Re: Where's Stockton And they are the Ruins! UCLA has had no good QB
play since Cade Mcnown.
@Hegdhog It took me a few minutes after I wrote my last post to realize
that you're not the Hedgie critter from the shores of the Great Black swamp in
Ann Arbor. But don't sell Chow down the river ...Remember he guided Carson
Palmer and Lienart to Heismans at USC and a couple of National Championships as
well under Pete Carrol. If Pete had had more brains than he did ego he would
have kept Chow there. Pete let him go because everyone was referring to Chow as
the Master and Pete as the Apprentice and that drove him crazy. Pete figured
that since Steve Sarkesian had worked so much with Chow over the years since
being a Quarterback at BYU under him that Steve was about as close as having
Chow anyways so he let Chow go and moved Steve up to the OC position. I only need to say two words about why Chow didn't do much at UCLA...Rick
Knuheisel...the name is synonmous with destroying major college Football
Programs...and never turning the reins over to Chow to run the offense was a
great mistake. Chow will turn the program around if youlet him...cont.
Sorry Hedgie I think you have me confused with Duck Hunter. I never wrote any
of that... Your memory cycle seems to be fading on you. I'll claim anything
that is my own... even the rediculous stuff I do write from time to time but
let's not be putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. I certainly wouldn't
do that to you.Scoobie
This kid is an all American at his position, so it's a good pickup. Now, he is no Jake Heaps, but Utah couldn't get a 5 star QB to come to their
school even if they paid him as much as Ohio State pays their QB's!Go Cougars!
@BlackshirtsIt's worse than you can know. Wynn is struggling to
regain anything close to his prior form and ability (which wasn't great). He
can't even throw further than 40 yds (my 10 yr can do that). A
football field is 50 yds wide and as it stands now he'll be hardpressed to make
any out throws and unable to make any deep throws. He'll make Brian Johnson's
wobbly arm seem like Jamarcus Russell. Compounding this problem is they have a
bunch of mediocre high school QB's on the roster backing him up. Since they no longer have any NFL worthy talent on defense their first season
in the Pac10.2 is starting to look like Custer's Last Stand.
@Where's Stockton???Kyle is a great DC and a good MWC HC, but now that he
no longer has any of Urban Meyer's recruits left on the team we're starting to
see that he can't get the elite athletes necessary to be even remotely
competitive.We got through the Cupcake portion of the schedule well
enough but when we were matched up against ranked teams we were embarrassing.
The combined score in losses to TCU, ND & BSU was 13-101. We should've lost
even to BYU at home if it weren't for some bad play calling by their coaches and
major blown call by the refs. We struggled against a Cougar team that was
starting practically all freshman. The program peaked in '08 and
since all of Urban's guys left for the NFL we've been in slow decline. I'm not
sure KW could even stay competitive in the MWC anymore (1 title in 6 yrs?!).Chow's not any better. When was the last time he was any good? Its been
years. We're in major league trouble and I am already regretting our
short-sighted move to Slaughterville.
BYU's chance of getting a BCS bid has increased with their move to independence.
In the MWC, a perfect record was required to get a BCS bid.I'm
betting that BYU would now get an at-large bid if they had one loss, to a Top 10
team, especially if that loss were on the road. If BYU finishes in the Top 8,
they will get an at-large bid. Heaps will lead BYU to a BCS bowl before he goes
onto the NFL.If the BCS remains in tact, some provision needs to be
made for AQ Conferences. If the AQ Conference champion is not ranked in the Top
20, they should not get an invite. There is no way UConn deserved a bid last
year. What an embarassment for the BCS.
Re: Execut No you wouldn't!
@Chrissy B"Not going to happen. Ever."Quite a
prediction. Now that you're in over your heads in the Pac10+2 you can get a lot
of mileage out of that prediction. It's better than your Magic 8 ball.Q.
Playing in the Pac 12 will Utah ever play in another BCS bowl game?A.
"Not going to happen. Ever."Q. Playing in the Pac12 will
Utah ever finish higher than 6th place?A. "Not going to happen.
Ever."Q. Playing in the Pac 12 will Utah ever finish a season
ranked in the top 25?A. "Not going to happen. Ever."Q. Playing in the Pac 12 will Utah ever play for a National Championship?A. "Not going to happen. Ever."Q. Playing in the Pac 12
will Utah ever win 10+ games again?A. "Not going to happen.
Ever."Q. Playing in the Pac 12 will Utah ever have a Heisman
Trophy winner?A. "Not going to happen. Ever."Q. Will
dumb Ute fans like Chris B ever regret Utah's joining the Pac 12?A.
"Absolutely will happen. Sooner than later. Mark it down."
@Black ShirtsDude I'm as pro BYU as you'll find but I'm also as pro Kyle
Whittingham and Pro Norm Chow as you will find also. Both top notch
Coaches...One young and one a little older but both at a program that right now
has more questions than it has answers. Don't make the mistake of foolishly
underestimating either one... especially Norm Chow. His problem is his
complexity level of seeing the field from every offensive angle...something he's
exceptionally good at... and then the imposing amount of time it takes to teach
it. Wynn and company are definitely not going to learn it overnight...I
seriously doubt if they will have it rock solid by the end of the season. A Jim
McMahon type or a Mark Wilson would definately help the Utes maybe... but Wynn's
not of thier caliber so it's going to be iffy despite being in the weaker
division and having USC out of the post season picture. Having two new running
backs isn't necessarily an answer for the Utes either other than it gives Chow
more to work with for encorporating the run to set up the pass. Wynn's sort of
a question mark.
Im hearing a lot of chatter about how bad the Ute's really looked in fall ball.
Chow communicates like a first grader and Wynn is basically terrible. When the
Ute's get beat by 20, by the Coug's, it going to be a week of celebration
watching the Ute nation panic as they realize their beloved football team has
become the BASKETBALL team. Whit is overrated and Chow is even more overrated.
Its going to blow-up and its going to be fun watching. As for the Cougs
theyll have a great season with only a couple of senior starters. This team has
three years together.
Need to correct an earlier mistake...It's the Fiesta Bowl that was laughingly so
called Busted... as everyone already knows. But the Sugar bowl isn't far
behind with the Terrele Pryor / Ohio State fiasco that is still uncoverning
@UgottaloveMaxieUteymaxine,You must love being somewhere else rather
than living here in the present. In case you're wondering or that you were out
and about in one of your mind excursions... USC got 25 top 100's committed last
go around...that is if you are into counting stars which by your hilareous
comment you must be.... anyways...USC's recruiting will always... even under
sanctions... put Utah's to shame which right now puts last years 2 H.S. and 2
JUCO 4's to shame. All but 2 were 4 stars...the two others were just measly 5
stars. They actually have 26 4's if you count the additional 4 grayshirts they
got the last go around. I think your worries should be directed towards the
western coastline rather than worry about how well BYU actually does with some
great talent locally. No matter how you count it or when you count it... it
still comes out BYU 1 National Championship and Utah 2 rollover tricks and 2
bones to chew on in the corner.
@worfConsidering Utah beat BYU last year, only lost to TCU, @ND, and
Boise St., and return a decent 12 starters, and had a good recruiting class, I
don't know why you are so quick to disrespect them.And considering
that USU beat BYU last year, returns 17 starters including by FAR their best
player who didn't see a down against the Cougs last year, a team who only lost a
QB who can't throw, and a few DB's (the position that is always their
strongest), I wouldn't count out USU either.I root for USU, BYU, and
Utah probably in that order so I hope the Cougs do well, but don't get too far
ahead of yourself, I mean, "what have you done for me lately?"
@claWell there are about 4,000,000 BYU fans in this country and
about 50,000 utah "fans". That right there will tell you why one gets
more coverage than the other. Frankly I think the DNews is very charitable with
the amount of coverage they give utah considering its puny and tenouous fanbase.
Newspapers are in the business of selling, get this, newspapers, so they need to
print news that the majority of the potential readership actually wants to read.
Its just smart business not an ncaa violation. LOL!
One of the Denny brothers play deep snapper for the Dolphins. They must consider
it an important position or why not train one of the bench sitters. NFL teams
aren't allowed as many players on their roster as college, so why waste one on a
deep snapper? Can't beleive some are snapping at this topic.
Woah, BYU is TOTALLY winning the recruiting battle. this is unbelievable I am SO
EXCITED for the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP which is just a few months away. Watch out
world, it's going to be pandamonium in provo after our first game!! Woot woot!!
JUTE 19Who says you can't have 3 potential Kentucky Derby winners in your
stalls and still be looking for a 4th...in Chases case he's two sided so more
options...it's not rocket science. Better hope that you hang onto him...I'll
bet his parents and uncles will probably still work on him while he's on his
mission. It wouldn't be the first time that a Ute recruit had a change of mind.
@Chris BHonor code means no BCS games...Sorry but that definitely isn' the
end of the story. The BCS is internally imploding well on it's own. Let's
begin with Ohio State's gangster story in Maurice Clarret...Busted!!! USC and
Reggie Bush... Busted!!! And Ohio State again with Terrele Pryor and four of
his teammates...Busted!!! Then we have the Sugar Bowl Bust...what a joke that
was... a lousey million dollar penalty and slap on the hand instead of a kick in
the pants to the ousted CEO. We'll see what happens next when this whole issue
with Pryor and company really gets the hot coals treatment over the personal
request of Sugar Bowl CEO Hoolihan to both OSU's President Gee (a Ute Alunus
btw ) and to the NCAA... not to jeopardize their 2011 game with Arkansas by not
allowing Pryor and his four accomplices to play. That's going to be a very
relevent issue on the horizon. Then we've got the most recent incident with an
Oregon corner back racing about the Oregon countryside on a suspended license in
a rental car signed for by a University employee...and... dont't even turn the
Cam Newton page yet either.
cla"You must be joking. THIS is news?"You must
be joking; if it's not news, then why are you reading and commenting on the
article?The DNews, owned by the LDS church, like BYU, has always
been the Cougars' defacto statewide "local" newspaper. Of course the
coverage for the Cougs is "blatantly disproportionate"; BYU is the
most newsworthy team and has significantly more fans than any other team in the
state.If you want "local" coverage of the Utes, see the
SLTrib.If you want "local" coverage of the Wildcats, see
the OgdenStandard.And if you want "local" coverage of the
Aggies, see the LoganHerald.
HedgehogYour logic is not sound. It cracks me up that you think
that your armchair quarterbacking substitutes for actual experience. It's easy
to sit back and critique with nothing on the line. Domain has both played and
coached now for several years. You my friend have not.Chris B,So what you are saying is the BYU with an Honor Code can't win enough
games to ever be considered for a BCS game? So what you are saying is that if
BYU goes undefeated anytime in the next, oh say, two to three years, the BCS
will all get together and deny BYU the chance because they have high
standards?This may be true, but it just goes to show you that the
BCS is the dumbest program on record and should be broken up.It also
shows us how pathetic people are who like the BCS.On another note,
why do people with no standards always find fault with people who do?
Soccer Kid. Your theories are flawed. You say that Doman is the OC and therefore
only recruits offensive players... Well then why would he have been recruiting
Chase Hansen? I thought BYU was stacked at QB and doesn't need him. Can't have
your cake and eat it too kid.
All the comments on how irrelevent long snappers are and that BYU should not
have wasted a scholarship on this athlete. I find it hilarious that all the
Yners are obsessively commenting on this article. Their jealousy and insecurity
are completely exposed with every comment on every BYU article.Donovan is a good sized lineman / center. At 6'3" and over 250 going into
his senior year, he will be a candidate to play center at BYU full time. Last I
checked, good offensive linemen are highly valued and are offered scholarships
at all universities.
You must be joking. THIS is news? A long snapper. Sad to see the Deseret News
is no longer a media outlet and has become the marketing department for the BYU
athletic program ... just another recruiting tool for the Cougars. The NCAA
really ought to look into this...seems to be an unfair advantage for a college
athletic program to have an daily newspaper promoting that program. The amount
of coverage for the Cougs is blatantly disproportionate and grossly unfair to
the other universities in this state. A long snapper...you've gotta be kidding
When the long snapper doesn't hike the ball the way he should then it hurts the
No honor code = no BCS games for Ohio State and USC.Most schools
have some sort of honor code, though not to the extent of BYU's. You'll find
that having an honor code typically means less discipline problems, harder
workers, and less distractions off the field. I would take a team that lives by
an honor code and plays in the Las Vegas bowl, than the Ohio State train wreck
@brave little robinNo bursted bubbles here... having watched Utah roll
over twice then sent off to the corner with thier table scraps without even a
whimper...shows me how little self respect uteys have. And you're the one not
knowing anything about what the BCS is all about. Busting the BCS even twice is
nothing in comparison to actually being the impetus for the creation of the BCS
in the first place. The 1984 Holiday Bowl and the National Championship that
went with it will always be a bigger busting of the big boys club than any also
ran games where they knowingly cheated Utah of a rightful title shot. The Irony
is in the fact that you people even know that you got cheated but aren't willing
to admit that you were...and are so capitulatory that you're willing to rollover
and accept anything offered...even to the point of licking thier hand. Now
that's downright undignified as well as demeaning.Mendenhall and
Doman's efforts to improve this young team will pay off in the long run.
Specifically going after this special team player shows me that attention to
detail is being applied and implemented. Rise and Shout!!!
@IDCDude the game decider last year against Uah was not the blocked punt
at the end of the game it was the early 3rd qtr Coaching error on an unnecessary
gamble to go for the first down on a 4th and inches and not take the easy chip
shot FG that would have put BYU up by 9 points and forced Utah to have to score
on two possessions to take the lead... The coaching staff lost the game not the
G-Swenz,Do you honestly think USU will beat the cougs two years in a
row? Maybe in twelve years, they may win another. Maybe! They would struggle
just to beat the Utes if they played this year. For now, the Aggies rank second
to the cougs for state honeors.
USU has no chance of knocking off BYU. If you're looking for history to support
your claim, it will be 17 more years before the Aggies beat BYU again.
Good get by the Cougs. Special teams can win or lose games.I just
can't believe I saw the phrase "national championship" mentioned on an
article about a long snapper. Not even saying they can't can't get there but
really Alpine Coug? Let's see them at least win 8-9 games before we come out
with the "potential run at a NC and BCS" card.At least
when I say USU has a good chance to knock off BYU this year there is recent
history to back it up.
Certainly not the most exciting position in football but still an important
position. One bad snap on a punt or fg can quickly change the momentium or
outcome of a game. A good and smart decision by BYU to secure a very good long
snapper for the future.
If a deep snapper gives value to the team, than the honest thing to do is give
him a scholly. This is why some people struggle with the honor code. What's more
important?---National Championships or honesty? Unlike Chris B, I feel honorable
teams can win.
Why am I not reading about any Ute commits? Cougs are up to 12 or 13. Does
Utah have any? Welcome to Cougar County Donovan. As I'm sure you
know, the future is very bright and keeps getting brighter by the day with
outstanding commits like yourself.I'm surprised that more people
aren't talking about the arrival of Adam Hine this year. We've waited along
time for this kid. It will be interesting to see if he redshirts with three
solid starters already projected for RB in 2011.Hine will be one of
the top five RB's the Cougars have had. I can't wait to see Hine and Quezada in
the back field coached by DuPaix.Not taking anything away from
Langi, but if I had the choice between Hine and Langi - Hine would be my guy.
He's one more piece of the puzzle as we continue to build an outstanding team
for the foreseeable future.
Starfarer,My logic is sound. The kid had no real offers and most
likely nothing was coming from any BCS program. If Doman had a better handle on
the recruiting thing he would have held off and offerd him a walk on. He blew a
scholly on a kid he could have had for free.He's new at the coaching
thing...hopefully he learns from his mistakes.
What's the value of a long snapper? I played as a long snapper and had a chance
to play for the Y, except for too many broken nose and ankles. Back in the 60's
you couldn't play if you had broken any part of your body more than twice, my
nose 6 times. But the year I would have played we lost 3 games because of bad
snaps--Wyo & Colo State--can't remember the 3rd.Also Jerry Jones
of the Dallas Cowboys thinks it's important enough that the years he won the
Super Bowls he was paying a long snapper over $250,000 just to snap. The Y did
good to recurit a young man with that skill. If you think not, try putting your
head between your legs, throwing a ball 15 to 17 yards with accurace-- knowing
when you come up some 300 lb is going to knock your head off!!! You may think
alittle different about this scholarship.
Honor code equals no BCS games.End of story.
hedgehog | 3:59 p.m. June 16, 2011Aren't you the same guy who talked
up a whole storm about four and five star recruits? Didn't you poke a whole lot
of fun at BYU for not getting any?What is 3rd in the country? How
many stars does he get? 5 stars for being in the top three?So which
is it? Stars mean something, or do they mean nothing, but 3rd in the country
doesn't, or does it? Or now is it that he didn't receive offers from USC? Why
would he go to USC? They can't play in a bowl game for a while and maybe didn't
need him. (Like USC is relevant right now)See when you just hate
something, and your only goal is to tear it down, you start slipping on logic,
and don't realize that your previous comments condemn your current ones.It's better if you just stay quiet, the adults are having a
hedgehog | 1:07 p.m. June 16, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI Why would
Doman go after CB's, he is the offensive coordinator not the defensive.
KH Exactly. So what does that say about the U of U?
long snapper for a "long shot" team
Obviously I was joking.A good long snapper can make a difference in
any game just like any position. It may not be an exciting position to talk
about, but they are like kickers and punters in that they are the type of
players that can change a game in 1 play.
Hopefully the offense runs so well that we don't need a deep snap to a punter.
Still need to snap it good to the kick holder, Nothing worse than seeing a hike
sail over the head of the punter (my son was a punter) or so short he has to
bend over to field it thus disrupting the timing of the punt. Glad to see
another quality recruit to play these specialty positions.
"He is ranked 3rd in the country and if you saw his PAT/Field goal snaps
you would know why...NFL fast!"Wow! ranked 3rd in the country?
Surely he must have some big time offers from some big time programs like USC
or Alabama ect.... no? no one? hmmmm.
I hate to burst your bubble Y fans, but when you're losing to teams like Utah
State, it's not your long-snapper that's keeping you from going to a BCS
game.On that subject, you guys sure talk a lot about what it takes
to get to a BCS game considering none of you know anything about it.
This kid is the real deal. Not your typical DS, 6'3, 255 lbs. He is ranked 3rd
in the country and if you saw his PAT/Field goal snaps you would know why...NFL
Chris B | 11:08 a.m. June 16, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "Huge pickup cougars!No doubt you're inching closer and
closer to a BCS game"Chris your'e finally correct on something.
BYU will play a BCS bowl game before the Utes will. I'll mark your words.
Utah is set to break the world record in 3 and outs this year. Utah's deep
snapper will be paying more football than Jordan Wynn. I just hope Wynn makes it
to the BYU game, so Jordan Pendelton can have some Dead Duck hunting Practice.
To inform the uninformed, there are players on NFL rosters whose sole duty is
long snapping, and I'm pretty sure they get paid more than trolls.
Typically a walk on? Shows how much you know about football.I am not sure where you getting your info, but your ignorance is
showing.Special teams win games. If he's good, he gets a
Good for this kid. He gets to play football and get a free education.
"This lack of attention to detail, relying on chance to have a quality long
snapper, is why Kyle loses to teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico and
UNLV, and Bronco is undefeated against all of them."What about
teams like Utah State?
"Of course a Team with fans that know nothing about football would make fun
of this signing"A byu fan claiming that a Utah fan doesn't know
football. That's ironic. Wasn't it Bronco that called byu fans uneducated when
he said, "the level of criticism is equal to the level of education"?
byu's own football coach called byu's fans uneducated about
I LOVE Chrissy's predictions ... they are ALWAYS wrong. She just guaranteed us
some great success. Thanks Little Sis.
hedgehog"a long snapper is typically a walk on..."This lack of attention to detail, relying on chance to have a quality
long snapper, is why Kyle loses to teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New
Mexico and UNLV, and Bronco is undefeated against all of them.
Striker"when one person has IE and Firefox open, logged under
two different accounts, and posts twice on one article on a team he doesn't like
one after another..."You wouldn' be implying that hedgehog = Chris B are you?LOL!Surely it's
just a coincidence that they're always two of the first bloggers to post on
every BYU article.Kyle probably doesn't bother recruiting long
snappers anymore because they're no longer needed at Utah since King Louie
Of course a Team with fans that know nothing about football would make fun of
this signing, but Fans of the premiere and only Legite Football program in the
state understand this offer. Deep snapping is a vital skill, known to real
football fans nation wide. Of course when you have band wagon fans,
like some of the lower tiered schools in the state, they would probably smirk at
this signing. So predictable!
Chris BDo you ever get tired of hitting your head against a wall?BYU will always loose.BYU will never reach a BCS game.BYU
will never..."Ever" is a long time dude. What will your
wold come to if BYU does?It's funny but my mom used to tell me,
don't let your mouth write checks reality can't possibly deliver.I
don't know where you live, but its not reality.
"A good long snapper is an essential component of a good football
team"Troll,a long snapper is typically a walk on...
Domain really should be putting his effort in getting some CB's.... although
that is probably impossible at the Y.
@ StrikerThanks for the heads-up. Always suspected that Chrissie B
and Hedgie were one in the same personna-as they just can not resist any
opportunity to talk smack/hate about even the most trivial BYU news. It all
makes sense now.Little by little Coach Mendenhall and his staff are
putting together all the integral pieces for a potential run at a national
championship and BCS bowls over the next several years.Go Cougs!
People don't realize how critical this position is. If this person messes up,
it could mean two easy points for the other team, or putting them in perfect
scoring position. By the way, when one person has IE and Firefox
open, logged under two different accounts, and posts twice on one article on a
team he doesn't like one after another, that shows what a classless and lowlife
that person really is. Whoever you are, you must be from Vancouver, because
they have no class in that city.
Good news -- I remember the pain from 2003's problems.
C'mon trolls. You may need 2 long snappers with all of the action your punter
is going to get this next year. The good part about that is the 2nd best play
the Utes made against BYU last year was the "muffed punt". Without
that, you would have chalked up another loss.
"A long snapper and four QB's. Domain is doing a great job in putting
together a football team."Really?Smack talk about a
deep snapper? The kids on the hill are really feeling insecure these days.A good long snapper is an essential component of a good football
team.When Wynn struggles and Kyle realizes that he has no
serviceable backups, Utah fans will be looking with envy at the plethora of
solid backup QBs that Bronco has stockpiled.
If we would have had a better long snapper, we would have beat U on your home
field with a Feshman QB.This is a good pick up. Pine View kids are
always welcome!Congrats, Kevin!
A long snapper and four QB's. Domain is doing a great job in putting together a
Huge pickup cougars!No doubt you're inching closer and closer to a
BCS game.LOL!Not going to happen.Ever.
The article is correct, a quality long snapper is important and getting a top
one is certainly worth one scholarship. Good job, it shores up a position that
Alright long snapper! YEAH! Woooooo!!!!!!