I know there are children who are gifted musically, and parents make financial
sacrifices to develop those talents. Certainly $400.00 for summer camp does not
seem at all out of line. I would want to hear more about the private coaching
that is running into to tens of thousands of dollars though. That is beginning
to sound obsessive not constructive.
One more thing: college coaches do indeed offer scholarships at college
camps.They like to see the kids in action, against the best competition.
So, it is certainly "worth it" to camp at a college camp that is
one of the colleges the kid/parents are considering.
every task is the same in that it takes thousands of hours of practice with the
feedback of a coach to master that task. So... sure it is "worth it"
to camp. Whether it is "worth it" to drive all day to a
particular camp instead of another one near home is a more complex question:
Texas, south Louisiana and Alabama high school football coaches are PROBABLY
going to provide better coaching than your neighbor, but... some neighbors know
I think the only reason to go to camp is because your kid wants to. Because
it's fun for them to work and practice and excel at something they like. And
because you can afford it. When I was at BYU, I worked for continuing
education. I could not believe how expensive these camps are! Especially the
drama and musical dance theater camps. If you are dipping into
retirement for your kid to go to camp, then it's no wonder our government dips
into social security to pay for wars abraod. It's a bad policy at any level.
If a kid wants to attend camp and you can't afford it, they can mow lawns all
summer. Even though I actually enjoy mowing the lawn, I let our neighbor boy do
it because each summer I know he's saving up for something or other and I'm glad
to see him work for it. Kids can make their own money to pay for their own
Uh eagle, I already said only the elite athletes can do it these days. You just
listed a bunch of elite athletes. Pay a little more attention to what you are
reading and we won't have to re-hash again. The fact is that by the time kids
reach high school the vast majority of them specialize. If they want to play a
minor sport on top of a major sport it becomes easier to play multiple sports
but very few kids can play two, and especially not all three, of the major
sports. It is a small minority.
The answer is easy. NO!
It is my experience that the majority of kids go to these camps because its fun,
they love to play the sport, and their friends go with them. The Hatch guy in
the article is the exception, not the rule. I hope the kid has talent for his
sake. That would be a waste if he traveled the world and spent thousands of
dollars and his kid wasn't good enough to play. Could be devastating to the
If I had to say who were the two best football players I saw this past year, I
would vote Kesni Tausinga (Bingham) and Nare Fakahafua (Highland). I'm not sure
if either did track but Tausinga was a two-time state champion wrestler and
All-American placing fourth in the Senior Nationals. Fakahafua was first team
All-State in basketball. Both led their teams to state titles in football and
Fakahufua helped his team take state in basketball. Tausinga is considered one
of the most dominant lineman ever to play football in Utah and Fakahafua
basically took over games on offense and defense. Tausinga's teammate Stefan
Cantwell was both the 5-A football and baseball MVP.Lexi Eaton was
an incredible soccer and basketball athlete on the female side. Playing some
soccer didn't hurt her basketball prowess at all. I already brought up the
two-sport stars Whitney Johnson and Marquelle Funk who were all-state athletes
in two sports and won rings in volleyball.On the sports
specialization argument, sorry case closed!
Come on! Spending your retirement on private coaches and elite sports camps is
just nuts! Please people, let your kids have some unstructured time to just run
around and play w/o the pressure of prying adults. They are not commodities
created to generate quarterly dividends. What happens if the kid fails to meet
your R.O.I.C. objectives? Are you going to short sell them him or her for a
newer model with an increased upside potential? Why in the H.E. double C.K.
should kids be pushed skip the most important phase of their life for a one in
one million shot at a 3 1/2 year pro career or, any other adult pursuit! Let
kids be kids.
Duckhunter: You are from Highland and probably follow Lone Peak athletics.
Let's take two girls that recently signed basketball scholarships at Division I
institutions: Whitney Johnson and Marquelle Funk. Both also played volleyball
and were on a state championship volleyball team. I bet if you asked them, they
were glad they played volleyball and not just basketball.Now let's
take one of the most recent and arguably greatest athlete in Utah history, Cael
Sanderson who went undefeated in college wrestling, won an Olympic gold medal
and now after coaching Penn State to a national title is making a comeback to
the sport. He actually played football in high school. Let's look at all of
the pro football players Utah has produced. Stewart Bradley, Kevin Dyson, Chris
Cooley, Haloti Ngata, Kevin Curtis as examples (of home grown players in the
NFL)--all were multiple sport athletes. Basketball seems to be the sport where
coaches require the most specialization and how many homegrown Utah players are
there in the NBA? Absolutely none.Don't drink the kool-aid of
specialization. Go (do complete) research all the athletes on the list that won
scholarships this year--MOST were multiple-sport athletes.
@eagle"The myth of specialization. Most of the players in the
NFL, major league baseball and the NBA played multiple sports in high
school."Actually it is not a myth, for the vast majority of
high school athletes it is reality. We are not discussing the truly elite. For
instance there was an athlete at Lone Peak several years ago by the name of Sam
Burgess. He was an outstanding athlete who later was a started on the BYU
basketball team. He played Football, Basketball and Baseball at Lone Peak. He
was an elite athlete and he is the exception. A kid like that no coach can say
"no you can't play other sports" because he was simply so good that
none of the coaches dared to be the one to tell him that and risk him telling
them "Fine, I'll drop your sport."The guys that become
proffesional athletes are obviously that elite. It is all the other kids, the
ones that are good athletes but not great. There are still some that play
multiple sports but it is much fewer than it was 20 years ago and it is limited
to the very elite.
This article seems to focus a lot on the exposure aspect of camps. It does
mention a bit about the skills acquired. But there is more than one way to play
D-1 sports (if that is your goal). Just ask Chad Lewis.
My experience as a dad of a HS athlete is probably very similar to others in
that I helped my son have good experiences to the degree he wanted them. He
played BB from the time he was 8 and I coached him along with another father
through super league. We encouraged all our kids to attend camps and many of his
teammates did attended several camps and improved his/their games as a result.
One teammate played AAU because of the camps. His class made it to the HS 4A
semi finals. The first year in twenty years his HS even made the playoffs.His junior year in HS he only wanted to play church ball because he was
weary of the time and energy spent all those years. He just wanted to have fun.
His mother and I were disappointed because we knew if he returned his senior
year he would loose his starting role which happened but he was a very good
sixth man and was named 2nd team all region. We supported him in his
decision.No post HS play, no scholarship but a great kid. He knew
more than I did.
The bottom line: A majority of college athletic scholarships go to those who put
in extra time (and money) at camps. Call it sad or unfair - "it is what it
is". So if this is your goal, then you probably need to go camping to
increase your chances. (with the understanding that there are no absolutes) Oh
yea, you need to be good.There is something wrong with people who
are obsessed with ONE thing. That's not what this article is saying.
The myth of specialization. Most of the players in the NFL, major league
baseball and the NBA played multiple sports in high school. Lebron was a stud
football player as an example. Tony Romo is a good golfer (nearly qualified for
the US Open) and plays QB for the Cowboys. Local talent Chris Cooley wrestled
and played football in high school and was actually an All-American wrestler.
Just about every NFL, NBA and major league baseball player did at least two
sports in high school, some three. Some like John Elway entertained
professional careers in multiple sports. Bottom line, you either have the
physical gifts to play at the college/pro level or you don't. Those who
"have" to specialize probably don't have the physical gifts to make it
to the next level.And if you don't believe me, look at the
scholarship athletes we produced this year. The vast, vast majority were
multiple sport athletes whether they were Lexi Eaton or Kesni Tausinga (AA
wrestler and AA football player--loved wrestling because it made him better at
When your chances of becoming a neurosurgeon are better than becoming a
professional athlete, it should give wise parents a pause! That doesn't mention
the facts that keep piling up about the failure that pro athletes experience in
their personal lives. This may be cynical to some, but it is the truth!
Excellence in any field is a gift from God, something that is missing from most
athletes perspectives. Is it still possible? Yup! As for me, I had four
priorities for my oldest boy before sports: God (Church duties AND activities),
Family (FHE, time with siblings, etc.), School (Nothing less than his best was
accepted), and Scouting (Whether you are a scouter or not, there is not a better
program in the world for developing character and appreciation for others). All
of these came before time could be allotted to sports. My son became an Eagle
scout, loves his brothers and sister, only had one 'B' in highschool, and
completed his church responsibilities dutifully. He worked to pay for the camps
he went to, bought his own car, paid his own insurance, cel phone, and saved for
most of his mission. His future looks bright. Maybe even the NBA!
At the school I work with each year we have kids that have come through the camp
system and end up playing ball for the school. Is the number high - nope. My son goes to football camp locally. He is a competitive kid, and loves
to play. What he lacks in skill he makes up for his love of playing the game.
Each year at camp, he has earned the MVP for his age group. I seriously doubt he
will play beyond high school though, he just isn't that good.But the
main reason I send him to camp is because he loves it. He loves hanging out
with other kids that love the sport he loves as much as he does. Some of those
kids are very good, and will go far. Others, most likely not. But my son has
made friends he has stayed in touch with for years.My son is a three
sport kid. I don't like the specializing in one sport year round at a young
age. Because of those demands he gave up soccer even though he was invited to
play on the "elite" traveling team.Kids need to be let be
@Orem ParentI actually wish things hadn't gotten to the point they
are at where kids specialize in one sport and spend so much time, and their
parents spend so much money, doing it. But times have changed. When i was young
we just played whatever sport was in season and didn't even worry about that
sport the remainder of the year. There have always been some kids that
specialized and spent more time than everyone else but they were an
exception.Now days it is different, it simply is. The thing is each
parents needs to be realistic as to the quality of athlete their kid really is.
I know this is hard. Every parent thinks their kid is better than he/she really
is. It is especially tough if the parent is the coach because that parent will
almost always play their kid in the position they want them to play even if they
aren't the best player.I think it is fine to coach your own kid, I
do it, but it is also important to let them play on teams you don't coach and
see how other coaches evaluate them, I do that as well.
The amount of money spent vs. the amount of scholarship awarded? I doubt that in
most instances they match. Camps are creating false illusions of potential
greatness.I taught college freshmen for many years, and so many
athletes confided they were completely burned out by the years of camps,
competition, and pressure their parents put on them, vicariously hoping for
success. A few confessed they were thrilled when debilitating injuries forced
them from the sport permanently, so they could focus on something else.Sports isn't everything. But it seems a lot of parents still don't understand
Dick,I suggest a follow up to your article. Talk to Craig and Sheri
Denney. Few families have been as successful at producing good athletes,
students, and children. Their approach is one to learn from.Craig
and his sons Ryan, John and Brett played at BYU. Ryan and John have NFL
careers, playing almost 400 games between them so far. More importantly, they
have their priorities right. In response to the question, "It must be
exciting to have two boys in the NFL," I heard Craig emphasize his family's
priorities, "It is more important to me that they are good husbands and
fathers."The Denneys boys didn't play football until Junior
High (to avoid injury and burnout), nor lift weights until they were 16 (until
their bodies matured). They also required each boy to play a musical instrument
-- the violin. All three were Academic All-MWC, Ryan academic All-American. I
have no doubt they will all have successful post-sports careers. Having one successful student-athlete in a family may be the result of that
individual's personality and determination. Having three is most likely the
result of the family's approach.Interview the Denneys.
Your article was spot on. I scout and recruit college baseball. When I look at
high school athletes I can tell immediately who has and who hasn't had training.
The differences are particularly glaring when I look at high school pitchers.
If your young men can pitch get them some help early to develop and strengthen
their arms, and if you can afford it send them to some camps. I know for a fact
that there is an insatiable demand for pitchers who can throw 80mph+ and that
college coaches from as far away as Iowa are asking me for these players.
Several college coaches have a great idea who they want on their teams by the
time the young man is a sophomore in high school. If its about education, then
let your son have some fun playing ball while earning his degree.
I have nothing against sports. I played on my high school basketball team. One
of my brothers played in college on scholarship. But when junior high/high
school sports becomes a business and our kids are the pawns, it has gotten way
out of hand.Just read the article again and see what the parents are
doing. I'm a huge BYU fan. I have season football tickets. I
understand where it is all coming from. I love to see a good team on the field
and I understand what it takes to get there. It just made me sad to
think of what these kids are going through vs. what I went through.However, you are right. Each person/family has to decide what they like and
want to do. It isn't for me but that doesn't mean it isn't right for someone
Camps and showcases can be a help but bottom line, if it is obtain a
scholarship, the odd's are not in your favor. On the other hand, there are many
bad influences in life so keeping your kids active and around other solid
children is a good thing. I also think adding to the trips, like mentioned
above, is a great thing to do. There are academy's around here that are in it
for the money but the showcases they provide, does help. Being honest, whenever
your child has a chance to play in front of many colleges at the same time,
hopefully one will like them. But it is expensive and ends up being for the rich
most of the time. If your kid enjoys them, has some talent, and hasn't been
pushed into going, then it is a good thing. If you are signing them up when they
really don't want to go, then you are trying to re-live through your child and
that isn't good.
UtahUte16, "You're a grown man that has children? I was under
the impression that you were an avid teenage troller."--------"We see the world not as it is, but as we are."
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People
Duckhunter"That said I have mixed feelings on these camps and
also private instruction even though my sons do both."You're a
grown man that has children? I was under the impression that you were an avid
If your not forcing your child to do these things and your not jeopardizing your
financial well being, then camps can be a great benefit for helping build your
childs charactar and skill level. I let my kids determine if and where they want
to go and I have them participate in the costs at a reasonable level. If they
want to go to more than one camp per summer, they have to raise money and
participate in the team fund raisers. I also require them to fulfill all of
their academic and religious responsibilities before they are allowed to
participate in sports, band or any team or club. Moderation in all things
but allow your child to be what they are or want to be.
Why didn't the article talk aboout some average kids who attends camp after
camp, but still not given any college scholarship offer?
If the cost of doing these camps includes your retirement and savings, you are
not making a wise investment. If you are relying on your kid making the NFL as
your retirement plan, you'd probably have better luck throwing your money away
in Vegas.Sports camps can be a fun experience for kids, help them
improve their game, make new friendships, and be seen by coaches, which is very
important if you are interested in playing at the college level. But as the
article mentions, keep some perspective. If you are overly obsessed with your
kid playing professional sports, you are likely doing much more harm than good
to the child's overall well-being. Let them go to a couple or three camps a
summer. Encourage them to work hard in the off-season. If they are good enough,
the college coaches will find them. If not, they will have had some fun
experiences and memories and they can play intermurals. Try to force it, and you
are asking for trouble.
Not forcing the child goes without saying. I applaud any parent taking an
active interest in the development of their child's talent and future (not to
mention doing everything possible to get a scholarship for them). There are
thousands of non-productive, mindless activities kids are doing during this
summer - that's what sad.
@Orem ParentWhy? Do you feel that same way for the kids that go to
Band camp, spend hours and hours practicing the piano/violin, etc. go to drama
camps and spend all summer performing in plays? It seems it is popular among
some to pretend that kids spending large amounts of time, and their families
spending money, on sports is somehow "sad" or detrimental to the kids
but all of the other things kids do are not given the same level of
criticism.That said I have mixed feelings on these camps and also
private instruction even though my sons do both. For one I made a decision not
to send my sons to any camps other than our local high school camps until they
were in Jr. High and the high school camps are really only good for getting the
kids pumped up and excited for the season to start in my opinion. They learn a
little bit but not alot.The college camps are a little better but it
is the private coaching with constant repetition where they really improve. But
they have to enjoy it, they have to want to do it. Don't force it.
Worth it? Who knows? If the camps do what they are supposed to do,
i.e. take the athlete to a higher level, then they probably are worth it. If the
child wants to go and is excited about going, then he (or she) will undoubtedly
benefit because motivation is the path to learning. However, if it's
the parent that pushes/forces the player to go, then that student probably won't
have the motivation to go further and the camp's benefits may be wasted.
As an investment, roulette may be a better deal. More concerning, however, is
the toll on the family and the child's social and spiritual development. A
reminder of two admonitions may be helpful. 1) "Thou shalt have no other
gods before me." 2) "For where your treasure is, there will your heart
This whole article just made me sad.
Ive always questioned the cost of sport camps, tutors etc. vs investing that
same money in a college savings fund. I think the latter prevails. If your son
or daughter is self motivated and does nothing else but eat, drink and sleep a
certain sport, then yeah go all out, spend the dough, deplete the savings and
retirement accounts and maybe, just maybe it pays off; but always remember its
your kids life not yours. I see too many parents trying to live their sports
fantasy life through the lives of their children. Use common sense and dont push
your children into doing something they have no interest or talent in.
The problem with this article is is does not answer the question it proposes.
Are camps worth it for the elite? Definitely. Are the camps worth it for those
athletes who are only average? I can't tell from this article.
Some of my best memories were at sports camps. That being said, if a teenagers
dedication to the sport has become more like a job, then I think it is
unhealthy. It can be a great experience and investment. Getting your schooling
paid for is a very admirable and advantageous accomplishment. Sports taught me
one thing in life, how to lose graciously. What a valuable lesson it has turned
out to be.
I think it's fine to have kids attending these camps so long as it isn't an
obsession. If a Dad or Mom can spend time traveling together to these camps and
turn it into a trip doing other things along, go for it. My concern comes when
it stops being fun as a trip. I've taken my kids to sports camps but we've
always hit water parks, amusement parts, or soemthing like that along the way
and sports was not the only thing we talked about. I also always talk to my kids
about enjoying the journey and not being obsessed with the destination or the
end of the line. Now my eldest son is done with sports and onto other aspects of
his life but we have great memories. My younger one chose three camps and we're
having a blast this summer.