She looks forward to spending more time with family
Jackie Biskupski seems to have been a good hard worker for those she
represented. I am not sure it is any of our business what she does in her bed.
As long as she does not lie to us. Representatives should be held to a higher
standard of integrity and she seems to have that. Why is "Pagan" and
"Pagen" who are both the same person given so much say and time? Why
do you all argue with him? This is about a good person who has bought a house in
another district and is now having to resign her position. Not homosexual
To: Pagen | 11:21 a.m. June 14, 2011 SALT LAKE CITY, UT - in response to your
comment: 'My question is why does everyone have to bring up the issue of
Gay/Lesbian into this article.' - The Deuce | 10:29 a.m. This is a foolish
statement Deuce. Why bring it up?" - because many of the responders brought
this issue up and it had nothing to do with the decision made to step down,
based on the article. I am tired of always seeing this brought up. This is such
a non-issue to me regarding the representatives contribution to her district.
That is why I made the comment.
Also,"You can't claim that lying to 'some people' including
your WIFE, is an 'acceptable' lie, but lying to your constituents is
'wrong.'"Where oh where did I say it was an acceptable lie?
You're putting words into my mouth and you're quickly losing all credibility.
Re: Pagan,The fact that you fail to see the difference is evidence
of your extreme bias. I guess I shoudn't be surprised.
'I'm not talking about lying to their wives...' - Last Stand | 10:49 a.m. June
14, 2011 Yes. You are. You can't claim
that lying to 'some people' including your WIFE, is an 'acceptable' lie, but
lying to your constituents is 'wrong.' Your contradicting yourself!
Right now! Vitter LIED first, and THEN 'confessed' to
it. So, that means Vitter was ALSO lying to the public, claiming he had 'moral
fortitude' and had sex with ONLY his wife. As for the WMD's... 'Former head of UN weapons inspections Hans Blix also said there was no
surprise in the announcement. "We have believed that there weren't
any weapons since around May or June 2003...' - BBC News - 01/12/05 2003. So that means America COULD have left Iraq, after
only ONE year in Iraq. Today, Bush left America in Iraq, in 2008. 5 years later we can estimate on how many American lives could have
been saved. But no. 'Leave it for Obama' to clean up that mess,
too. You offer for a dictionary is an insult. So, there is no
further point in disproving lying in acceptable in 'some' cases.
Jackie Biskupski, thank you for your service. Good day.
CHS 85 | 7:47 a.m. June 14, 2011 Sandy, UT In your examples,
it wasn't known that he would be pulled over for DUI. The guy did live in the
correct area, it was the mapping that was done wrong and he stepped down. Do you
think a democrat would have one there anyway?The problem is, is she
acknowledge that she has been planning on moving for awhile. She just decided
right after elections.Should a person be kicked out of office on a
DUI? I don't see why not. Someone that irresponsible can't have the interest of
the people in mind. Is it wrong for someone to be told that they live in the
boundary when it was a mapping error? No, should they hold the office because of
the mistake. No. Although you could argue that the people did elect him. But
that was with the supposed knowledge that he lived in their district.I guess demos not allowing repubs in on the health care debate is fair?It's politics pure and simple. That's what is wrong with the system.
Pagan,Apparently my four comments are up so I've got a different
display name.I'm not talking about lying to their wives, although I
find that reprehensible in both cases, I'm talking about lying to the PUBLIC,
trying to cover it up, and basically losing the trust of the people you swore to
serve. That's why he should resign. I don't care what double standard you think
exists between Republicans and Democrats--frankly it exists on both sides--but
the fact that you're trying to spin it against Republicans is utterly laughable.
You even managed to bring Bush into it. Don't you see how pathetic that is?So, again, explain how Bush lied about WMD's? No rebuttal to my
commments?By the way, the definition of lying is NOT stating
something as fact that actually is not fact but stating something as fact that
you KNOW is not fact. Would you like to borrow my dictionary?
Dear DN monitor.....Did you ever stop to read how many of these
comments deal ONLY with New York Rep. Weiner, and have absolutely NOTHING to do
with UTAH Rep. Jackie Buskupski?Me sees an obvious bias.
My question is why does everyone have to bring up the issue of Gay/Lesbian into
this article. She simply moved and cannot legally represent her disctrict. Seems
straight forward to me. I am sick and tired of always trying to bring up whether
someone is gay, straight or lesbian with everything. what ever happened to
recognizing the worth of the individual and appreciating their contributions.
Why do we have to provide a label to all of this?
'As far as Vitter goes, I think he should've resigned as well. The difference,
though, is he was caught and didn't lie...' - Naked Truth | 9:28 a.m. June 14,
2011 You have a strange concept of what a 'lie' is.
David Vitter got married. But when he hires one of the 'DC Madams' ladies for
sex...that's not lying? Also, he didn't announce it without warrent. The
DC Madams phone book was made public. Only THEN did David Vitter 'come clean',
but he wasn't lying? Adultery, and paying for sex is a CRIME, which
INCLUDES lying. You cannot cheat on your spouse and not be lying.
Otherwise, your spouse is a 'swinger'. Also, what makes you think
I'm DEFENDING Weiner. I never said that. Go ahead. Quote me. Bush lied and people died. 4,000 dead in Iraq to date.
Where's Bush? On his Texas Ranch, laughing. Regardless of Weiner
stays or leaves, it has been almost x3 years since David Vitter admited to
paying for sex. Which is a crime and which INCLUDED lying to his wife. Asking for Weiners resignation, when Republicans have been shown to SUPPORT
this type of activity, shows how morally corrupt they are.
Pagan,One more thing, why is it that we only hold politicians to
ethical standards along party lines? Why are you so adamant in defending Weiner
when you think Vitter should have resigned? If both were unethical, then both
should go. By the way, the Republican Party would be better off having Weiner
stay so they could mount a campaign against him in 2012 to try to win that
Congressional Seat. If there had to be a special election, no chance the
Republicans win that highly democratic district.
Re: Pagan @ 7:19 P.M.Wow, I don't know where to start.As
far as Vitter goes, I think he should've resigned as well. The difference,
though, is he was caught and didn't lie about it and try to cover it up. He
owned up to it. Still, if I was a Louisiana voter, I would've demanded he be
gone.And Bush "lying" about WMD's? Please, such a tired
conspiracy theory. If he lied about WMD's then what you're saying is he KNEW
Saddam did NOT have them but yet he convinced both Congress and the
International Community that Saddam did have them so he could have their support
to go to war. All intelligence agenices around the world believed in the
existence of WMD's. For a guy that I'm sure you believe to be not so smart,
that's pretty impressive, especially since his perpetration of said lie would've
had to have begun during the Clinton Administration!And by the way,
it's not a double standard in the case of Weiner. His own party is calling for
his resignation and Obama has even suggested it!
The world is a better place.
"There were legislators who could not look me in the eye. There were
legislators who would not shake my hand," she said. About
looking her in the eye: As a man attending a hearing regarding largely father's
rights, she winked at me before the hearing. It struck me as misplaced. At the
end of the hearing, she proposed a massive verbal change that essentially
reversed the changes the bill proposed. From my reading it was a violation of
the rules. It was embarrassing behavior.
Sorry to see her move and have to resign. Thanks for serving your constituents.
Have a nice life.
'Why did she run for office just months ago, if she had plans on moving?' -
Liberal Ted | 6:50 a.m. CHS85, Let's not forget a
little known Alaska Gov. who ran for VP, lost, and then quit her first term as
Gov. of Alaska halfway through. Who could that be...?
Starts with a 'Sarah', ends with a 'Palin.'
The reality Liberal Ted is that the seat vacated by Jackie is solidly liberal.
A republican has very little chance. Even if she resigned prior to her last
election, a democrat would have carried that district.
@Liberal TedYou mean like a legislator who runs for office in a
district he doesn't even live in and the party gets to appoint someone to fill
his spot. You mean like a guy who knows a massive scandal is going
to hit, but waits until the legislative session is over and he gets to go out on
top with a standing ovation instead of his head held in shame? Who appointed
the successor to his seat? You mean like a state senator who gets a
DUI and resigns? Who appointed the successor to his seat?
Why did she run for office just months ago, if she had plans on moving? Is that
having the best interest of the people in mind? Or is it so the democrats would
be able to appoint anyone to that spot without competition?Looks
like politics to me. It was well planned out. They new she would win, and then
they can appoint someone and hopefully have enough time to make a name for that
individual.Yet the demos complain about gerrymandering. I think
they're playing the game just fine.
Rep. Biskupski is a friend. She was willing to help anyone's bill be better,
Republican or Democrat. I will miss seeing her on the hill.
There's no crying in politics! Is there?
The old belief that only the constituents should have a say is bunch of garbage
because on both the state and federal level, a representative from New York or
Oklahoma or California pass laws that affect me here in Utah just as our members
of Congress pass laws that affect every other state. On a state level a member
of the legislature representing parts of Salt Lake County pass legislation that
affects me here in Layton or someone in Carbon County or Washington County.
I would be annoyed at a legislator who chose to run for office, won that
election, and then who chose to buy a home outside that district he/she
voluntarily chose to represent. A lot of you are sidetracking the
issue and going on and on about Weiner, adultery, etc, but I think you're
missing an important point about trust. Why is there not an issue that this
woman choose to run for office and then choose to move out of the electoral
district she made claims she would represent during the term of her elected
office? Sending inappropriate pictures or cheating on your spouse are not the
only ways to let down your constituents.
'What you fail to aknowledge is that Weiner is in hot water not just because of
the sexting, but because he LIED...' - Naked Truth | 3:26 p.m. June 13, 2011 Ok. But so did: David Vitter. Republican rep
for Louisiana, still serving today. Zero calls for resignation from the
Republican party. But they can call on Weiner to resign? Double
standard. Also, if you want to talk about lying: George
W. Bush. "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces
chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.' - George W.
Bush - Ohio Speech 10/7/2002 No Nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction
were found. Ever. Also: '"We do not
torture,"' - Former President George W. Bush - 11/07/05 - BBC News Debunked: 'George Bush admits US waterboarded 9/11 mastermind' - Paul
Owen - By UK Guardian - 06/03/10 'Former US president says Khalid Sheik
Mohammed was waterboarded by US and he would do it again...' Both
examples that conservatives do not hold the Republican party... to
the same ideals they hold Weiner too. Double. Standard.
Hey, everybody. DeltaFoxtrot is correct. Adultery is the ACT; otherwise it's
only "adultery in your heart." Not the same thing.Sure, if
it's in your heart, it's possible you might do the act. But, it's not adultery
itself without the act.Still, religious-wise, adultery in the heart
is a sin, too. Just not as big of a one.Mormon Bishops and Stake
Presidents deal with this all the time, and treat the situations accordingly.
I'm not interested in the sexuial preferances or practices being discussed here,
but I think she should have resigned 8 years ago, ALONG WITH every other member
of the legislature who has served more than 5 years!! My gosh, what makes these
people decide they know better than anyone else how to run things and that they
ought to be in power forever? That's precisly what's wrong with the US
Congress, every State Legislature and a good many City Councils and County
Commissions. They all think they're persons of privilege because they happened
to win an election at the ballot box. TOSS THEM ALL I SAY!!
@deltafoxtrot"There has to be physical intercourse for it to be
adultery. "Ever heard of the phrase "violating the spirit
of the law"? It's kinda like that sort of situation here. Besides you used
a biblical defintion but didn't use the one given by Jesus that goes beyond just
physical intercourse.Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her
hath committed adultery, Matt. 5: 28 @LDSliberalThat
moving out of state comment was made when the article was in an earlier version
that was just saying she was going to make an announcement. The article was
changed after the details of that announcement came forth.
RE: DeltaFoxtrotAdultry as defined by Jesus:In Matthew 5
Jesus Said:27 You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit
adultery. 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust
has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
LDS Liberal,So you must not have a problem with a married man
disregarding his marriage vows by engaging in what many in a marriage would term
inappropriate behavior because it's not "illegal". Ok, fine. But are
you ok with the coverup he spearheaded, lying repeatedly to the public about it?
The man does not deserve to be in public service and if he were the
representative of my district, I'd vote him out faster than you can say
@LDS Liberal In fairness to govt rocks the original article (with a
different header) that was running with this thread was before her official
announcement and did not include any information on why she was resigning. I
only bring it up because I think it only fair to point the finger at the right
people in this case the DN.
Rifleman | 11:41 a.m. June 13, 2011 Salt Lake City, Utah At the
national level Weiner should follow Biskupski's example. [What? Rep.
Biskupski moved out of her district, she can no longer legally represent her
district.Rep. Weiner e-mailed stupid messages: Stupid, but not
illegal.Unless you're grasping for straws by trying to link His
sexting indescression to a Lesbian relationship.You're mixing Apples and
Oranges.Typical disconnected logic of Talk-Radio rationalization.]================ govt rocks | 12:38 p.m. June 13, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT My guess is she is moving out of state. She recently
sold her house. Can't really blame her. [Obviously - you didn't take
the time to read the article before commenting, unless you think she can
possibly run or be Mayor of Salt Lake City while living out of state.]===========
Your Bible defines Adultery as "lying with a woman married to an
husband" from Deuteronomy 22:22.The dictionary defines Adultery
as "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other
than his or her lawful spouse"There has to be physical
intercourse for it to be adultery.
Make that "not seating her..."
"Naughty pictures sent, sure. But no adultery has been proven."I was with you until you said this. Sending naughty pictures to other
people when you are married is still adultery.
As usual, I am at a total loss when Ruzicka speaks. Why would Utah not sit a
duly-elected representative? If she was eligible to run and won the election,
seating her would be a slap to freedom. I know this episode was
years ago, but give me a break!
Re: PagenWhat you fail to aknowledge is that Weiner is in hot water
not just because of the sexting, but because he LIED about it and tried
extensively to cover it up. You probably also believe that Clinton was impeached
by the house over his affair with Lewinsky, where it was clearly for lying under
oath about it. Doesn't it speak volumes about the integrity of our
current society (or lack there of) where a man in public office can get caught
doing something shameful, proceed to lie about it in public, claim some false
story to try and cover it up and yet still garner 70% support from his
we love you Jackie, thank you for your wonderful service to our state.
@ Williary :"Shouldn't being a member of Congress be about serving the
people who voted you in? At least that was the rallying cry from Republicans
during the Health Care debate.Now many like Rifleman have pulled
another 180.In a recent poll, 70% of Weiner's constituents don't
believe he should resign."Just shows the lack of good judgement
in Weiner's constituents.
@RBNBut then not saying voluntary leaves the option of people
thinking, at least at first, that she was forced out so... eh, either way
someone's going to misinterpret it anyway. At that point you just hope people
actually read the article.
Shouldn't being a member of Congress be about serving the people who voted you
in? At least that was the rallying cry from Republicans during the Health Care
debate.Now many like Rifleman have pulled another 180.In
a recent poll, 70% of Weiner's constituents don't believe he should resign. Shouldn't the final say really be up to those who put him in office?
Why would the DNews indicate "voluntarily" resigned? It seems to
imply that there may be other reasons that could "force" her to
resign. Maybe it's just bad editing.
Did Rifleman call for John Ensign and Tom Coburn to resign? That was a lot
worse than what Anthony Weiner did.
My guess is she is moving out of state. She recently sold her house. Can't
really blame her.
@rifleman While understand you probably did not mean it to be, I find
comparing Weiners situation to Biskupski's is a real slap in the face. By all
indication Biskupski has served her constituents with great honor.
At the national level Weiner should follow Biskupski's example.