The u can only hope that Oregon, USC and others get the apparent sanctions
coming and get to the championship game because all the others are ineligable.
How long before the u finds itself presdsured into the pac10 game. Agents,
scouts, if you want to win in the 10 you have to play the games and the game.
All part of the bcs, its ok though, just ask the sugar bowl, ohio state, the
fiesta bowl and money. Boy is it showing now.But wow we are part of
the bcs!Mark it down, the bcs will be history, three years.
Pacificblue55 asked the question "Why is there so much interest in BYU from
Ute fans? Shouldn't they direct the hatred toward USC/Oregon/Stanford or whoever
from the PAC12 that's going to be their new rival now?"There is
a pretty simple answer; lack of experience. Rivalries are built over years and
decades and right now the only "friend" that Utah has is BYU. They
don't have a relationship with anyone in their new league and more important,
they don't have the respect of anyone in the PAC12 at this point. Utah will learn to hate their new opponents the old fashioned way. They will
earn it. The first time that the Stanford band takes a shot at them because of
their state, or religion, or Cal protests their game, and after they have been
soundly beaten by USC and Cal and Stanford and Oregon and even WSU, they will
realize the enormity of their new situation. Then they can start to build
respect and rivalries. In about 20 or 30 years they will be ready to leave
their old friends behind. Until then, we are stuck with the Utes and their
to Cougar Claws:Neither of them are "great" players yet. Let's
give them this year to prove that they belong on any list.
Pre season hype rarely lives up to the billing. False praise can lead to false
hope, I want this team to win and win the big games they have scheduled this
year. No body wins anything with out playing the games so lets play ball,and
leave all the pre season lame name game alone until some one actually does
something to win it, nominees are nothing but beauty queens waiting for there
lucky shot. You gotta put up or shut up.
ND FAN For the record, things stated that have yet to happen are
known as predictions, expectations, even delusions. Hard facts are things
already done and documented.
carbaoU & Tomahawk Red 2 with ruffled feathers and counting!What is it with you guys? Both Wynn and Heaps on a pre-season watch
list, how is this not a good thing? Will either of them win an award? I can
wait, and if either of them have the kind of season that earns them that kind of
recognition, I can live with that too.Ruffled feathers...
Don't worry about it, you have to have a strong work ethic to win that award.
Re: reggaeaggieTurbin can also get stuffed on 4th and short by
Andrew Rich and get injured for an entire season, and get more than 10 carries
per game.Florida State's defense would shut him down, too.Can Turbin return kicks or play slot receiver either? Didn't think so.JJ is a great back and an even better person who has never received the
respect he deserves. I would easily call him the best back in the state.
"Why are we commenting on football during Tour de France season
anyway?"Because football in the offseason is more exciting than
Tour de France during Tour de France season.
Andrew Luck probably cost himself $40 million by staying in school.
Why is there so much interest in BYU from Ute fans? Shouldn't they direct the
hatred toward USC/Oregon/Stanford or whoever from the PAC12 that's going to be
their new rival now? If they are at a different level why continue beating on a
small school like BYU? It's time to think big and rise up to the new
competition. You can probably beat the some of the weaker teams in the NFL with
the talent and coaching that you have. Don't waste your time looking for
newspaper articles about BYU.
wwookie - Come on. BYU's run game has been so solid in past years they have felt
comfortable suspending some of their best running backs (I can think of three
off hand, but if I name them D-News will block my comment). What other team has
ever had a big enough cushion to do that?I always laugh at watch
lists. They are watching every player. You can't tell me that if a freshman
comes in and runs for 250 yards per game they are going to deny him the honour
because he was not on a watch list. "That kid had five sacks a game. Too
bad he isn't eligible because he didn't make the watch list last
summer."Why are we commenting on football during Tour de France
Aggie84 - Thought we were over the Nelson discussions. When he transferred,
nobody would have guessed that BYU would start a freshman quarterback. It looked
like his timing was perfect, even after they picked up the Heaps commitment. So
the answer to your question is when he transferred, he was in excellent position
to start two years. That was a reasonable gamble, it was just as likely that the
Aggies would pick up a star QB while he was away. A shame really, I was excited
to watch him play. With two o-linemen on watch lists this is shaping up to be a
great year for BYU Quarterbacks (as long as a tight end steps up early in the
year). For the record, Nelson is going to get a couple of starts this season.
Heaps is going to get hit too many times early in the schedule. He will also get
plenty of clean up time later in the season when the schedule softens (after
Utah State of course). We can both watch him play.
wwookie"We all know BYU doesn't do squat with their run
game."Even back in the days before BYU became a nationally
recognized program, BYU had a great running back.Eldon Fortie led
the nation in rushing the year BEFORE LaVell became BYU's head coach, and unlike
any player from Utah, BYU has actually won the Doak Walker Award.U
talk the talk, but U've never walked the walked.
@carbaoU and other Ute trolls.You've named Utes who have made the
watch list. Now share with us how many Utes have ever won any of these
awards.These Awards have "actually" been won by BYU
players.Heisman Trophy Davey O'Brien Trophy 4 times
(more than any other school)Sammy Baugh Trophy 7 timesOutland Trophy 2 timesDoak Walker Trophy Throw
in an NFL MVP (twice), a Super Bowl MVP and 7 Hall of Famers, and really, is
Utah even in this discussion?Again Utes, BYU has been there and done
that, the U never has!
BYU is going to have a stellar passing game this year, so if JJ has a good
enough year to be a Doak Walker finalist, BYU's offense is going to be
unstoppable.Frankly, I'll be satisfied with 150-200 yards rushing
per game split between two or three running backs. That would be enough to keep
opposing defenses honest and create space for the passing game.My
biggest concern is at TE. If BYU's TEs start producing, BYU's offense is going
to be loaded across the board.
wwookie"We all know BYU doesn't do squat with their run
game."Ever heard of Willis, Jenkins, Staley or Unga?BYU's run game gets over looked because of their stellar passing attack.
However, history shows otherwise. Pull up the stats and you'll find consistent
100 yard performances by individuals and 1,000 yard performances for the
season.The chances of DiLuigi winning the Doak Walker award are
slim, because you'll see a repeat performance of last year's stellar running
game with duties being shared by DiLuigi, Juice, and Kariya. The three combined
will be put on a clinic since each of their styles are so different. Look for
the combined effort to be well over 1,500 yards. To use your word, that is
"squat".The only questions for 2011's running game will be
whether or not highly touted RM Adam Hine gets into the action or if he
redshirts and whether Manoa Pikula sees action at FB in his Freshman campaign.
I love the talk about expansion of trophy cases. JJ Di Whomever isn't even the
best running back in the state, let alone the country. I believe Robert Turbin
takes that honor this year. Just because it isn't in the Cougarette err..
Deseret News doesn't mean it isn't happening. I saw a billboard going up down
in Provo today. A picture of Jake Heaps and the tagline: Delusion: Pass it on.
Very surprised with Luigi. We all know BYU doesn't do squat with their run game.
Even if he was the best running back in the nation, no one would know it because
BYU would never give him a chance to show it. Heaps is a legitimate
selection, especially given how he was improving drastically near the end of the
season. I'm excited to watch his games, and with the exception of one early
season game, will be hoping he can have success in the W column.
Turbin can run circles around Di Luigi, Turbin will out rush Luigi by 600 yards
this year easy. What did he do last year against the Aggie? btw there are Aggies
on all the lists also just like Utes. I respect the Utes and their progaram, I
was treated with great respect two years ago in SLC. We got smashed but fun.
Turbin had that 96 yard dash but other than that run he was held in check.
Every year since I've lived here, I've had to endure the usual "we're going
all the way this year", "this is our year for another
championship", and "BCS here we come" drone with the same
outcome. BYU will win 7 games. They can't compete at that level. Ole Miss,
Oregon State, TCU, and Texas will embarrass them (will maybe Ole Miss won't
embarrass, but will win). Heaps is good but not of the caliber of the great QBs.
TCU and Texas will bottle Luigi up. I don't want to be a buzzkill, but those are
the facts. BYU cannot recruit like other schools and Mendenhal is just a good
mid level coach. Just the plain hard facts. Sorry if it offends.
@cougar fan in TX: they don't have anyone on the list because their hope for a
running game consists of a rugby player a JC transfer and a freshman.
Still don't understand why Riley would go to the Y to sit second fiddle? Bet he
second guesses his decision now.
hedgehog"How is the Doake watch list selected?? almost 60 players
show up on the list....so it must not be very difficult to get
"watched". Seems like a big waste of time."If it's so
easy to get on the list, why don't u have anyone who made this "not very
difficult to get watched" list?College Football News descibes
it as "prestigious". U describes it as a "waste of time".
Hmmm, who should I believe?BTW, it's spelled Doak, not Doake. And,
when u have a RB who wins this award like BYU has, you will probably get to
know more about it. Be patient my friend.
"the non "research" school."What did you do your
research in? The philosophy of trolling?
hedgehog - "How is the Doake watch list selected??"cheeseman187 - "Literally took me less than a minute to Google this and
find out."hedgehog - "Might want to "google"
this one more time and this time maybe take two minutes on your research. Get
back to me when you think you got the correct answer..K?"hmmm,
I'm guessing you're still working on the English 99R class; you might want to
start with the correct spelling of the award. Get back to me when you think you
figured that out.
"The list is selected by past college quarterbacks who have been
successful. Literally took me less than a minute to Google this and
find out."cheesyman,hmmmm, I'm guessing you go to
bYu...you know, the non "research" school. Might want to
"google" this one more time and this time maybe take two minutes on
your research. Get back to me when you think you got the correct answer..K?
"hedgehog | 3:03 p.m. July 15, 2011Ann Arbor, MIHow is the
Doake watch list selected?? almost 60 players show up on the list....so it must
not be very difficult to get "watched". Seems like a big waste of
time. "-------------The list is selected by past college
quarterbacks who have been successful. Literally took me less than a
minute to Google this and find out.
Tomahawk Red...I cannot tell you how many times I have seen the same
thing from some of the u fans out there. Let's not just spin this to try to make
it look like it comes from just the Y fans.Just look at one
particular individual who thinks he is still in High School and writing a
research paper with all his "footnotes". The problem is that most,
upwards of 95% of his quotes come from VERY biased sources. They are not facts
or even close to facts, but because he has his "footnote", he thinks
that somehow it is a fact and will stick by it even if it is proven wrong.Just say'n....
Portland Trailblazers...Your uninformed opinion is a great example
of how so many haters on this board run their mouth all day, stating opinion as
fact when they haven't even bothered to check the lists. Wynn is on
the list too. Now that you've been informed, I'm really interested
to hear you explain your incorrect trash talk. You too Y daddy, Y
DevilishUte | 3:28 p.m. July 15, 2011 Tempe, AZ My 2 Dads - When do the season previews begin? You're waaaaay behind the pace set by
other respectable newspapers around the country. - - - - -I am
guessing they wait until everyone else has finished so they can review it and
provide a summary for us.
I think Reno Mahe is on somebody's list...
"Portland Trail Blazers | 3:24 p.m. July 15, 2011 Sandy, UT hedgehog,Theer are NO Ute players on any list."- - - - - Another ignorant BYU fan? How many are there? Here are Utah players on
national watch lists:Jordan Wynn - O'Brien (QB)Chaz Walker -
Lombardi (Off. & Def Linemen, Linebackers)Tony Bergstrom - Outland
(Interior Linemen)DeVonte Christopher - Biletnikoff (WR)I
don't see any BYU, Utah, or USU players winning any national awards. Heaps
maybe has chance in next two years, but not this year. There are much more
talented QB's on the list.
Actually, PB&J, Wynn is also on the Davey O'Brien watch list. You should
check your facts before speaking out of turn (like you usually do).
Jordan Wynn is on the O'Brien Watch List? That ought to tell you just how
"hard" getting onto the watch list is. I am as big a Utah fan as there
is, but even I can admit Wynn does not belong there. He failed us against top
competition last year (injured or not. If he was injured he acted selfishly in
hiding it from the team).
My 2 Dads - Wynn is also on the Davey O'Brien list. Neither Wynn
nor Heaps will win the award. However, it's a nice compliment to appear on the
list.DNews,When do the season previews begin? You're
waaaaay behind the pace set by other respectable newspapers around the country.
hedgehog,Theer are NO Ute players on any list. You should pack it up
and leave. You can make no argument. and... GO COUGARS
I guess Legacy Hall will need to make more room! No doubt where the best
athletes go to play in state...BYU! This will be an Historic year for BYU.
carbaoU"if you think anyone from the universities here in Utah
will actually be a finalist for either award, you are drinking some serious
homer kool-aid"The same thing was being said about Jimmer about
this time last year.J.J. doubtful; but Reynolds and Heaps could be
legitimate candidates for national awards.
How is the Doake watch list selected?? almost 60 players show up on the
list....so it must not be very difficult to get "watched". Seems like
a big waste of time.
Y Grad / Y Dad | 2:40 p.m. July 15, 2011Richland, WA Oh, my. This
will ruffle some feathers- - - - Have you seen all the QBs on the
list? And if you think anyone from the universities here in Utah will actually
be a finalist for either award, you are drinking some serious homer kool-aid.
Another tough early schedule, but if Jake can lead BYU through September
unscathed, this could be an historic year for BYU football. Regardless, I think
it's going to be a very fun year and I'm very excited to see how BYU fares as an
Oh, my. This will ruffle some feathers.
Two great athletes on what is going to be a great team this year. I think Di
Luigi has greater athleticism than he has had a chance to show, even though he
has already had a nice career. Go Cougs!
Luigi is going to have a big year. He is a ton of fun to watch. I hope he does
the jig again in the end zone.