Mexico border security makes it harder to seek medical care at Shriners clinic

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  • jenrmc Fort Worth, TX
    Aug. 1, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Until all our American children are cared for and don't go without food, clothing and medicine we have no business attempting to care for any other country's children.

  • Gregg Weber SEATTLE, WA
    July 27, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    FormerUT wrote that "Second--as the article stated, MOST Mexican citizens CANNOT get more advanced medical care, because most hospitals and medical professionals in most areas of Mexico DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE to provide them!!!" which I take it to mean that outside Mexico City, or some other big cities, the care is sub-standard as shown by the lack of a correct diagnosis.
    Why did they cross the border rather than stay in country? Travel distance? highwaymen? mexican busses? I don't know but I Googled "Shriners hospital Mexico and found one in Mexico City. Wikipedia has a list of hospitals in Mexico.
    Either they are sub-standard or the people were "drawn like a moth to a flame" to cross the border for free care that others pay for. (That is assuming that it was free for them. I don't know.)

    July 27, 2011 1:48 p.m.

    Bob, some of my relatives came here legally from Mexico. We want people and business to follow our laws, even Shriners hospital.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    July 27, 2011 9:08 a.m.

    Some of the rationale for keeping "Mexicans" out of the US sounds a lot like Brieviks rationale for killing nearly a hundred people in Norway.

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    July 27, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Charity is wonderful. Hooray for the Shriners. But the gist of this article is that the border is a problem. We get endless sob stories about people from other countries wanting free medical care here. Well, if they can get here legally, and if the care is privately funded, more power to them.

    But, the reality is that the world is full of billions of sob stories, nearly all of which might be ameliorated if the person could come to the United States and get on the taxpayer funded gravy train. Problem is, the American taxpayers can't afford it. It would destroy us.

    The best thing we could do for the rest of the world would be to teach them the culture and political system that made America what it is, and help them to emulate it, if they wanted. But, any attempt to do that seems to have stopped decades go. And, that culture is disappearing in this country, being replaced by a bunch of people who think they are entitled to the fruits of another man's labor just because they have a need.

    July 26, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Shriners is a great hospital, supported by donations from the fraternal organization members and outside charities.

    This is one of the side affects of all the illegal immigration. They are not above the law. Did they think that the government would not require a medical visa, like they do for others coming here for help? I don't understand their complaining. They created the situation, why can't they just provide them with transportation to their Mexico city hospital and treat them there? until they find a place to locate to inside Mexico?

    It's probably cheaper to move several doctors and support staff for a few days, than to move hundreds of people across an international border.

    Mexico is an industrialized country (#12 in ranking among all nations) with medical facilities that rival the US. There are many other hospitals that do work for free on Children in Mexico other than Shriners.

    Nobody wants to have children turned away, but Shiners needs to have people follow the laws, or move the clinic back over the border. Perhaps they can have a immigration attorney donate his time to do the paperwork?

  • Munk Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 25, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    The amount of self-sanctimonious posters frankly astounds me. The Shriners's policy is to never deny a child medical care. The do not receive federal funding. This is not about illegals seeking to use the system.. it is about people who live in Mexico who just seek to have their children taken care of. This has nothing to do with the illegal immigration issue but rather with the tragedy of the violence and tighter border security (FROM drugs and illegals) that hinders people who are trying to play by the rules. So please spare me your bull about "They can just go to a Mexican hospital." Big people here, lets go after the kid's getting help... real big.

  • scrappingmom07 EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT
    July 25, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    I thought this story was amazing and after spending the morning at Shriners with my son at the wheelchair department, I come home amazed that they help people so much. We are blessed.

    My son has had hip surgery by Dr. Santora, the same doctor in this article. He is AMAZING! We are blessed to have access to Shriners. I cannot even imagine not being able to have access to this great hospital, just because I was not born in the "right" country that is being said on these posts.

    The doctors do go do surgery in other countries. That is not always the answer. My son has had to wait a month for a doctor to go to another country to help these sweet kids in other countries because they could not come here.

    I hope people will not assume they are superior because they were born in the "right" country and go support this benefit. It will be an amazing night. I applaud Dr. Santora for not only caring for the kids and working so dilengently on their surgeries but caring enough to go out of his way to do more. We could all learn from him!

  • nehimomma Parsons, KS
    July 25, 2011 4:28 p.m.

    Fairly certain that in a country the size of mexico if everyone is supposed to take there children to ONE hospital in the country to get there child's orthopedic procedures/surgeries done if/when they actually have physicians that can even do some of them your wait would be extreme.

    The ignorance in this thread is amazing. Shriners is a non for profit. No they don't take medicaid, medicare or your insurance. it's free. Old Men "shriners" put a lot of time and sacrifice into raising money so little children of any sex/creed/color/race/income level can have things of orthopedic nature fixed. Some parts of our country Shriners is the only hospital appropriate for care for certain surgeries. Physicians give up much of there time to do this as well. Many work for both.

    Pull your head out of your ignorance and learn about them before making comments that are so clueless folk.

  • formerUT Osawatomie, KS
    July 25, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Oh my word!!! Reading past entrants on here makes me think that, at least those who comment here are completely uneducated and do not understand anything!!!

    First off, these families CANNOT afford the $18 the Americans claim is all they have to pay! The MAJORITY of citizens in Mexico who live OUTSIDE Mexico City are incredibly POOR!!! They work for tiny amounts of money, within a business AND legal system completely CORRUPTED by the drug lords. The drug lords have infiltrated EVERYTHING in Mexico!!!

    Second--as the article stated, MOST Mexican citizens CANNOT get more advanced medical care, because most hospitals and medical professionals in most areas of Mexico DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE to provide them!!! Never mind the physical and occupational therapy the children may need for follow up!!! And heaven forbid, a Mexican citizen have a child with an intellectual disability!!!

    What all of the comments on here show is that all of you can only envision medical and other services based upon US ideals. These ideals ARE NOT offered in Mexico. Why don't all of you go and visit "inner" Mexico (not the tourist traps that "look nice")--and get a clue? I did!!!

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 23, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    I would not cross the border to get treatment if the same was available in my country, and it is, in Mexico city.

  • Butch70 Spokane, WA
    July 22, 2011 7:43 p.m.

    Well! If the shoe was on other foot you would go to Mexico for teatment instead of trying to get treatment here in this country. Enough said.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Shriners created their own problem by not moving their clinic into another part of Mexico. Surely they can see that. Stop trying to bring them across the border, and treat them in their own country. Why should they be given special treatment for a condition they caused?

    Lately it seems everyone wants the government to bail them out of bad decisions they made.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    People pointing out that Shriners has a hospital in Mexico and the costs incurred could of been lessened are not cold heartless people. They proposed a solution to the problem. Building a clinic inside Mexico away from Juarez is another option.

    People don't want to hear solutions. They want to call people names.

    Shriners can do what they want, but they should not be complaining about their own decision to pull out of Juarez and not rebuild elsewhere in the country where they could access more people, and cost them less money. Nor should they ignore the fact that they could be operating from their own hospital in Mexico city and avoid the border situation.

    I don't understand their complaining about a problem they created. Do they want us to open our border to fill their needs? It can be handled other ways.

  • sally Kearns, UT
    July 22, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    From reading some of these comments, I am to understand Shriners does not take any federal aid like medicaid? It is all total charity based? Who has that much money to donate? I do understand it is a tax write off to donate, but I would be surprised if they do not take advantage of available tax dollars.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 22, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    DMN - How about a story on a family in southern Sudan who has no hospital to go to and if they do make it to a border of Chad, CAR, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Uganda or other, there are no hospitals there either. Those are the people I feel compassion for. Please folks, send some donations to a relief agency of your choice. Maybe even the DMN could lead the way.

  • Hispanic in St George Saint George, UT
    July 22, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    It is hard to believe that the DN is running yet another article in support of the Mexican people's abuse of our institutions, in the name of "compassion". A dislocated hip is not that unusual of a procedure that has to be done in the US. Mexico has good health care, but of course, it is easier to take advantage of the free services that should be used for our own people. There are also many under developed countries all over the world that could use this help. I am glad that I don't subscribe to the DN any longer. I think I ought to stop reading their e-page also... it is nothing but an aggravations!

  • chinookdoctor PASADENA, CA
    July 22, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Shriners provides services to children regardless of their nationality or financial resources, including children in the US who cannot afford care or whose local hospitals are not equipped with the expertise or facilities to provide complex orthopedic surgeries. I suppose many of the posters will be deriding these acts of service as well if their parents are gang members, on well fare, or drug users. I can tell you that many similarly bigoted people think that someone who is overweight and has diabetes, high blood pressure, or who doesn't exercise should be left to their own devices and doesn't deserve time or assistance, much less health care dollars spent on preventable illnesses. I'm sure a lot of posters would fall into that category, especially from what I've seen in Utah. Also, how many posters come from "illegals" who stole native american land and then overlooked genocide to get the wealth that now allows such xenophobic ideas to be put into policy? Unless you're American Indian, you're an illegal, we'd all do well to remember that.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 22, 2011 12:18 p.m.


    If it costs so much to come here, why not move the clinic into Mexico, or use the Shriners hospital in Mexico city. Wouldn't it be cheaper?

    Why does the article complain about the fees, if there is a cheaper alternative for them?

  • marcamus goochland, va
    July 22, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    The Shriners are performing a humanitarian and compassionate service. These children and accompanying family members are coming here legally, I repeat legally. They are following all of the rules. Their only complaint is the increased fees to obtain a US visa.

    Instead of pointing out the positive, the posts descend into complaints as to why these children didn't stay in Mexico or why they are getting free services and comparing them to undocumented individuals.

    This child is not undocumented and neither are the parents. They return to Mexico after the procedures. They are not getting services that taxpayers are funding. This is purely a compassionate service where everyone obeys all the rules. Their only complaint is in the increase in fees for US visas and not for Mexican visas.

    Great story on the compassion people still have.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    July 22, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    I sure hope that little girl got her hip fixed.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    6 hospitals in the L.A. area have had to close their doors due to all the free emergency room care they've had to provide to illegal immigrants. They're SUPPOSED to be reimbursed by the feds but they rarely are.

  • BYU Papa Cedar Hills, ut
    July 22, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    It would be nice if our governments could cooperate for the benefit of the people of Mexico and here in the United States. Through cooperative effort hospitals could be built on both sides of the boarder. US citizens would spend money and buy homes for vacations in Mexico. People in Mexico are needed here for various forms of employment where they perform valuable service.

    It should not be difficult to work things out. Mexican Officials need to recognize that people need income to help their society prosper. Maintain friendly boarders, Stop drug trafficing, Be fair to American buyers.

  • bixby35 BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 22, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    NO to universal health care. But please provide it for the south americans and cut medicaid and medicare to trim the deficit. How stupid is this?

  • sally Kearns, UT
    July 22, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    Most people think of Mexico as not having the ability to help it's people, so they need to come to America for the American people to save them. The news outlets also support this idea. It is refreshing to read comments from people who are willing to speak out with knowledgeable info. We, in America are being lied to and scammed by businesses, news outlets and charities who make a living off of naive, uneducated American citizens.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    July 22, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Oh my, another pull at the heartstrings article from the DN in support of illegal immigration. The family in the article did not sneak in across the border whIch is good. The answer is for private individuals/entities to voluntarily pay the visa, travel, and medical costs. Taxpayers are already paying too much in services for illegals.

  • davidroy Flagstaff, AZ
    July 22, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    Not to sound heartless.... especially when little kids are involved... but isn't it about time that
    the Mexican government take some responsibility for its own citizens. If indeed they don't have
    the facilities in Mexico to tend to the special needs of these children then they should at least be
    agreeable to being billed for these services provided by us or any other country. This attitude that
    everything is free in the United States has to be curbed. Nothing is free, someone always has to pay
    the bill, either directly or indirectly. They encourage their citizens to break our immigration laws.
    Why? Because they know when they get here and get jobs they will literally send billions of dollars
    back to Mexico. It's a giant source of revenue for Mexico, why would they not encourage it. Yet I
    never hear any of our elected officials or illegal immigrant sympathizers get on Mexico's government
    to do right by its citizens. We're the bad guys for trying to enforce our immigration laws. They'll
    protest up here against our government when they should be protesting down there against their
    government, Sorry, a little off topic but related.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 22, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    @tenx Mexico is blessed with vast amounts of oil and certainly could do so if the will/desire was there to do it.

    That sums up Mexico no will including corrupt officials. The Mexican people have plenty of will when it comes to going north and sucking the life blood out of America but when it comes to doing what it takes to change their own country they do nothing. Gutty americans revolted against tyrany but the mexicans do nothing.

  • Ms Molli Bountiful, Utah
    July 22, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    Treat them in Mexico.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    I have a friend who is retired and living in Lake Chapala area just outside of Guadalajara. He says his expatriate health care premium is $18 per month and that the care is quite good, in fact excellent. One thing that might help is for Mexico to lower its passport fees and subsidise visa costs. $600 is outrages. Seems to me that Mexico could do more for their citizens who have problems such as told in this story. Mexico is blessed with vast amounts of oil and certainly could do so if the will/desire was there to do it.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 22, 2011 6:03 a.m.

    There is a Shriners hospital in Mexico city.

  • M. Matchette Syracuse, Utah
    July 22, 2011 5:40 a.m.

    Good points RichardB, and may I add that maybe the US DOJ and the ATF ought not to be colluding together and shipping arms to the drug lords and blaming it on the US 2nd Amendment of the Constitution.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    July 22, 2011 4:20 a.m.

    Why don't the foreign nationals use their own health care services in Mexico? Health care in the United States is not free either, and its time they learn how to pay for some of their responsibilty.

    It's about time the border is showing some security. If the shiners wanted illegal foreign nationals in their hospitals, they would go get them. The shiners is a US organization, not an international free care clinic. The only reason the Shriners does see them when they are here is because they do it through the emergency rooms to make American taxpayers pay their bills.

    We cannot have any more sympathy laws in the US, they are killing the economy.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 22, 2011 2:17 a.m.

    Why didn't they move the clinic deeper into Mexico (which has fine facilities away from the border?)

    Mexico has a private and public health care system that is on par with the US. Many American doctors train there, and many Mexican doctors train here. "Public health care is provided to all Mexican citizens as guaranteed via Article 4 of their Constitution." (Wikipedia, Mexico's health care system)

    I think it's great what the Shriners do, but I would hope they think about moving to countries that don't have the health care that Mexico has(Nicaragua, Honduras?)