a full member of the PAC for another four years.

  • vp Lethbridge, AB
    Aug. 20, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    It's fine that they say they want get more exposure in
    North and South America. But for the past few months, whenever
    I log in to BYUtv to watch on-line live TV, I am denied access, because
    I am identified as not being in the United States. Before then,
    I could watch live BYUtv online anytime.

    This seems like a step backwards instead of forwards in terms of exposure.
    Are other people denied access like me? If there are, exposure is not what
    is happening.


  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Aug. 20, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Hahaha... Desnews blocked my comments for excessive caps. (eyeroll). I'll tryagain:

    I get byutv on my Roku. Love it!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 1:53 p.m.


    Under Brother Mendenhall BYU is 2 - 1 against Utah at LES.

    In those two victories the winning margin averaged less than a TD.

    Keep dreaming sammyg, my friend... Bronco doesn't know how to administer a beatdown of Utah... plain and simple.

    How and while you're dreaming maybe that call from the Big12 will come.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 1:15 p.m.

    @little howie

    Cherish your little victory as it will pale in significance to the beatdown you'll get in LES in 4 weeks.

    You're accustomed to beat downs so BYU will make it either 2 in a row or possibly 4 in row by the 17th.

    Can't wait to bring the braggin's rights home and to shut U guys down once and for all. It will be sweet and last all year long.

  • mgr63 DALLAS, TX
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    HAHAHAHAHA! That is the funniest headline I've read this year. Of course it will be a money maker, regardless..........OH my goodness?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 11:50 a.m.


    Nothing sweeter than watching the Cougars get whipped...

    You know...

    It's Blocked.... It's Blocked... Utes Win... Utes Win... Utes Win...

    Aahhhhh... nothin' sweeter.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    Deseret Dweller

    pssst -- we all know you'll be watching, though. You won't be able to keep away, just like you couldn't keep away from this article! Pass the popcorn to Chris B and Hedgehog.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    BYU as a "replacement" for Texas A&M.

    Be very careful Cougar fans.

    There are reasons ($,$,$) why Nebraska and Colorado (gone) as well as Missouri and Texas A&M are desperately looking to leave the Big 1 and Little 9.

    Texas controls everything ($,$,$) in the Big 12.

    The Big 12 Commissioner will make BYU long for the days of the MWC.

    If you want to know what it is like to "deal" with Texas types, imagine dealing with Texas Presidential Candidate Rick Perry EVERYDAY; and Rick Perry is only a Texas A&M Aggie.

    Dealing with Texas would be like dealing with an autocratic Meth and Steriod addled Rick Perry.

    BYU currently has a friendly "series" relationship with Texas. BYU fills a spot on the Texas Football schedule. Texas fills a spot on the BYU Football Schedule.


    It would be a whole different matter if the Cougars had to "deal", with Texas, on a daily basis, as a member, of the Texas conference.

    Just ask Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas A&M.

  • RE Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Brian in AK

    I suppose you have internet. The church operates the Mormon Channel where you can get all the religious and uplifting content you want.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    TrueBlue, BYU would be the obvious choice for the Big-12 if they can get over any no-Sunday clause and decide they want to expand, and in lieu of TCU going to the Big East. And the Big-12 would be a better fit for BYU's other sports than the WCC. We'll see.

    BlueCoug, then how do we explain the Food Nanny?

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    To Desert Dweller. Your blunt honesty is refreshing.

    Good article Dick. The fundraising and financing of BYU Football is huge. It is on the big stage and takes a lot of money to make a big splash. I am glad to be able to watch on TV. I really don't care if it is on ESPN or BYUTV or whatever. I don't care if it is in HD or SD or or any other D. I am simply glad to watch.

    Go Cougars

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 10:01 a.m.


    BYUtv was created to serve the mission of the LDS church, which is, to spread the word.

    BYU sports are seen as a conduit for increasing exposure for BYU and, ultimately, the church that sponsors BYU.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    So true Brian, I used to turn to BYUtv whenever I wanted a little spiritual pick-me-up, but now they have way too many self help type shows that you mentioned.

    On the HD issue, DirecTV told me that whenever BYUtv requests to be in HD, it will be. Maybe its a money issue so they're waiting til the season starts to pay a little less or something..?

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Brian in AK makes some good points. I was under the impression BYUtv was a religious channel.

    Guess not.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:43 a.m.


    "Independence is fascinating. I wonder how things would go if the Big 12 comes knocking."

    All indications are that that invitation will come sooner than later; the catalyst will be the official announcement that Texas A&M is leaving for the SEC.

    Time for Big XII to Expand (with BYU) - Sacramento Bee
    Brigham Young Might Be What Big XII Needs - The Oklahoman
    Big XII Has Few Options if A&M Defects - Yahoo/Rivals
    At Last: Your Texas A&M/SEC Primer - ESPN

    Many credible sources completely unconnected to BYU are saying that BYU is the most logical choice to replace Texas A&M.

    Whether BYU accepts that invitation, or not, will depend on how stable the Big 12 looks to be going forward and whether BYU is able to keep all of their rebroadcast rights for BYUtv.

    If Oklahoma and Texas are locked in to Big 12 membership for the next 5 years and BYU is able to keep its rebroadcast rights, there's a good probably BYU would accept an invitation to join the Big 12.

  • Blue Tater WEBSTER, TX
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    Good article, probably the most comprehensive on the BYU channel/independance goals to date. But just don't see the ultimate goal in sports, especially for BYU fans the ability to materialize in their independance. Hidden in a sentence within this article is the crux "...BYU doesn't release that kind of information, and the product is ultimately built for exposure, not making money." The BYU sports fan, especially football minded, will ultimately be disappointed in the "exposure" goal because its not for "football" or sports exposure. BYU fans will have great access to veiwing their teams but it will only be BYU fans accessing and that isn't what will move BYU back into any national level debate again.

  • Brian Wasilla, AK
    Aug. 20, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    BYUtv has changed a lot in the last few years, My formerly inactive aunt who came into activity because of the many church oriented programs on KBYU now tells me to watch the Catholic channel if I need good religious programming.

    Now that sewing, cooking, painting , exercise, sports etc. have moved to the forefront while uplifting religious programs are relegated to the 3 am slot it would be wonderful if the LDS Church had a channel of their own where the religious programming once offered on KBYU was available.

  • desert dweller SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    dont make much matter to me me rather they get it or not it wont be watched in my home. Im not a BYU fan. and just knowing I can see the Jazz play and not have to see jimmer made my day

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 7:41 a.m.


    It shouldn't be an issue for you since you live in Utah and BYUtv's over the air signal is in HD. Just unplug your dish during the game and get some rabbit ears. Plus there is only one football game scheduled for BYUtv anyway, 10 of them are on ESPN which is all HD feeds.

    More of a concern would be once basketball season begins as there will probably be quite a few BYU, and WCC, games on BYUtv. But once again since you live in Utah it is a very easy fix.

  • DaveKnowsWhatsUp Bloomington, IN
    Aug. 20, 2011 7:36 a.m.

    Very interesting piece, being involved in the politics and finance of higher education, I had wondered about this very thing. Very timely piece.

  • rjtolman Taylorsville, Ut
    Aug. 20, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Sounds super: Except there is still no HD feed of BYUtv on Directtv or Dish as far as I can tell.

    BYUtv you need to do what ever it takes to get the HD feeds on those satellite systems.

    Nothing worse than watching BYUtv sporting events in SD on a HD set.

    If there is anything we can do; please let us know. I have contacted Directtv on several occasions requesting
    the HD feed; but it is not even on their future list of HD upgrades.

    Lets get this done. In some ways it feels like we are starting all over again; when we had no MTN on satellite.

  • AZJazzFan Gold Canyon, az
    Aug. 20, 2011 2:25 a.m.

    Independence is fascinating. I wonder how things would go if the Big 12 comes knocking.

  • Independence Is Bliss San Jose, CA
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:42 a.m.

    This is a great write-up. Thanks Mr. Harmon! I love the idea of having control over our own distribution. Everything is geared towards building the BYU brand, rather than a conference's brand. This will pay HUGE dividends in the future. BYU has their priorities straight - Exposure is everything!

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Aug. 20, 2011 12:27 a.m.

    Can't wait to get the season started.

    This exposure is going to be great for the school.

    First Jimmermania swept the nation.

    Cougar football is next!

    Go Cougars!