@DevilishUte "Best fit does not mean that he is a better coach."True, but it does mean ESPN feels that Bronco is the best coach for
BYU...but as you said, it's a matter of opinion. The purpose of my
previous post was to show @forreal that the national media do not all think K
Whit is the better coach, as he seems to think they do.K Whitt's a
great coach. Bronco's a great coach. Both BYU and Utah have great football
programs. Utah's had a couple of great seasons over the last seven years which
helped them earn a PAC 12 berth. BYU's had a history of success over the last
four decades which helped them earn a contract with ESPN and allowed them to go
independent.Both schools have a bright future ahead. Here's to
their continued success.Go Cougars!
"False statement...last year ESPN ran an article on best coaching fits in
the nation. Guess who came in #1? Bronco Mendenhall."Best fit
does not mean that he is a better coach. All it means is that he is a good fit
for his situation. And just because ESPN ran an article stating that he was a
good fit doesn't mean it's fact. It's an opinion, brah. Just like most of the
rhetoric found on these boards.
Looks like another good recruit for the Cougars. All of the newer recruits
for both the Utes and the Cougars seem to be a step or two above what we saw
from the instate school a few years ago. Is Gray Anderson @ USU a good fit
?How about McBride ? --he rejuvenated WSU football and they are now
difference makers in the Big Sky. I think we all can agree that both
Mendenhall and Whitt are great," fits",for their programs. What better
fit than Whittingham for the Utes and Bronco for the Cougars ? Overall, I
just see better student-athletes being recruited at all four schools, especially
at the U and the Y. They are adding depth in all positions with some very very
I believe that this article was about a great young man who grew up wanting to
be a Cougar football player and then proving himself to be just that.
Congratulations, BYU, on another great find.Please keep the comments
just to the contents of the article and---by the way,Go Cougars!
hedgehogTop 10 recruiting classes or not, there isn't a single
program in the country that has managed to finish in the Top 25 in 100% of the
final polls since 2000.Proof that recruiting isn't everything. If it
was, Utah would never have a chance of winning a PAC 12 title, because the Utes
will NEVER outrecruit USC, UCLA, Oregon or Stanford.
Hedgehog, Crowntown, forreal, Hailstorm, UteFan.You guys are dead on
right.Let's go over and post on stories about the Utes commits.Come on, let's go!Yaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
Us cougar fans have got to be nicer to Hedgehog, Chris B and their like.They are in a state of shock.They were all certain that by
now, a half week after the Utes joined the PAC12, that most of the 2011 top 150
high school football recruits would have changed their minds, broken their
previous commitments and offered to walk-on at Utah. They knew that
by now the BCS would have already given the Utes an automatic invitation to the
next five national champion ships games (with an option for the next 5).They are slowly coming to the realization that the expectations may take
a month to be accomplished.
@ TheSportsAuthorityNational Coach of the YearWhittingham 1
Re: Anti BCS Because there is a rulebook stating that if your a SC
fan you can't comment on this site??? It's called freedom and I post my
opinion's about other poster's comments and the articles. BTW Anti BCS is anti
BCS because BYU has never been to a BCS.
@forreal people "All national media would never even debate who is a better
coach - it's k whit hands down."False statement...last year
ESPN ran an article on best coaching fits in the nation. Guess who came in #1?
Bronco Mendenhall.I respect both K Whitt and Bronco and I think both
have done a tremendous job. However, Bronco inherited a program
that was really struggling, both with living the standards of the school and
winning football games. In the space of two years, he took a losing record BYU
team to a MWC Championship and a Vegas Bowl win. He also has made the honor
code an emphasis in recruiting and has gotten the program cleaned up to the
point where it represents the school, and its standards, in the way it
should.Anyhoo, all this is moot. K Whitt's a great coach and
Bronco's a great coach. But I wanted to point out that the national media think
Bronco is the best coaching fit in the nation...and I'd have to agree.Go Cougars!
Where precisely is the line for relevant? Is it 5 years? 10 years? Current
coach? Last year?ND is clearly trying to work their way out of a
funk, yet they are a measuring stick. Why? Because they have been relevant?
BYU and UT. Two relevant teams that had off years last year. Most
people give the nod this year to Texas. Why? They've been more relevant.What is more relevant, what is less? Bronco doesn't need K-Whit to be
less so he (Bronco) can be more. Certainly K-Whit doesn't need Bronco to
stumble, except maybe this September.So keep up the steady drum
beat, boys! No matter how you try to make all things BYU irrelevant, it isn't
going to affect the outcome of a single game this year. We'll see in September,
and we'll see at the end of the year.And then we can resume debating
NCs and BCS's.
SeattleUhasabballteam?crowntown is a lukewarm USC fan and an
obsessed BYU hater.No hardcore USC fan would even be interested in
trolling a BYU blog.
forreal peopleA 10+ win Notre Dame team absolutely would have been
ranked in the Top 8.btw, spellcheck is your friend; try it
sometime.We all know the records of the opponents, but what U don't
seem to be able to grasp is that great wins, ugly losses, ranked opponents,
unranked opponents, BCS opponents, non-BCS opponents, road games, home games,
neutral site games, have ALL been included in the final rankings.Utah's best season ever falls short of BYU's best season ever.BYU
1984 #1/#1Utah 2008 #2/#4And Utah's second best season, barely
edges BYU's second best season.Utah 2004 #4/#5BYU 1996
#5/#5But, the biggest difference between BYU 1984 and Utah 2004 and
2008, was BYU had back-to-back Top 10 finishes in 1983 and 1984.Get
back to us when Utah manages to string together more than one Top 15 finish at a
@gonefishn "Pitt has won 9 national titles, and easily has 4 to
5 times more individual awards than BYU."===USU has one
more individual award than UofU.Pitt has ten individual awards, BYU
players have nine. ......................................gonefishn | 4:14 p.m. July 6, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "LonestarrunnerVeritasYou guys are good for a laugh. Thanks
for proving my point."===Anytime bro. If you could
just let us know what your point is???
Swoop,Check your facts. Not one of byu's 10 win seasons
would have ever been close to earning a BCS bid under the ND rule. ND has to be ranked in the top 8 to get an auto bid. BYU's 10+ win
seasons never got them close to a top 8 ranking. I thik the best byu has done
was #12 in 2009. So even if byu got a special ND rule (dream on)
they would never have been close to a bcs bowl.Let alone doing it
the old fashion way, the u of u way, by going undefeted and forcing there way
in.going undefeted and beeting 4 top 25 teams in the reg season (two
top 10). LOL. Call me when byu even beats 3 ranked teams
in a season (they have never done that, ever)Or beter yet call me
when byu goes undefeted beating only ONE ranked team (they have never done that
either)2008 UTAH 13-0, 4-0 (top 25), 2-0 (top 10) BCS game
>>>>> 1984 BYU, 12-0, 0-0 (top 25), 0-0 (top 10) regular bowl
game against terrible loosing record opponantIt's a no brainer
Guys:Crowntown isn't a utah fan. He's a usc fan.
jwskrjI find it hillarious that our little brothers are still
trolling BYU articles a year after they supposedly "moved on" and that
a slam about "childish drivel" is nothing but childish drivel.
sports authority: duh, duh, duh.All you cherry picked facts about
how bronco is a better coach than k whit are completely bs. All
national media would never even debate who is a better coach - it's k whit hands
down.Not only was k whit offered the byu job, he has turned down
offers from big time programs - no one wants bronco. All your stupid
stats are HALF TRUTHES at best. K-whit:57-20Bronco:56-21yes, k whit wins more games FACTk-whit:#2
rankingbronco:#12 rankingk-whit:cracked top 5
twicebronco:never cracked top 11k-whit:more bowl
winsk-whit:more winsk-whit:more bcs winsk-whit:NATIONAL coach of the year awardto even bring it up makes you look
I find it hilarious that a vast majority of the comments on this kids article
have nothing to do with him but rather responses of BYU fans to a few jabs by
Ute fans. Sounds like a few Utah fans have been successful at getting some BYU
fans all riled up. I have to say that this has been pretty comical.
I would say lighten up a little but then your childish drivel is just too
comical. So, keep it up, a little entertainment during this long off-season is
beneficial. It is good to know that not all BYU fans are this
hedgehog"ND has gone to four BCS games since 1997. It's safe to
say Bonko would have never stood a chance at ND."Does it make
you feel like a big man to misspell Bronco's name?You don't hear
Notre Dame fans bragging about their BCS appearances, because Notre Dame fans
understand the difference between winning a national championship and playing in
a BCS game.Bronco would have done great at Notre Dame! You do
realize, don't you, that using Notre Dame's standard for being invited to a BCS
bowl, each of Bronco's four 10-win seasons would have easily gotten him into a
"Nobody said recruiting is meaningless, just that its not the only
factor."truth machine,A little home work assignment
for ya...k?Take your little list and match it up with top 10
recruiting classes of the last 10 years... tell me what you find.
Re: Truthn Machine Those programs are usually in the top 15 or so.
Last yeart was a downer for UT,SC,Georgia and Florid. Would you agree that those
programs are usually in the top 25?
LonestarrunnerVeritasYou guys are good for a laugh. Thanks for
proving my point.Cougar BlueI am not saying that Pitt was
awesome in 2004 but they were ranked going into that game and they were
conferance champs. Michigan was not close to either, apples and oranges.
crowntown1Nobody said recruiting is meaningless, just that its not
the only factor.AP Top 25 Finals during the 2000'sRK....Team....App...Avg RK..High RK 1.....Texas....10....7.00....12.....Okla......9....7.11....13.....Georgia...9...11.89....24.....Va Tech...9...12.44....65.....USC.......8....5.00....16.....Ohio St...8....6.25....17.....Florida...8....8.38....18.....LSU.......8....9.25....19.....Miami.....7....8.14....110....Mich......7....12.29....611....Fla St....7....15.86....512....TCU.......7....16.43....613....Boise St..6....10.50....414....Oregon....6....10.83....215....Auburn....6....12.00....216....West Va...6....15.67....517....Wisc......6....17.00....718....Iowa......5....10.20....719....Penn St...5....12.00....320....Tenn......5....13.80....421....Neb.......5....14.60....822....BC........5....18.00....1023....BYU.......5....18.40....1224....T Tech....5....18.60....1225....Clemson...5....20.80....16FIVE of the Top 10 (Texas,
Florida, USC, Miami and Georgia) were UNRANKED in 2010.
"It's safe to say Bonko would have never stood a chance at ND."Giving Bronco the players and recruiting that ND had, it's not
necessarily safe to say "never". Besides, Bronco's Mormonism would be
far too much for ND to handle (and most other schools, for that matter).
I feel that the 04 Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in a BCS bowl was on par with
the Michigan team BYU beat to win the NC. Yet, Ute fans downplay the quality of
the Michigan team and are totally blind to the weak Pittsburgh team. Their
records may have been different, but Pittsburgh in 04 was no better than
Michigan in 84. Thus according to Ute fans BYU did not deserve a NC. According
to that logic Ute fans should not count their BCS win against Pittsburg. Ute
fans you are hypocritical when you want it your way only.
"btw, Notre Dame's last National Championship was 1988, only four years
after BYU's National Championship'LonestarRunner ,btw,ND has since had four head coach changes in 13 years. Clearly
ND understands that ancient accomplishments are unacceptable.Oh, and
btw, ND has gone to four BCS games since 1997. It's safe to say
Bonko would have never stood a chance at ND.
My point is you are referencing a NC over 2 decades ago. Why?
crowntown1 "Boy it's a good thing you guys don't argue with
Notre Dame fans..."BYU fans don't have to argue with Notre Dame
fans because Notre Dame fans are smart enough to know that a National
Championship is the pinnacle of college football. btw, Notre Dame's
last National Championship was 1988, only four years after BYU's National
"Let's be honest here if Sam Bradford doesn't get injured OU doesn't choke
on the goal line behind a unexpereinced QB, and you won by a point."Let's be honest here if Sam Bradford doesn't get injured the result
would probably be about the same. BYU's defense put OU in their place all game.
OU scored their only touchdown by a fumbled punt. What if Jacobsen had not
fumbled it?So many what-ifs....Bottom line is that BYU
won fair and square. Since there were no questionable calls (no glaring errors
by the refs), the win is as legitimate as could be.
mgr63 | 2:36 p.m. July 6, 2011 DALLAS, TX just another white guy on
defense........the status quo for BYU. ===Agreed...Ya
gotta hate white guys that play defense.When is BYU going to get
green and orange guys on defense?
Why is a NC from 2 decades ago in the conversation. Boy it's a good thing you
guys don't argue with Notre Dame fans they would tell you about the time they
beat Army for the NC in 1948 and then in 1951 and 52.
@gonefishn "Pitt has won 9 national titles, and easily has 4
to 5 times more individual awards than BYU."===USU has
one more individual award than UofU.Pitt has ten individual awards,
BYU players have nine. Pitt National Championships (9 claimed):
1915, 1916, 1918, 1929, 1931, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1976................."My point is that when you have to go back 3
decades to remember the glory days you cannot really call yourself
relevant." "By the way, TCU has 2 national championships
and I have never heard a TCU fan mention them once."==="TCU recognizes two national championships, one from 1935 and the other
from 1938. In 1935, TCU lost in their last game of the year to SMU who then lost
to Stanford in the Rose Bowl. That same year TCU defeated LSU in the Sugar Bowl.
Since the wire services didn't award national championships until 1936, TCU
recognizes a statistical poll created by Paul O. Williamson who awarded his
national title to LSU and TCU for the 1935 season." Davey
O'Brien won the Heisman for TCU in 1938...................TCU
and BYU were the only two teams in the MWC with a NC and a Heisman.===Sorry...Thanks for playing.
just another white guy on defense........the status quo for BYU.
YOu guys are talking about the starting QB and a good one at that. He wouldn't
fell apart in the red zone like the back up did. I'm arguing this because you
guys are pounding your chests like "see recruitng classes don't mean
anything". How many times has OU been in the top 10 in the last 10 years
or so? How about LSU,FLorida,USC,Ohio St.,Texas etc. How many times have you
guys been in the top 10? Don't tell me recruting has nothing to do with it. What
your talking about is every once in awhile a team will come out and be
competitive and win and you try to sell that recruiting is overrated.. But even
Boise St or TCU they haven't been in the top 10 consistently.
gonefishn"My point is that when you have to go back 3 decades
to remember the glory days you cannot really call yourself relevant."Oh yes, the classic "not relevant" because it happened a long
time ago argument that Utah fans love to use, for football only.Ask
Utah fans about basketball, and suddenly relevancy becomes irrelevant. Utah has the "12th winningest" program.Utah played in a
bunch of Final Fours.Utah won an NCAA championship... in 1944. 1998 was sooooo last century; like two decades ago.Next
year, 1998 will be as close to 1984 as it is to 2012.When are Utah
fans going to start claiming that 1998 is irrelevant?As far as glory
days, which team has finished in the Top 15 more times during the last 5
years?Call us the first time Utah finishes a 10 year period with at
least five Top 25 Finishes (50%).BYU has finished in the Top 25
SEVENTEEN times in the last 34 years!
All this banter back and forth between U fans and Ybu fans sounds like me and my
ex wife, pathetic! grow up and move on! kids will be kids.
crowntown1Let's be honest... "if Sam Bradford
doesn't get injured OU doesn't choke on the goal line behind a unexpereinced
QB"if Gary Shiede isn't injured in the Fiesta Bowl, BYU likely
wins their first bowl game in 1974, instead of having to wait another 6 years
for the Miracle Bowl.if Gifford Nielsen doesn't blow out his knee
against Oregon State, the Giff is likely BYU's first Heisman Trophy winner.if BYU's kicker doesn't shank a chip shot FG try, BYU likely has their
first undefeated season in 1979.if 9-11 doesn't happen and if Luke
Staley doesn't blow out his knee against Mississippi State, a fresher BYU team
with the best running back in the country likely beats Hawaii and put enormous
pressure on the BCS to make BYU the first BCS buster.if Oregon
State's kicker doesn't miss two very makeable FGs, Utah doesn't play Alabama in
the Sugar Bowl.Go back and watch the Oklahoma game again. You'll
discover that Max outplayed Sam in the first half and the game was tied when
Bradford was injured. There's no guarantee that Oklahoma would have won the game
even IF Bradford hadn't been injured.if only...
Pitt has won 9 national titles, and easily has 4 to 5 times more individual
awards than BYU. My point is that when you have to go back 3 decades to remember
the glory days you cannot really call yourself relevant. By the way, TCU
has 2 national championships and I have never heard a TCU fan mention them once.
Tcu's victory in the Rose Bowl last year is far more relevent than anything BYU
has done not to mention the Utes or Boise ST.
ute4ever | 9:24 a.m. West Jordan, UT "Can some rational BYU fan
please tell me why your fans always downplay the 2 BCS games that Utah has
played in (ie. "two silly contrived games called BCS" in one post
above), yet BYU's only postseason goal going forward is get into a BCS game? I'm
trying to be serious here."ute4ever | 12:24 p.m. West
Jordan, UT "Ahhh, apparently I've ruffled some feathers..."===Whose feathers did you ruffle? Really, don't falsely
flatter yourself.You say you asked a serious question, and some had
the courtesy and class to provide you serious answers.A BCS game is
not the ceiling for the number one ranked team in college football at the end of
the season, regardless of affiliation. Improbable, yes, but so was 1984
and 2004.But still...Listen to your rational:"I agree that NC > BCS game.""I would say a BCS game
is the equivalent of a NC game for non-BCS schools."Your
statements contradict each other.Is "NC > BCS game", or
"equivalent?"If you evaluate your response at 12:24pm
today, you answered your own question at 10:09 pm.Good luck getting
past your bias.
crowntown1"Let's be honest here if Sam Bradford doesn't get injured .
. ."Let's be honest here if Matt Payne's kick wasn't blocked .
. . U lose to the weakest BYU team during the Bronco era. And who knows, if
Sam Bradford had not been injured, maybe BYU gets two pick six's off him. BYU
was ahead when he went out.If is a pretty big word.crowntown1"Look at the top 10 schools every year they all have top
recruiting classes."Boise State and TCU have seldom had Top 10
recruiting classes and they've frequently found themselves among the Top 10.
Neither BYU nor Utah would ever be ranked in the Top 25 during the season, if
the ranking of the recruits was all that mattered.Texas should have
been a Top 5 team last year, based on the recruiting, but couldn't even manage a
winning season. Texas started to recruit LaMichael James, then decided not to
offer him because they didn't think he was that good. Score one for Oregon.Yes, recruiting matters, but it's not a perfect science. The same
number of 2 stars went in the first round of the last NFL draft as 5 stars.
HedgeNice try. Let me help you out a little... but you
didnt play anyone. It was a weak schedule. You didnt beat any top ten teams?Then why in the final polls did they vote for BYU? Why is there a trophy
in the cabinet at BYU?but you didnt deserve it.Really?
The people who actually had the responsibility to vote, the ones who actually
did the voting and voted for BYU, they were wrong? Were they all reprimanded?
Did they lose their voting privileges?but you didnt play in a BCS
game that decided who the NC was.Thanks genius. The BCS came later,
because BYU = NC.but were better than you.If you were,
why are you arguing that your BCS wins are more important? The same voting
apparatus that voted for BYU in 1984, existed during your wins. They didnt vote
for you. No votes = no NC trophy.but ours was more recent.So? It is still not a national championship! What part of this do you not
understand?No mater how many ****** you put in front or behind it.
We have one.
ute4ever,"But in the current system, there has been and never
will be a scenerio where a non BCS team plays for the national
championship."Major conference fans thought the same thing in
1984, which is the main reason it was so controversial when BYU broke the mold
and won a concensus national championship playing out of the lightly regarded
WAC.For BCS elitists, the ceiling for non-BCS teams may be a BCS
bowl. Fortunately, for BYU fans, BYU strives toward a higher goal, the pinnacle
of major college football, a national championship.--------------------hedgieYou're so delusional! BYU celebrated their win in the Holiday Bowl; then
celebrated the official announcements by all five major selecting organizations
with a parade; then celebrated receiving the Crystal Football trophy
emblematic of major college football supremacy; then celebrated once
again with a simple gesture that only a program that has actually won a major
college football national championship would appreciate...simply
storming out of the field wearing the throwback uniforms of that 1984 team on
the 25th annivesary of BYU's rise to #1 in the polls.
Let's be honest. Guys like this (and their parents) want to play for BYU so
that they can be fully supported to go on a mission, meet a nice Mormon girl,
and get married in the temple. Is this a bad thing? No way. But let's not try
to say it has something to do with TV exposure or independence. Utah's PAC-12
affiliation is better than BYU's independence. But, for Mormon kids and their
parents, BYU has other more valuable benefits that no other school will ever
hedgie"Sidenote: Kwhitt never lost 6 games in a single
season."Sidenotes: KWhit lost to every team in the
MWC during his 6 seasons. Bronco is undefeated against Wyoming, Colorado State,
New Mexico, and UNLV.Bronco has been ranked in the AP Top 25 FOUR
times; Kyle only twiceBronco has TWO MWC championships; Kyle only
one.Bronco has THREE Top 15 finishes; Kyle only one.Bronco has FOUR 10+ win seasons; Kyle only three.Bronco has THREE
seasons with 2 or fewer losses; Kyle only one.Kyle basically has one
great year, but Bronco has been more consistently very good.
ute4ever,I agree with you. The jealous put downs of BCS bowl success
makes no sense. Even ducky would admitt the chances of a non AQ reacting a NC
game (in the BCS era) are as close to zero as you can get.So what is
bYu "questing" for?Answer: BCS bowl game.Also,
bYu didn't play in a NC "game". They played in a non discript December
Bowl game against 6th place Big 10 team.byU's *NC was
"awarded" to them almost a month later. No confetti or NC
acknowledgment after the game.
Ahhh, apparently I've ruffled some feathers and there's claims that I
"downplayed" the 1984 NC. Please tell me where I downplayed this.
The part where I said that you had to be 40 years old to remember it? That
isn't downplaying anything, unless you think that pointing out that the NC was
won a LONG time ago is downplaying.Second, I agree that NC > BCS
game. But in the current system, there has been and never will be a scenerio
where a non BCS team plays for the national championship. So a BCS game is the
ceiling for Utah, BYU, Boise State so long as they are not part of a BCS
conference. So, given the situation, I would say a BCS game is the equivalent
of a NC game for non-BCS schools.Even in the responses BYU fans
downplay BCS games, but still turn around and set "goals" to get
there. So are BYU's goals low? Or is a NC the only thing that can is a
success? If so, BYU will never get there again as an independent since only BCS
teams are invited to the party, so the BSC game end goal makes sense now.
"When BYU defeated Oklahoma in 2009, Oklahoma had 21 ESPNU 150 players.
Interesting that Sam Bradford was not one of them.BYU had ZERO ESPNU
150 players.'calikewg,You guys are great at picking out
the very few anomalies. Now lets get back to the norm...Oklahoma preseason
number 1 and bYu unranked, coming off a 6 lose season.Sidenote:
Kwhitt never lost 6 games in a single season.
Crowntown1As long as we are being honest, if BYU didn't get the
field goal blocked... Well we know what would have happened there.What's your point exactly?Top 10 ten schools get beat every year
by teams with lesser talent and lesser recruiting classes.Trying to
decide which team is better by recruiting classes, conference affiliation, and
any number of other criteria is great fodder for comment boards, but the only
way to tell if a team is better than another team is to have them play against
each other. That's why they play the game.If the
national champion was chosen by commentators, talking heads, and sports casters,
then we could just rotate the NC trophy through the three top schools in the
SEC.The reason that they don't is because it is about players,
playing the game of football, not people talking about the players playing
football."...But we won two BCS games...""...BYU is only a mid major...""...We're better than
you..."Great. Yep. Wonderful.If you are better than
us, why are you always trying to knock us down?
You can still have a great experience at another University if you are LDS. BYU
is the "Church School" but maybe not the best enviroment for some.
Re: Calif Cougar Let's be honest here if Sam Bradford doesn't get
injured OU doesn't choke on the goal line behind a unexpereinced QB, and you won
by a point. The same would be said if Max Hall goes down you guys would be done.
OU still went 8-4 that year and beat a good Stanford team in the Sun bowl. How
did you guys fair? Recruiting is the difference maker. Sure every now and again
you will hae a team with lesser talent play up and beat a better more athletic
team. Look at the top 10 schools every year they all have top recruiting
classes. How can you disprove that?
KamUte | 10:09 p.m. "This guy wanted BYU. Oh well. We win a s much as
we lose."===Kam, I am finding myself agreeing with you
more often. I do expect both Utah and BYU will get recruits................Ute4everNC and BCS look solid on a resume. I
was excited for both BCS wins as much as the next guy.However, 1984
was exciting to follow, and to finally hang the banner was special. Sort of like
watching Jimmer get the POY award. Utah went to the NCAA basketball
finals with one of the best coaches, and the best collective talent maybe the
state has ever seen. As exciting as it was, and as great as it was, they lost to
Kentucky. But they never won the big one. Yet, it was still fun and exciting.Now, with Utah fans putting an astrisk next to 1984, claimng BYU backed
in, what do you really expect?Are you expecting BYU fans to say
"yep, the NC that crowned BYU as the best team in the country is not as
neat as -not- being the best team in the country?"Really?You need to give props to get props...
Papa smurf uteYour comments are anecdotal at best.Look
at the variables, there are hundreds of them on why they choose one program over
the next, but experience tells us players go where they can play. Conference has little to do with it.Take this little test. When
ESPN little ticker talks about recruits, obviously they are "the great
ones" and who they chose, why, more than half the time, do they go to what
is considered a lesser school in a less conference, even though they had offers
from better schools and better conferences?the utes hold absolutely
no advantage in recruiting. There is no way to quantify it, no way to test it,
and no way to prove it.I agree also that BYU has no edge on
recruiting too. The point is Utah didn't gain a better position in
recruiting just 'cause they joined the PAC.That being said, a parent
who wants to SEE their kid may influence them to go somewhere they will play on
TV. But this still, might not be in the top 5 of why they choose who they
The pads can do the talking on the football field but in the mission field he'll
have to hone the fireside skills. That's nothing to be ashamed of.
Some insight into Dallin Leavitt - he attended Westview HS his freshman and
sophomore years. Central Catholic has an up and coming football program, not to
mention a top-notch private academic atmosphere, and he was recruited to play
there for his Jr and Sr seasons.Dallin was destined to play football
at BYU, just like his father Jared, from the moment his parents named him
Dallin. I'm not sure there was ever a "Plan B." They are an awesome
family, by the way.In response to the snarks with their fireside
speaker jabs, Dallin's not much of a public speaker; he prefers to let his pads
do the talking.
Papa Smurf UTE "once they found out that the UTES were going to
be in the new Pac 12, it made their decision really easy for them."Utah's shiney new PAC 12 membership will only remain so as long as the
Utes are successful in the PAC 12. A series of mediocre seasons could quickly
drop the Utes to also-ran status in the eyes of recruits.Do you
honestly think a recruit would choose Washington State over Boise State simply
because Washington State is in a BCS conference?BYU has to be
successful as an independent in order to continue attracting high calibre
recruits, but so does Utah as a member of a BCS conference.
TJ, you and star fairy must share a brain. The Utes got 3 and 4 star athletes
before we were in the Pac 12, but it will now be a lot more easy to lure them
into the program. As much as Star Fairy doesnt want to admit it, conference does
play a huge role in the choice of where a recruit goes. All 3 of those players
stated that once they found out that the UTES were going to be in the new Pac
12, it made their decision really easy for them. Could they still have chose
USC, AZ, Cal, Oregon, etc. Sure. Could the Utes still have got them in teh MWC,
sure. There are going to be LDS players all over the country that will chose bYu
no matter what. They grew up LDS, cheering for the Y, & wanting to play for
them. That is never going to change. It will be the top LDS players that did not
grow up wanting to play for bYu that may want to have a smaller LDS experience
& choose the U of U, or they could choose Oregon like Hiloti. The Utes are
in a better position now.
@ute4everI honestly give props to Utah going undefeated those to
seasons, that is a tough accomplishment even with a semi weak schedule of the
Mountain West. But, All BCS games are is just a payout, which is fine, but in
04' Pittsburgh was just plain weak, and in 08' Alabama was pretty impressive,
even though Nick Saban's main recuits didn't get significant playing time till
the next year, and we all know what happened in 09'. BCS games are a
bad bad set-up, even though it has mainly put the best 2 teams together to play
for a title, there just needs to be a playoff system!! The end goal
though is a National Championship! And the road just got tougher for Utah in
the PAC12 and BYU Obviously going Independant.
ute4ever. Oh the irony. You are seriously asking why BYU fans down play 2 BCS
wins and then turn around and down play the NC? Well done my friend. I personally think the 2 BCS wins are an awesome accomplishment and I would
love for BYU to have a couple of them under their belt. But ute4ever, U lose all
credibility as a 'rational ute fan' when you call out BYU fans for doing the
same thing you just did. Mr Leavitt looks like an awesome talent.
Thank goodness some kids just grow up wanting to be a Cougar!
ute4everUtah's BCS wins and undefeated seasons are downplayed for
several reasons:1. BSC wins are not even close to the same level of
accomplishment as a National Championship2. Two great seasons do not
a great program build3. Even Utah's two greatest seasons ever failed
to produce one single national individual award winnerWhen Utah fans
start recognizing the significant accomplishments BYU has achieved over the past
35 years, then you'll find BYU fans much more willing to give Utah due credit
for its achievements.
@DCYour exactly right, most of the Utah fanbase over the last 6-7
years (their recent success) have grown with these BYU haters (trolls). They
don't like the the fact that BYU has been successful over 30+ years in football,
they don't like the LDS Church and what it stands for. It is what it is....
@ute4ever"Can some rational BYU fan please tell me why your
fans always downplay the 2 BCS games that Utah has played in (ie. "two
silly contrived games called BCS" in one post above), yet BYU's only
postseason goal going forward is get into a BCS game? I'm trying to be serious
here."Well go back and read your entire post where you downplay
BYU's National Championship. If you are going to claim to be serious then
actually be serious and not take shots.But the fact is a National
Championship is better than being one of 5 teams to win a bcs bowl in any given
year. So long as utah "fans" like yourself are going to denigrate it
then you are going to have BYU fans doing the same for utah's
"accomplishments". See how easy that is?In short you reap
what you sow.
Can some rational BYU fan please tell me why your fans always downplay the 2 BCS
games that Utah has played in (ie. "two silly contrived games called
BCS" in one post above), yet BYU's only postseason goal going forward is
get into a BCS game? I'm trying to be serious here. I don't understand how you
try to make the BCS games so insignificant but then turn around and set the goal
of going to the same place. So either BYU fans are just jealous and trying to
say anything that will make them feel better about what their rival has
accomplished but they have not, or the goals of BYU football are set very, very
low. Which is it?An undefeated season is difficult and an
accomplishment in and of itself. Utah has done it twice in the last decade and
I salute them for it. BYU fans should know that. After all, they did go
undefeated in 1984. Well, I guess I should restate that....BYU fans that are 40
years old and older should remember that, since those younger than that probably
weren't old enough to remember it.
Recruiting does not always translate to what shows up on the scoreboard.When BYU defeated Oklahoma in 2009, Oklahoma had 21 ESPNU 150 players.
Interesting that Sam Bradford was not one of them.BYU had ZERO ESPNU
150 players.Final score: BYU 14, Oklahoma 13.
With all these endorsements flying around, how long until Huntsman (Utes)
endorses Romney (BYU)? The inevitable day will be a sweet day in Cougar history!
Starfarer - that, by far, was the best comment I've seen on these boards to sum
up the haters. I still believe these haters aren't real Utah fans - they're
just BYU haters. Every time a hater posts another comment about BYU football,
I'm going to re-post your comment.
"I absolutely love to hit and to play as physical as I possibly can,"
he said. "I led my team in both tackles and in rushing yards this past
year. I definitely want to play safety at BYU...". I can see
why Bronco likes this kid.
@hedgehogJust for fun, man, even Rivals, the U's "beloved"
recruiting site, has Utah getting four, not five, four star recruits in
2010...the same number that BYU got. So I'm not really seeing your point
here.Though to be honest, I never really do.Go Cougars!
Starfarer. | 4:19Awesome post, I think you covered about every one
of the same old tired rants we get from Utes on every BYU article. Way to head
them off at the pass! Maybe you should post the same thing on every article so
we only have to read it all once instead of over and over and over. Maybe some
of them really will move on and become Ute fans and not just BYU haters.
Nice work. Safety or Running Back? He sounds like a good athlete but I'm glad to
hear that he prefers the defensive side of the football. Play him at safety. Too
much depth in the defensive backfield is never a bad thing. The defensive
backfield at BYU can always benefit from more depth. Go Cougs!
@hedgehog "just like the five "four star" players who chose Utah
in 2010."Not sure where you're getting those numbers, man.
Scout.com has U receiving one 4 star in 2010. Maybe you meant BYU? We had one
5 star and four 4 star recruits that year...not to mention a top 25 recruiting
class.Uh oh, hedgie...you've been commenting on BYU boards for so
long that you're mixing the Blue up with the red! For shame! :)Go
As long as BYU gets the talent it needs at every position who cares what Utah
does or does not do.A speedy defensive back who likes to hit is a
very welcome addition.
Livin' the BYU dream! Way to go kid, congratulations! Much success
to you as you continue to work towards your dreams.
"I absolutely love to hit and to play as physical as I possibly can,"
he said. "I led my team in both tackles and in rushing yards this past
year. I definitely want to play safety at BYU but also play a bit like Eric
Weddle did for Utah, when they were having him play out of the wildcat formation
and all that. I also want to return kicks."This is pretty much
sold me, nice pickup BYU keep them coming!!!
The Class of 2013 is off to a great start. Keep the good times rolling. After we
do well in 2011 the 2013 class will really take off. Great to be a Cougar. Hope
I'm still alive to see this kid perform.
This guy wanted BYU. Oh well. We win a s much as we lose.
Reading the posts on this article is great comic relief. It will only get better
the closer we get to September. Sounds like a great pick up for the
Cougars. But not a senior until 2019? Yikes.....
He had me at led team in takles and yards. I guess some of that depends on the
level of competition but impressive regardless.
To my Ute friends, "Utah was also recruiting me, too, but I wasn't really
interested in them." This kind of says it all for this recruits wanting to
play. When are the the Ute friends on this board going to admit
that BYU is really their favorite team? They comment about every article and
sometimes several times. Wow. Big fans here. Go Cougars. Snag some
more for the years to come.
@Chris B...He must have grown up dreaming of 7-6 seasons, no chance at bcs
games, season realistically over after 3 games...Well, at least his
parents will watch him playing in HD. And they can watch the games over, over
and over again.
@Hank Pym | 8:21 p.m. July 5, 2011 Haha, funny, you should go back
to your Pac 12 dream now.
"The Utes never would have got Langi, Anthony Denham, or Keith Mcgill this
past year had they still been in the MWC "So according to you, the only
thing utaH has going for them to draw more than a 2 star athlete is their
membership in the paC"TJNo, the other 13 3 star players
chose Utah for other reasons...just like the five "four star" players
who chose Utah in 2010.
Jersey says Westview.Story says Central Catholic.Why is
he moving from Westview to Central?As a Soph. this kid is the real
deal. Both sides of the ball. Watched "tape" of "Jesuit"
game.High 4.5?Hand held?Electronic?Any chance on picking-up Aidan Wilder from Central?
@ GoodGuyGary | 5:06 p.m. July 5, 2011 "But who won the
National Championship?"Auburn. @
Cougar_Independence | 5:26 p.m. July 5, 2011 "Clearly this kid
wanted to be on ESPN, so he chose BYU!"That does it; I'm going
to sign a contract with Yankees so I can be on ESPN too.
papsmUrf uTe"The Utes never would have got Langi, Anthony
Denham, or Keith Mcgill this past year had they still been in the MWC". Are you saying that you have actual proof (statement on record) that
none of these young men would have chosen utAh if they had not been invited to
join the pAc? So according to you, the only thing utaH has going for them to
draw more than a 2 star athlete is their membership in the paC. So when an
athlete has a chance to go to either Utah or any other paC team, will they
choose the other team since the other team is in the paC but they aren't uTah?
I've always wondered Y the LDS church doesn't have LDS high schools outside of
Utah? ( Yes, I know they got the public system in Utah at no cost).
@Chr.. B (Better monitor boy?) Utah was also recruiting me, too, but
I wasn't really interested in them. I'm a BYU guy."This speaks for
itself, doesn't it.
Go Cougars!Clearly this kid wanted to be on ESPN, so he chose BYU!
@Chris BJust can't contain yourself, can you?No, he grew
up wanting to play for a Legacy School with a National Brand, one that actually
has a Heisman Trophy and Outlands, O'Brien's, Baugh's, Doak Walker etc. you know
the drill.He also realizes that having every game Nationally
televised is pretty cool too. So why play for wannabee utes who play
on kued and fox regional?He also realizes that a Legacy Program is
not built on 6 good years and two silly contrived games called BCS.Yes indeed, these young bucks are pretty bright.
The kid averaged 7 yards per carry at Central Catholic as a Sophomore. Can't
wait to see what he does as a Junior and Senior. It'll be interesting to see
what side of the ball this kid ends up on.But reality just set in.
He'll be a HS Junior in 2011HS Senior in 2012Redshirt in
2013Mission in 2014 and 2015Freshmen in 2016Sohpomore in
2017Junior in 2018Senior in 2019The future is bright,
but we're going to have to wait awhile to see this one at his peak.
To Starfarer:Yes, Utah got two BcS wins.But who won the
This is super great. We do need more fireside speakers.
Star Fairy,Not all of them can go to the SEC to play for the same
reason as you said that Michigan, USC & Notre Dame would all have 7000
players. If they are good enough & want to go far from home over off the
west coast, they would go play at Florida over some other schools. Position they
get to play, coaches, having family who gets to see games are on top of a
recruits list, but to say that conference affiliation is the 13th or 14th item
on their minds is the fallacy. More doors have been opened for Utah, TCU, and
even bYu since they have changed conferences. It does play a HUGE role in where
a kid goes to play. There are some like this kid that his dad played, & he
grew up a fan of that team. So no matter who recruited him, if his favorite team
came calling, he is going to go. The Utes never would have got Langi, Anthony
Denham, or Keith Mcgill this past year had they still been in the MWC. It might
not be the 1st thing on recruits mind, but it's closer to 5 or 6, not 13.
Chris B's comments sound like a perfect decription of the next 10 years of Ute
football mediocrity. 7-6 at best and no BCS bowl games. They should have
stayed in the Mtn West except for the PAC 12 money. They would probably have a
better chance at a BCS game in the Mtn West rather than with the PAC12. Ooops
forgot about all those PAC12 teams that are on probation or will be soon. Maybe
the Utes will have a chance afterall. Ah, then there is basketball. Lots more
PAC12 TV exposure to that program will not be a good thing. 5-25 every year,
zero recuits, players leaving right and left. Heard the new coach was having
open tryouts and no one showed up.
Do players always go to the team with the most impressive record, traditions, or
history? Nope. If they did, there would be only three teams, USC, Notre Dame,
and Michigan each with 7,000 teammates. But still there is only 60 minutes in a
game where only 11 play on offense and 11 on defense.That is so
great!!!!!!!!! Your posts had me rolling on the floor. I can
imagine steam coming out of Ute fans ears when they read that.... Good job..Plus it really makes you see who has the little brother syndrome. It's
just good that there grandma's let them know the password to the computer.
Otherwise it would be all TV, Ping Pong and beer drinking in there basements.
I'm sure that them surfing the web gives them much needed silence.
Sounds like he will be another good fireside speaker.
Chris B just took the idiot post prize of the day.
Utes have left for the PAC 10.2. Why are they still commenting on BYU
articles?See ya!but we have 2, count them two! BCS
wins!So what, arent you supposed to be leaving?but we
are better then you.Fine, stop commenting on our boards.but youre nothing. You are independent.Great, go away, and go
play with your small share of $30+ million)but your Honor Code is
stupid.And your point is? but recruits will want to
play here because we play in the conference of champions.And hows
that working out for you?No non-LDS kids will ever want to go to
BYU.You understand that youre in another conference now, right?But our two BCS wins are better than your NC.I am not sure
you get this whole separation thing. But we are a research
school.Yeah for you?but we are better than you.Are you sure? Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself?If you were
better, you wouldnt have to tell everyone else, least of all us lowly BYU fans
who are not worth your time."but...But...but..."
Fallacy Argument:That a recruit will pick one school over another
based on conference affiliation.Why? Do they get more playing time?
Are they paid more? Do they get gift bags from one conference and not the
other?No. Game is 60 minutes; same for everyone.Do
players always go to the team with the most impressive record, traditions, or
history? Nope. If they did, there would be only three teams, USC, Notre Dame,
and Michigan each with 7,000 teammates. But still there is only 60 minutes in a
game where only 11 play on offense and 11 on defense.What could it
be?Maybe they choose because they are a good fit, will get to play,
and at the position they want, they like the coach, or other teammates.Interesting that none of those variables are conference based.I
can guarantee conference affiliation is not even in the top ten when kids make
up their minds. Maybe 13 or 14th, but not in the top ten.Don't
believe me? Why would a 4 star recruit ever go anywhere but the SEC then?Variables lots of them. Conferences are in there, but not at the top.
Sounds like another shoe-in for Heisman. You boys must be so excited. He must
have grown up dreaming of 7-6 seasons, no chance at bcs games, season
realistically over after 3 games, all while watching big brother play in BCS
games.To each his own.
Welcome young man. Now eat your Wheaties.