Disclaimer: Posters please avoid mgr69, Starfarer, and Duckhunter. For they know
not how foolish and hate filled they are. This thread was producing
some really intelligent banter before those fools showed up. Here's
hoping they bless us with their absence here, and on future threads.
MenaceToSociety | 5:37 p.m. July 13, 2011 "...There are
something like 68 million Catholics in this country. BYU just can't touch
that..."and 67.3 million of them are soccer fans.
Nobody in the Pac hates Utah. They don't know them well enough to love or hate
them yet. I think they may underestimate them -- they will learn soon enough not
to. But -- back to the actual article: Media day was great. ESPN
does seem to be showcasing their new partner. That's good to see. I loved seeing
the Bronc all tanned and relaxed from surfing the Cali coastline. He seems
renewed and excited for this next season. I didn't get this same feeling from
him last Summer. His words then were cautious -- especially about the QB
situation with Heaps and Riley. Mostly, I am excited to FINALLY get to watch my
Cougars play. I haven't been able to do that much since we moved here from Utah.
While I believe Tom Holmoe, I however dont doubt the Big-East did put out a
feeler on the situation. It wasnt an outright offer as some love to assert. If
I were Tom Holmoe I would do EVERYTHING to keep the lid on this one since it was
a football only inquiry. Dave Rose and the basketball team as well as the other
sports felt chucked under the bus last August as it is and I doubt Holmoe or the
other senior administrators at BYU would entertain such a move that would
further distance the perceived value of the other sports from the football
program. I dont think all the chairs are filled in this league realignment and
dont see it finalized for any period of stability until 2015 at the earliest.
The Big-East starting next year followed by the Big-12 a couple of years later
are next up to renegotiate their first tier football TV rights. Despite the
BYU-hating naysayers who think the schools no Sunday play policy would preclude
them (the perpetual broken record!), the Big-12 could very easily step forward
and invite BYU sooner than later.
@ MenaceToSociety - 5:37 p.m. July 13, 2011Well, when BYU beats ND,
they DO "touch" their fans, dont' they?BYU HAS beaten ND
in the past (and at THEIR place, too), and will do so in the future. Touchy,
@I Still Can't Say It "I support the team in Provo's move to independence.
Its conference mates have never liked the Cougars and it's always the most hated
member. BYU's like the weird annoying family that most neighborhoods
have..."Very true, it's a "weird" family for having
standards and sticking to them, and it's an "annoying" family because
they win at everything. No wonder people are happy to see them go :)@mgr63I dunno why you keep saying that BYU always has a slow
defense...2006 and 2007 they were considered the fastest D in the conference!
This year, Pendleton and Van Noy (2 LB's) have been clocked in the
4.5 time in the 40 with Kaveinga at a 4.6.Jordan Johnson and Joe
Sampson (2 Db's) have been clocked in the 4.4 area with Preston Hadley and
Corbie Eason coming in around 4.5. But I guess we'll have to see
how it plays out on the field...players are generally supposed to be faster than
that in game time :)Go Cougars!
@mgr69: "BYU has MAYBE 2 million fans at the most. And, about 20+ million
football fans in the US that want to see them lose every game"You're seriously suggesting that there are 20+ million people in the USA that
want BYU to lose every game. In other words, about 7% of the population -- 7 out
of 100 men, women and children -- hates BYU? So if I visited an
elementary school in Baltimore with 1000 students, 70 of those young 'uns will
be watching BYU play on ESPN and hoping they lose? And if I go to hospital in
Florida with 500 patients: 35 of those patients will be wearing red when BYU
plays the Utes in September?I think you're overestimating how many
people even know about BYU enough to hate them.Your 2 million BYU
fans number, on the other hand, is also weak. There are millions of LDS church
members in the USA who will root for BYU, regardless of where they live. Plus,
there are LOT of non-LDS folk who have enjoyed the exciting style of football
BYU has played over the past 30 years enough to watch their games on ESPN.
I support the team in Provo's move to independence. Its conference mates have
never liked the Cougars and it's always the most hated member. BYU's like the weird annoying family that most neighborhoods have. It's
better for everyone if that family moves out to the country where it can't
bother anyone any longer.The last thing to do here is for the Utes
to no longer play the team in Provo any longer.
mgr,Did you even watch the TCU game. 2 of their first three touchdowns
were on a long field in the first quarter. That has nothing to do with the
offense and more to do with the fact that the secondary kept letting TCU
receivers get behind them.
@MGR 63 wrote:PS. You'll never see a Ute fan with some ridiculous
t-shirt on claiming we are an "awesome" football team like the cougars
do every darn year.......the jokers!You're right. The phrase MAFU
was always on hats not on shirts...
@antiBCSWhen the Ute offense couldn't do anything.....3 and outs on
most possessions, any defense gets tired. When Jordan Wynn got injured
mid-season.......game, set, match.........that is why the Utes were very
mediocre last year and way overrated.......like BYU is every year.
"other schools respect the U of U and speak highly of their speedy, stingy
defense"What happened to that speedy, stingy defense against
TCU (7-47), Notre Dame (3-28) and BSU (3-26)?
MenaceToSociety/mgr63"Notre Dame of the west"...........ay
yes? Isn't that just "vintage" cougar fan hyperbole?"Isn't big brother envy vintage Utah fan insecurity?The comment
about BYU becoming Notre Dame West was made by a CBS Sportswriter:Brett McMurphyCBSSports.com Senior Writer"By being on
national television virtually every week, BYU could quickly become Notre Dame
West or an even a much smaller version of the New York Yankees - well, if the
Yankees had an honor code."We do empathize with your plight,
however. Just when you thought you'd finally surpassed your big brother, you
look around and discover that almost every BYU game will be on ESPN, while U
couldn't even manage one single ESPN game without the help of big brother.
starfarer,Don't worry about what everyone is saying, mgr showed up
and took the hate to a whole new level. To all the Utah fans who
were so quick to jump on star, where are you when one of your own is so out of
control?As for you mgr, where do you get this 2 million number? Back
it up. Quote a source. You have no credibility when you have proven in the past
that all you do is throw out made up numbers and mix in a bigoted comment now
@PAC12FanUtah has definitely turned some heads, that's for sure. If
you read the sports boards on various sites, the vast majority of fans from
other schools respect the U of U and speak highly of their speedy, stingy
defense most notably. We Ute fans are grateful for all the great things that
have happened to our program this century and we are hopeful that our Ute squad
will represent the PAC12 well and maybe appear in the Rose Bowl someday if we
can continue to improve.PS. You'll never see a Ute fan with some
ridiculous t-shirt on claiming we are an "awesome" football team like
the cougars do every darn year.......the jokers!
I doubt the utes are hated by the pac10 teams. None of them have any reason to
hate them. utah's success against pac10 teams is minimal and they aren't
striking fear in any of them. I can easily see how the pac10 fans will come to
despise the classless utah fans after being exposed to them regularly but I
highly doubt utah as a progam will ever be consistently successful enough to
foment any hate from the rest of the pac10 schools. Hate is reserved
only for those programs that consistently beat everyone else. That is not
something the utes will ever have to worry about.
I moved from the the West Coast and the bozo that wrote that the Utes are hated
are fabricating stories. The Utes are a novelty to my collegues. Maybe your blue
buddies hate Utah for not liking BYU but you need to get your facts correct.
"Notre Dame of the west"...........ay yes? Isn't that just
"vintage" cougar fan hyperbole? BYU has MAYBE 2 million fans at the
most. And, about 20+ million football fans in the US that want to see them lose
every game. Notre Dame is the most popular football team in the history of the
sport..........The only team with a network TV contract no less. Oh my
goodness......it just never ends. Even on ESPN the other night there was a
segment on "independence" discussed in a round table format and every
analyst on the panel all but broke up in laughter when BYU claimed that
erroneous possibility. Can't BYU just be a factor at some point? Isn't that good
enough for their fan base? I guess not, so they invent crap and embarrass
themselves to no end, continuously. My goodness?
Yes, Notre Dame West.... with about 5% of the total fanbase Notre Dame has.
There are something like 68 million Catholics in this country. BYU just can't
HAHAHAHA! A trip to the sweet 16 for the first time in 30 years and the rabid Y
fan thinks that the "honor code" cost them the NCAA title possibly?
OMG? That is rich! HAHAHAHA! Honestly, is there any better entertainment than
ardent BYU fans........? Not a chance!
Ute fan, here. I didn't watch or hear much about the BYU media day, other than
what was presented in this article. However, I did hear a lot of chat on 700 AM
(our ESPN sports radio station). ESPN seems genuinely excited about this new
relationship with BYU! Of course they are....they've signed an independent team
with a presence in every state, and nearly every country.This just
seems like a win-win for BYU and ESPN. Good luck to the Y!
BYU will gain both new friends and new enemies because of the honor code and its
media attention this year.New friends will come from those who
respect BYU's sticking to its honor code in spite of it costing them a chance at
the national championship in basketball, and from those who respect having an
honor code.New enemies will come from those who are jealous because
they can't (and maybe don't want to) have any semblance of an honor code.The world's full of lovers and haters, as we BYU fans reading posts to
DNews articles are quite aware of.
All I can say is that I went to the U and the U of Hawaii. My college years were
a blast, wild times..........."honor code?" In college? HAHAHAHA! That
would have ruined all the fun.
I had several people at work (mostly Texas fans) who watched the 15 minute Media
Day segment on ESPN yesterday, and were impressed. I don't think any of them
tuned into BYUtv for the whole enchilada like I did. But how many college
football teams get 15 minutes of fame on ESPN for their Media Day? And it's not like there was big news. I think the biggest announcement they
made was Bronco's 3 year contract. ESPN is clearly doing what they can to help
us to Independence.
Starfarer:The only reason Devilish Ute knows about your purported
"diatribe" is because he's hanging out on a BYU article.
Laser,"Funny to watch utah fans react"The only
one funny to watch here is Starfarer and he is not a Utah fan.
Starfarer:I think the reality of it is, is that the Utes are up
against some heavy odds in the Pac-12. But that being said, Utah is no team to
underestimate or take lightly by any Pac-12 team. Utah is strong enough
particularly at defensive line to hang around with most teams in the country.
For the rest of the Pac-12's sake, just coming from a BYU fan, don't take the
Utes lightly or you might be sorry. Utes aside, I'm thrilled to
death for my Cougars! There isn't a weak spot on the team in terms of experience
except for the secondary, but even still I would daresay the BYU secondary has
better athletes and more depth, I would argue, then they have ever had, ever.
(Not necessarily a gigantic accomplishment considering BYU secondaries of the
past). But in other words, I think that they have closed the talent gap in the
secondary with a lot of teams with the kind of athletes they have. I'm not
saying they could beat any team in the country, but there isn't a game on BYU's
schedule they can't win in my opinion.
StarfarerLet it go, you'll feel a lot better inside. It's just a
game, it's meant to be fun. I've read your posts for quite a while and they
always make me laugh. If you really hate a bunch of buildings and the people
that reside in them, then I feel sorry for you. I love the rivalry and enjoy
the banter, but I do respect BYU, it's a fine institution. I realize that fans
(like you) don't represent the university so I'm willing to look beyond your
post. Although the honor code seems 'weird', I'm glad someone
sticks up for what they believe in nowadays. The honor code is meant to keep
young men and women strong and healthy spiritually/physically/mentally, how is
that a bad thing?There's my pro-BYU post for the month.GO UTES!
As a devout ASU fan, I'd say we and UofA had better check our win/loss record
from the past few years before we take Utah lightly.Although, ASU should
be a pretty good team this year.Personally, I'm hoping Utah comes to the
PAC12 with another one of their bruising defensive teams to earn some quick
respect.Is anybody else ready for some college football???
Big success yesterday and a lot of fun. They'll just get better each year. Funny to watch utah fans react. I thought being in the PAC 12 would
elevate them so high that they'd be pretty laid back towards BYU. Wow, I guess
not, jealousy is a tough habit to break.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidtWhining about playing on ESPN 10 times
this season, instead of only once for that mighty BCS school? Hardly!
IndianaCoug,That non LDS kid you referred to must not have talked to
Kyle Whittingham. He has an honor code for his team and he runs a tight ship.
Starfarer,I could literally feel the hate in your
comment. OK, we Ute fans get it. You don't like Utah and never will. You seem
obsessed with posting this stuff every day. Wow, and you must be proud of
yourself because as of right now you have five recommendations from other Utah
The Big East rumor was simply an inquiry from the Big East about whether BYU
would be interested in joining the Big East as a football-only member. No
official offer was ever made by the Big East, so no official rejection of an
offer was ever given by BYU. No official announcement was ever made, because an
inquiry, by definition, is simply part of the information gathering stage of a
BYU still whining about losing is typical of their ongoing good but not great
that has them going independent instead of to a BCS conference.
StarfarerJust a suggestion; wait until after the usual suspects post
one of their inane comments before lashing out at them. Then rebut their feeble
smack with facts and subtle jabs. Don't give them the satisfaction of giving
them more attention than they deserve.BYU Media Day, imho, was a
huge success in setting the stage for the unique challenges and endless
possibilities created for BYU by going independent.10 games on ESPN
is more than even the most die-hard BYU fan imagined last fall when BYU
announced its partnership with ESPN. Most importantly, The BYU/ESPN/BYUtv
partnership is giving BYU fans worldwide unprecendented access to BYU sports,
not to mention, better media attention than BYU has ever had.
I never bought into the Big East rumor. There is only one "journalist"
who reported it and he is really nothing more than a glorified blogger, and he
offered no evidence other than telling readers to "connect the dots".
My crow was a bit stringy but tasted ok with a lot of barbecue sauce. I read,
and believed that BYU had spoken with the Big East. On another note. In
spite of the rumors that the rest of the PAC hates or takes the Utes lightly, I
have to say BS. Before they joined I'm betting it was more indifference. The
Utes are now the enemy and they have beaten the PAC teams enough to have their
respect. I am sure that, like me, most posters know a few Ute and BYU fans but
to say that all the U of A or ASU fans hate the Utes is ridiculous. Coach Whittingham is a class act and has his own personal standards which are,
I'm sure, very similar to BYU's. Many of the players have the same "self
imposed" honor code because of their personal values or religious
convictions. They are not held to them to the level BYU players are by the
school or the coaches, but they have them just the same.
Didn't have anything better to do last hour as I was waiting for some business
to come in...Interesting, when I make broad assumptions people
correct me, lets see if that same correction happens when other broad
assumptions are made. Let's see if that knife is sharp on both sides shall
we?I can't wait for football!
@starfarerYou seem like a really reputable source and I am sure you
speak for entire PAC 12 when you say that the rest of the PAC 12 doesn't like
the University of Utah. After all you are just some random person living in
Arizona that happens to know what everyone else is saying so I'm sure you know
what you're talking about. All I know is that I can't wait for the college
football season to start. Good luck to BYU and Utah. (And Michigan)
Go Cougs, time to shine
Maybe it's time for a fan honor code.
Star Fairy-I also live in PAC-12 country and am hearing the exact
opposite of you as far as the Utes go. ASU fans are taking them serious. I
attended both Utah and ASU and have many contacts at both schools. You need to
lighten up and quit mentioning Utah in your posts, especially since you claim
that you no longer care about them in diatribe after diatribe.
FYI, I've heard Coach Whittingham talk about the code of conduct for his
players. Regardless of anyone's opinion of some, not the majority of, Ute fans,
Coach Whitt is a class act.
@Starfarer wow. you need to take a break from the rivalry. You are
becoming just as consumed in bitterness as hedgehog is. Your bitterness only
hurts you. just let it go and enjoy BYU's success.
Kudos to BYU for making the most of this opportunity. Even though I'm a diehard
Ute, I am interested to see how it plays out.To all those who
insisted that a Big East invite occurred despite ANY concrete evidence, you can
now eat crow. Holmoe, himself, disclosed that the runmors were utterly false.
Interesting....Seems like the country paid about as much attention
to BYU's media day as they do about any media day from any school, but let's
wait for the ute troll opinion before we can truly assess whether it was a
success or not. After all, they know so much...I live in PAC 10.2
ASU territory and love to hear what the ASU fans think of the utes. They, nor
the rest of the PAC 10.2, have any respect for them. ute fans always trash BYU
about being hated, well, I got news for you. Welcome to being hated by the rest
of your conference.I can't wait to go with my buddy, in a year or
so, to watch the Sun Devils trash the utes. I might even turn into a semi ASU
fan on those days. Heck, I got another buddy who is a UofA fan, and he's invited
me to that beat down too.Never wanted anything to do with the utes,
but now I just might have a reason, on the other side...
I'm amazed by how much attention the BYU honor code has been given by the
national media in the last six months. BYU is really separating itself from the
pack through increased national exposure for doing the right things and having
success on the field (and court)... which all contributes to the national brand.
It was cool to hear Bronco yesterday talk of the non-LDS player who,
after his visit to the Y, started asking other elite BCS teams about their honor
codes. He ultimately signed with BYU partly because no other school had a code
of conduct that they held their players accountable to. Which goes to show that
we CAN recruit top talent, even non-lds talent, because student-athletes want
the BYU experience (and because they know their family and friends can watch
them on t.v.). Go Cougs!