Today in the Bloggernacle: Video messages from President Packer and Elder Oaks

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  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:29 p.m.

    To Michugander: It is obvious you are looking at it as a number versus a position in the Priesthood. If you take a look today you will find 7 who make up the Presidency of the Seventy. Then you will find that there is today a 1st Quorum of the Seventy, 2nd Quorum of the Seventy, 3rd, 4th and 5th Quorums of the Seventy. It is a position in the Priesthood. If you read the scripture correctly you will find that the Seven went on to call others to help in Grecian as the Apostles continued preaching and teaching the Gospel all over. Don't try and translate it into what it is not. It is not a bizarre figurative interpretation but the CORRECT Interpretation.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    To Nebraska: I respectfully and strongly disagree. 7 does not equal 70 (never has, never will). When the plain sense of scripture makes literal sense one should not seek any other sense or bizarre figurative interpretation.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 16, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    To Michigander: You miss understand the meaning of Servant as serving tables. This is not literal. The Grecians wanted the apostles to serve them and take care of them. Therefore, they wanted them to quit teaching and preaching the Gospel except to them. To do this the apostles asked them to come up with seven men to do this for them. They then chose the seven as outlined. As mentioned in Exodus, Numbers, Ezekiel and Luke the SEVEN were referred to as the SEVENTY as they are ELDERS. I suggest you look in those chapters and then you will see that the SEVEN were all Seventy. That is your proof on how it is used through out the scriptures/BIBLE.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Aug. 16, 2011 1:55 p.m.

    To Nebraska:
    Deacon is derived from the Greek word "diakonos" meaning servant ("serve tables").
    Just because someone is a Deacon does not mean that he can't perform great wonders and miracles, as Stephen did.
    You still provide no scripture stating that Stephen was a Seventy. If Stephen would have lived he in all likelihood would have subsequently been ordained a Seventy, as Philip who also was originally a Deacon, but later in Acts 21:8 he is referred to as an Evangelist (same identical as a Seventy per Ephesians 4:11).

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    To Michgander: Here is 1-6:

    "And in those days, when the number of the disciples were multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. Then the twelve called the multitude of disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word, and serve tables. Wherefore brethren, look ye out amoung you seven me of Honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephe, a man of full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Iimon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch. Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed they laid their hands on them." Where does it state they were deacons, no where. However, it does state that Stephen did great wonders and miracles among the people. That means he did much more than as you serve tables. So yes, his calling was of a Seventy.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Aug. 16, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Sorry Nebraska but Acts 6:1-6 states he was one of the first 7 men in TCOJC to be ordained a deacon ("serve tables").
    You will find nowhere in scripture that he was ordained to the Ministry or Priesthood and nowhere that he was ordained a Seventy.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    Aug. 16, 2011 6:42 a.m.

    Sorry Michigander but he was a Seventy not a deacon. He held the Melchezidek Priesthood and was called with Seven others to preach and proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You will find no where in the scriptures anywhere that he was ordained a deacon. That in and of itself is a miss interpretation of the Bible itself.

  • Michigander Westland, MI
    Aug. 16, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    Stephen was a Deacon, not a Seventy.