Maple Don is Spot On. This parade should have been ignored. To have children
watching whilst Gay men dress up in drag and openly display acts of homosexual
activity is beyond the pale. And, our State, County and a far too numerous
hosts of people endorse such Sodom and Gomorrah behavior. The Lord is not well
pleased and, the Deseret News, words aren't enough.
@Clifton Palmer McLendon You do realize that there is an LDS Church
News which is separate and distinct from the Des News, right? The Church News
and Mormon Times, while distributed with the Des News, aren't the same. The Des
News is a local newspaper first and foremost. Their job is to report all of the
news that all of the community would find important, not just the stuff the
church and its members approves of.
One word-- GROSS!!!
To JasonLivy:All of that is fine....if that is what you believe.
Just don't try to pretend then that "these laws are not debateable or
negotiable" because by your very post, you prove yourself wrong.
jasonlivyBut Jason,You're working on the assumption that
homosexuality is immoral and that only Christian nuclear families are
heaven-bound, and further, that gays cannot be Christian.I believe
that God loves all his children and that God loves his gay children as they are.
To say that gays have to conform to heterosexuality is narrow and moreover--it
promotes the further teardown of what you're trying to protect, ironically.
Gays are as capable of living committed happy fulfilled lives and to choose God,
if they have a relationship with him.Otherwise, you drive gays away
from God. Which would you rather have?
@SLC gal You wouldn't have been heckled "or worse" for
looking Mormon. What does that even mean? Please explain to me what you think
lesbians (and their friends, mothers, sisters, etc.) look like? Horns? No wait,
that's Mormons right? You're just another example of the oppressor
acting like you're the one being oppressed. Especially with your Straight Pride
idea. I think that's a fine idea but a little redundant since every day of the
year is straight, white pride. Also, I'd love it if you pointed out
one statement in your post that WASN'T homophobic.
@jasonlivy What does Christ say in the scriptures about homosexuality?
Nothing. What does he say about judging others? What does he say about love
they neighbor? In most cases of those who profess to know Christ are the most un
Christlike. A case of "they draw near to me with their mouths but their
hearets are far from me".
TO: Robert JohnsonThere was a need for polygamy in the early history
of the church. The need is no longer there. We have been commanded that marriage
is between a man and a woman. That's it.The fact is I don't know the
reasons. There are many things I don't understand. We all have to put our faith
and trust in something. I have chosen to follow the gospel of Jesus Christ. I've
put this to the test many times in my life, and through my experiences believe
that it is the best thing for me and my family.As someone who holds
Christ sacred, I believe that the scriptures are true. This is where the Lord
has taught us how to be happy. The primary way for us to find happiness is
through family which consists of a man, a woman, and children reared in
righteousness. This brings peace to my soul.I believe there are laws
and rules to morality. Morality is one of God's fundamental laws. As we neglect
these laws and count them as foolish, we will suffer significant societal
I'm not a homophobe, but I just don't get PRIDE.First of all, I know
for a fact, if I had been anywhere near downtown when this was going on, looking
like the Mormon I am I would have been seriously heckled or worse. Pretend to be
open mided all you want, but we both know that isn't always the truth when push
comes to shove.Secondly, all this parade seems to do is exaggerate
and give more credibility to the very sterotypes that gay people are always up
in arms about.Thirdly, by emphasizing your differences in such a
bold brash display, doesn't that further emphasize the divide between gay and
straight?Fourthly, if it were a straight pride festival, there would
be an uproar from the gay community in a hot second....
'Just a reminder, people, on where we, as Latter Day Saints, should stand.' -
TheWalker | 7:49 p.m. June 6, 2011 *'In doing so, recognize that
marriage is not an all-purpose solution. Same-gender attractions run deep, and
trying to force a heterosexual relationship is not likely to change them. We are
all thrilled when some who struggle with these feelings are able to marry, raise
children, and achieve family happiness. But other attempts have resulted in
broken hearts and broken homes.' - Title: Helping Those Who Struggle with
Same-Gender Attraction, - Author Elder Jeffrey R. Holland - Oct
2007 Source? LDS website.
Jason Livy.....what you fail to recognize that it wasn't that long ago that
members of the LDS church believed that marriage was between a man and a woman
and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and a
woman. So forgive me if I don't give your statement much
credibility when you write "These laws are not debatable nor
The RockRe: PrideI don't believe people that use the
term 'pride' as in "gay pride" mean it in the same context as say, for
example, scripture-based pride, lacking humility, etc.Pride in the
context of gay pride means not to be ashamed in the context of not being
closeted, not being allowed to be ridiculed for who you are - that kind of
pride.Other groups and events use the word "pride" and it
does not have a negative connotation. School pride - for example, but you don't
accuse them of being sinful for having school pride.TeaforTwoWhat would people have said about lowering standards when marriage
between races was a taboo? In fact, people did see it as "lowering of
standards" when, in fact, it was just just intolerance.
We as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints hold sacred a
belief that traditional families are the bedrock of society. We do not claim
that we are even close to being perfect. We strive, or should be striving, to
'Love the Lord thy God with all of our heart, might, mind, and strength and to
love our neighbor as ourself.'We also believe that God created man
in his own image and because of this divine creation, we are subject to His laws
and commandments. This is were we put our faith and trust. These laws include
that marriage is only between a man and woman. These laws are not debatable nor
negotiable.We believe in the eternal family and that those who build
their lives on this sure foundation is what Christ described as building your
house upon a rock, that when the winds and rains come and beat upon the house,
it remains. But when these laws are broken it's like building your house upon
the sand and when the winds and rain come, the house falls and is destroyed. He that has ears to hear, let him hear
Interesting that the Deseret News would cover this news story and then totally
ignore Pioneer Theatre Company's production of RENT.
I will remember what Peter Corroon supports during the next election. The Pope speaks as loudly as The Prophet on the importance of marriage between
one man and one woman.
From 'The Family: A Proclamation to the World'"We ... declare
that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed
only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon
individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and
modern prophets."Just a reminder, people, on where we, as
Latter Day Saints, should stand.
To all those leaving negative comments, go ahead, we don't care what you think,
and your arguements are getting really old. I love the folks who have said
"well we don't celebrate straight pride." Guess what, every day is
straight pride. We have Mother's Day, Father's Day, Bosses Day, Veteran's Day,
etc., heaven forbid the gays get a day. Happy Pride everyone!
Calling gays intolerant because we won't let you get away with intolerance is
getting really old and is extremely disingenuous. While it is a brilliant
strategy, turning the victim into the perpetrator, no person is obligated to be
tolerant of the people who HATE them. I've just never understood how
people could believe that destroying my family will strengthen theirs. Gays
aren't telling you that you have to change anything, we just want the same
rights and acknowledgement of our humanity and dignity. It's appalling that the
concept is so difficult for people to understand.
Ah. The 'time tested' tradition of marriage. Polygamy, 1890.
Interacial marriage, denied until supreme court ruling in 1967. Gay marriage, 1st legal in MA in 2004. So easy to forget about
Utah's constitutional Amendment 3, passed also in 2004. Factually changing
marriage from 'two people' to 'one man and one woman.' Those
'thousands of years of marriage?' It's really seven.
Claiming a historical presidence as the reason to deny LGBT rights is
disengenious and factually false on it's face. Also, Octo-mom. 14 kids. No husband. LGBT rights are comming,
mainly due to the fact that those against have no solid arguments that can stand
@teafortwo 1:04. You read a lot into my comment that I never wrote. For
example: I never said that children DON'T need parents, I only said that your
data showed only SINGLE parent families not PARENTS (plural) where is your data
comparing "non" traditional families to "traditional"? also,
I would think that your idiotic comment "And there are no parents who will
care more for children than the biological parents who created them." will
be offensive to many parents who have adopted children for whatever reason. And
lastly, you seem to feel that you know me quite well, which prooves only that
YOU are confused, delusional and ignorant. I only pointed out the flaws in your
information, and you respond by attacking me on a personal level. I have NO
problem with the "old fashioned" idea of the traditional family, but I
also understand that the misguided concepts you and your kind cling to tend to
harm society more than the gay community ever could.
@USAlovers Despite popular belief among the far right the LGBT
community is made up of many people all with their own thoughts and feelings on
such subjects and with enough wisdom from past experience to not make comments
that will be taken out of context and used as a tool to try to disparage
individuals or the community (I have no doubt many in the LDS community feel the
same way about their religion). Unfortunately many of us have grown suspicious
that any such question is sincere especially on a public forum such as this. If
you are sincere (since I cannot see whats in your heart) I would say talk to a
LGBT person you know and ask them their individual opinion off line.
"Honest question to be answered by the gay community.Do most
gay people cringe when they see the "drag", "queer" and
"cross-dressing crowd wearing thongs"? Are half-naked people parading
through downtown the best ambassadors for your movement or do they reinforce
stereotypes that are harmful?"Although Honest question to be
answered by the gay community.Do most gay people cringe when they
see the "drag", "queer" and "cross-dressing crowd
wearing thongs"? Are half-naked people parading through downtown the best
ambassadors for your movement or do they reinforce stereotypes that are
harmful?I would ask - do you look at the people at Carnival in
Brazil - in costume, partying in the streets - and think all Brazilians or all
Catholics dress and act like that? Do you look at Mardi Gras pictures and think
everyone in New Orleans is always in the streets partying it up, wearing strands
of plastic beads? If not, why would you look at pictures of the Pride parade
and think that's how people dress and act all the time?
@Rocket Science and USAlovers- Unlike a heirarchical system where leaders are
elected, chosen, appointed, or "called," the LGBT community is a
natural collection of people from all walks of life with only one thing in
common: They all are, or know and love someone who is, lesbian, gay, bisexual,
or transgender. From conservative to liberal, from rich to impoverished, from
lily white to ebony and everything in between, the only thing that unites us is
that society raised us with an expectation we would be straight, and we declared
our independence from social labels. The people who talked to the media weren't
the duly appointed gay presidents. They 1- were doing something that caught the
attention of the reporter and 2- were willing to talk.Only the most
naive media consumer would hear Senator Buttars' racist rants or Glen Beck's
conspiracy theories and conclude all LDS faithful are of the same mind. Yet
because the media highlighted a woman with a beard or a man in a speedo, some
conclude that the community picked these spokespeople. Not so. We have declared
independence. We can each speak for ourselves. And we will not be silenced by
calls to conform.
@teafortwo and rocket scientist As has been pointed out to both of
you on far more then on occasion the research actually does not support your
position. I suggest you take your own advice and do some research if you
actually want to know the truth which I doubt you do or you would have already
done so. coming on and making the same false claims every time there is an
article about the gay community is doing nothing to help your cause. For that
want to no the truth it is simple enough just google the American Psychological
Association, the American Pedantic Society and/or the Nation Association of
Social Workers they all have research available that directly contradicts these
two/s baseless claims.
cymrul - You are living in a fantasy world of confusion, delusion and
ignorance....Contrary to what you may choose to believe, children need parents.
And there are no parents who will care more for children than the biological
parents who created them. It is obvious that you find the whole concept of
traditional marriage and traditional families to be hoplessely old-fashioned,
but that is only because you don't know what you are talking about.
While there should be no discrimination against those who choose a different
lifestyle it is a fact that the LGBT lifestyle is abnormal, LGBT is defined as
such by statistics. It is not discriminatory to hold to time tested societal
standards like marriage.Hipocrisy has been mentioned, the LGBT
community needs to have tolerance for those who do not support LGBT lifestyle.
Discrimination against those who supported prop 8 in California is only one
example of such hispocrisy. I am also interested to see answers to
USAlovers questions - Do most gay people cringe when they see the
"drag", "queer" and "cross-dressing crowd wearing
thongs"? Are half-naked people parading through downtown the best
ambassadors for your movement or do they reinforce stereotypes that are
harmful?I would also ask - If I accept the gay and lesbian
lifestyle as "you were born that way" then how do you explain bisexual
behavior? It seems like it is nothing more than an uncontrolled, wreckless and
perverse lifestyle to satisfy carnal desire whatever way possible.
Teafortwo | 12:17 p.m. June 6, 2011 "The fact is that
traditional families work better than non-traditional families. Which explains
why traditional familes are the same in virtually all societies, civilizations
and cultures..... "---Umm, not really. Polygamy is
fairly traditional in many parts of the world. There are families in South
America were it is NORMAL that a woman have sex with multiple men, other than
her husband, in order to provide a second "father" to a child - it is
EXPECTED.Your "version" of traditional, isn't quite.
I look at it this way. We have the first weekend in June to celebrate our
diversity and individuality and who we are, the rest of you get the 24th of July
to proclaim your conformity and lack of individuality and who you aren't. But
after that parade I promise that I will not post mean spirited comments filled
with tired biblical quotes, the falling sky, the end of society as we know it,
and innumerable homosexual men suddenly changing their minds and becomming
straight, thereby destroying countless gay relationships across the Wasatch
@ teafortwo all of your statistics showed the results of SINGLE parent families,
you have NOTHING that shows similar statistics comparing a heterosexual couple
and the results of their child rearing to those of gay couples raising children
or even the children raised in plural marriage households. To me you would need
those to support your "traditional" family argument.
I don't even know where to start. First, @Jasonlivy, Mormons, despite common
belief, do not hold the monopoly on happiness. I know that many of you may
feel, and have certainly testified to others, that the only way to be truly
happy is through, essentially, being Mormon. It's all relative my friends. If
true happiness was such a guarantee in Utah, we wouldn't have the highest
anti-depressant usage here, now would we?"It's been said that
SLC will be one of the most wicked cities, first to burn, blah blah blah."
Really? Said by whom? Brigham Young? Or maybe one of the many from that (and
subsequent) era that also said things like blacks will forever be subservient,
and never have the priesthood? Common. Stop taking everything the brethren say
as scripture. IT ISN'T.Lastly, being angered or bothered by support for
"wickedness" is relative. YOU may believe that homosexuality is
wickedness, and a grievous sin, but many people don't share that belief, because
they believe something else. Have a little respect for the fact that other
people may have different sets of beliefs, but can still be as "good"
Ranch Hand - You sound like the same people who have been telling us for the
last 45 years that unwed parenthood is NOT a problem. Well, it is a problem. A
huge problem. Here a few little nuggets to chew on: 70% of prison inmates were
born to unwed parents; 80% of welfare payments go to families headed by unwed
mothers; black males raised by unwed mothers are more likely to die violently or
end up in prison before the age of 25 than they are to graduate from college.
The fact is that traditional families work better than non-traditional families.
Which explains why traditional familes are the same in virtually all societies,
civilizations and cultures.....
Remember cream of the crop LDS Folks.......... If everything you say is true,
you will have it made in "Heaven". The folks at the Parade who you are
criticizing, won't be your neighbors in the "next life". You have
pretty much narrowed down who is going to get in there. It will only be you and
your like minded buddies.
It's great that Salt Lake has a solidly accepted Gay Pride Parade.But for those who aren't gay, it's important to remember that no group can be
the face of individuals. What you're looking at is simply one subset of gay
life acting out their own particular personae. It does *not* represent everyone
who's gay.We're all around you, and often unrecognizable. I,
myself, have a much more "Mormon" style and values--though I'm not a
Mormon. It's simply who I am as a person. I like the soft-spoken and
non-substance-using life. And no, I'm not "unliberated." I'm totally
liberated, from both "straight" and "gay."So
again, when you're looking at Pride Parades--whether delightedly or with
dismay--remember, it doesn't show who gays "are." It only shows who a
certain group of gays are.
@Teafortwo;Do some of your own research. It is proven fact that
non-traditional couples are as beneficial a family as traditional couples. I am
doing far and away better than my heterosexual siblings; as are many of the GLBT
couples that I know. Children raised in GLBT families are every bit as well off
and well rounded as children raised in hetero/traditional families. Fact.This has everything to do with discrimination and bigotry even though
you may deny it.
To "The rock" white-guy from Federal Washington:You ask
why people need to take "pride" in who they are....since you don't
take pride in being white or in being a man...because they are things that you
cannot change.The main reason is that you are not told by a large
segment of the population that you are inferior to a man (as many women are
told), that are inferior because of the color of your skin or that you are
perverted and disgusting because of your sexual orientation. Gay Pride exists
as a way to say to people around the world that are made to feel inferior or
different or worse, ostracized to the point of suicide....that hey....its
ok....you are not alone and that the bigots of the world should not be allowed
to destroy your spirit.
Perversion on parade. Delightful.
There was a parade last weekend?
@bigsoccer"It is said that in the last days that Salt Lake
City, will be considered one of the most wicked places in the world, at least in
the United States. And it will be one of the first cities to burn."It is said by whom?
RanchHand - You need not be a bigot to understand that certain types of
behaviour are good for society and certain types of behaviour are bad for
society. Those that are good have become the traditional standard. The more we
digress from those standards, the more problems we have. Do a little research.
You will discover that people who live in traditonal families and traditional
relationships and come from traditional backgrounds do better in every way and
have fewer problems, overall, than people who live in non-tradtional settings.
That is not opinion. It is fact and it has nothing to do with bigotry, hatred or
discrimination. Even if you don't want to believe it.....
Teafortwo | 9:37 a.m. June 6, 2011 The more we lower standards of
acceptable behaviour in the name of tolerance, the more sub-standard behaviour
we will have; the more extreme and perverse it will become; the more problems it
will cause; and the more destructive it will be. Those are the facts. Even if
some people are too delusional to see it..... --I hope you're
referring to the substand behavior of discrimination and bigotry. These
behaviors are both destructive and the cause of many of the problems we face as
a society; even if some people are too delusional to see it.
The last time I checked, not ONE person was forced to attend this parade. I
didn't see anyone in army uniforms rounding people up at gunpoint to force them
to watch or participate. If you chose not to attend, then great. If you did
choose to attend, then that is fine as well. It is a free country and how you
chose to spend your Sunday is your business. No one cares if you went to
church, went camping with your kids, watched NASCAR, golfed, went to a parade,
went to Wendover to play the slots, or anything else. For those of you who get
puffed up because you are are seemingly better than everyone else, just remember
that this is still the USofA and everyone is free to spend their time as they
choose without having to justify it to you or anyone else.
It is said that in the last days that Salt Lake City, will be considered one of
the most wicked places in the world, at least in the United States. And it will
be one of the first cities to burn.
@Clifton Palmer McLendon The Deseret News is, in fact, a NEWSpaper
that we in the Salt Lake area read for NEWS in our community and our state.
Like it or not, this was an event that happend in our commuity that was
NEWSworthy. If you don't want the local Salt Lake news, perhaps you should
stick to the Mormon Times and your local newspaper in the community where you
To all who call for less judging, that is all fine and good to say. However, in
the past 5 years, I have seen the LGBT movement shoved at me to accept as
normal, their agenda is being put forth as normal and acceptable and I do not
believe it to be so. Sorry if I feel that sinners should be quiet and repentant
of their sins, not prideful of them.Nice to know Mayor Peter Caroon was in
on this, I'll remember that come his next election. I feel we need leaders who
reflect the community's values.
Reading the pious comments from several of the posters here remind me so much of
the hypocrites that Jesus spoke out, who like to proclaim their
"righteousness" to the world, when the truly righteous are much more
humble.It also reminds me of "Harper Valley
PTA".....usually the people who feel the need to tell everyone who
righteous they are, are just a little Peyton place and all Harper Valley
I think it is funny that people say "don't judge" yet everyone has
to make thousands of decisions /Judgments everyday- it is called life. If you DO dress and act like a freak and geek (direct quote from the story)
then people are going to treat you accordingly- especially when you have a big
parade every year to show your real self to the world.
The more we lower standards of acceptable behaviour in the name of tolerance,
the more sub-standard behaviour we will have; the more extreme and perverse it
will become; the more problems it will cause; and the more destructive it will
be. Those are the facts. Even if some people are too delusional to see it.....
What place does a story glorifying sexual perversion have in the Church News?
@mapledon Psst. Gay men do have the priesthood.
Honest question to be answered by the gay community.Do most gay
people cringe when they see the "drag", "queer" and
"cross-dressing crowd wearing thongs"? Are half-naked people parading
through downtown the best ambassadors for your movement or do they reinforce
stereotypes that are harmful?Honestly...I wanna know. Peace and
love to all.
MapleDon you are simply wrong, both about High Council meetings in general and
my activities yesterday specifically. For you and goitalone, unfounded
accusations of lying are inconsistent with a commitment to engage in civil
Oh dear, God is having a wonderful laugh at all this bickering. Personally, I
think we celebrate God and his love far better by having a good time and
enjoying the day with friends and loved ones instead of staying home or
sanctimoniously going to church when your mind is really on the up coming
football game.Didn't Jesus once tie into "those who would
loudly cry their love of God to Heaven, but continue to treat others as
garbage"?Hypocrisy: They taught the law but did not practise
some of the most important parts of the law - justice, mercy, faithfulness to
God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as titheing spices but not the
real meat of the law. (Mat. 23:23-24)
I would never attend or especially bring my children to such a sad display of
what our fine city has become. There's nothing to be proud about here. I'm sad
our Mayor would attend this either. We need to get back to our roots and true
pride. This is not where we should be heading.
If this event is so much fun and is legitimate and represents Utah, then why the
change in name? Why can't it just be called what it is, Gay Pride Festival? Why
the covert legitimization by attaching a name which suggests that Utah is unique
in supporting the LBGT agenda? People are people. Accept them for
who they are. I see no reason to cloak what has always been a gay pride festival
in a more politically correct name. Utah can be proud of a lot of things, but
this festival is, and always has been a celebration of LBGT lifestyle. Is there
something to hide here? If we are proud of the lifestyle, then just call it what
Nice try Gandalf, but you might have slipped it in between a sacrament meeting
and whatever else, but you weren't in a High Council meeting. I be;lieve you are
a troll trying to legitimize beliefs with facts you can't support.
"I have often wondered why people take pride (or satisfaction) in things
they can do nothing about"People complain about Pride. They say
straight people dont have parades and festivals to celebrate their own sexual
orientation. Let me ask you something if you are straight. Every time you go out
in public, do you have to question who it is okay to start liking, or weather or
not you can ask someone out on a date? Do you have to question if someone is the
same sexual orientation as you? During our 3 day festival, it is the one time a
year where you can dress however you want to dress, act however you want to act,
and finally let loose and completely be yourself. Nobody will give you a second
glance, or make fun of you. It is the one time of the year where everyone else
is just like you. You dont have to wonder if you are going to be made fun of, or
laughed at for being different. It is the one time of the year where being
different is normal. And its amazing.
As a Mormon I can say with complete certainty that I do not hate those in the
LGBT community. A Salt Lake City police officer friend recently informed me
that SLC has the highest homosexual population, per capita, second only to San
Francisco, of any U.S. city. If the LGBT population had not found SLC to be a
friendly, livable place, then it seems to me we would not have seen such an
influx as we have over the past decade and a half. I believe that acceptance is
demonstrated by today's parade. However, just as the LGBT community does not
care to embrace my diverse and unique LDS beliefs, I also don't care to embrace
theirs. Yet we can still be good neighbors and respect each other's humanity.
Today's parade proves this, in my opinion.
"I have often wondered why people take pride (or satisfaction) in things
they can do nothing about"Oppressed groups tend to need a
pick-me-up which comes through a celebration of who they are. Actually... in a
way it's kinda like Pioneer Day.
MapleDon: FYI, high council meeting schedules vary stake to stake. Many meet
on Fast Sunday. Don't be so quick to accuse without the facts.
1. Responding to comments on Aids - The great majority of Aids cases could have
been avoided if not for homosexual activity, heterosexual promiscuity and IV
drug use. Thank goodness for this nation which has worked hard to alleviate
this dreadful disease throughout the world. May God bless any who are so
afflicted.2. Judging - Correct we should not judge another's
worthiness before God, we are however expected to judge right and wrong and
stand for what is right in society. No need to criticize another but that is
different from standing for what is right.3. Marriage is defined as
the union of a man and a woman as husband and wife. Wife is defined as a
woman married to a man. Husband is defined as a man married to a woman.
Therefore there cannot be homosexual marriage. Don't try to change the
definition to something that never has been, is not, and never will be despite
what courts or people make legal. Let the time tested definition stand and you
will find much less opposition.
Last time I checked pride was still a sin.I have often wondered why
people take pride (or satisfaction) in things they can do nothing about. I am
of European extraction. I am a white guy. I am not proud of my
"whiteness" I am just white.If a persons sexual
orientation cannot be changed, why take pride in it? Why not take
pride (or satisfaction) in accomplishment? Self esteem comes from
accomplishment and accomplishment comes from hard work.To me it is
laughable to take pride in something I can do nothing to effect.
thank you Gandaff and guswetrust, your words are very kind and I appreciate your
understanding that there is plenty of room in the world for people of all
stripes. A little more mutual respect and dare I say love would go a long way in
healing the hurt feelings on both sides in our community.
Way to go Gandalf. As a Mormon, my thoughts exactly. Celebrate differences and
the knowledge it brings! Enjoy other's beliefs and ways and love them for who
they are. So they are different. Embrace them anyway.
@Gandalf"many wonderful people in the LGBT community...are
living more Christian lives from what I can tell than some of my recommend
holding LDS friends."And exactly how would you know that
without judging your "recommend holding LDS friends"? "We need to knock off the judging."No kidding.
Roseanne Barr gave one of the Top 10 Worst National-Anthem renditions of all
time and then made a crude gesture. hard to take anyone like that seriously.
Why would anyone want her to lead their parade?
We all need to have pride in something, and I'm proud that our little town has
reached the big time enough to have a legit pride parade. Things get better and
all that jazz. Too bad we couldn't have a pride parade for a Utah Jazz
Respect goes both ways. "pragmatistferlife | 7:24 p.m. June 5,
2011" Although I am not the first to do so, I look at the cosmos and
celebrate the glory of God.
Gandalf, I'm still laughing. Yeah, right. Sure.High Council meetings
aren't held on Fast Sundays.Honesty eludes you.
Maple Don, Just because the DNews is owned by the LDS Church doesn't mean that
it shouldn't cover this event. It was of great significance in terms of number
of people involved (both in the parade and watching) and as a reflection of an
important aspect of both Salt Lake and the State of Utah. I was there and it was
a lot of fun! I slipped it in between attending my stake High Council meeting
and my sacrament meeting. As part of an LDS culture, we need to
become more respectful and aware of the struggles of our LGBT brothers and
sisters, both inside and outside the Church, to obtain the basic civil rights
they are entitled to. It's not my job to judge others based on what they do in
their bedrooms. I'm about as straight as they come but there are
many wonderful people in the LGBT community who I love and who are living more
Christian lives from what I can tell than some of my recommend holding LDS
friends. And that's OK. We're all at different places in the process. We need to knock off the judging.
"For the Church-owned Deseret News to send a reporter to cover Utah Pride
doesn't show much wisdom. Just the opposite.Recommend"Yeah, shame on a NEWSpaper for covering the largest parade in the state. How
dare a NEWSpaper report news!
Interesting that the Church-owned newspaper sends a reporter to tell us about
all the fun we could have had on the Sabbath celebrating our sexual diversity,
except that we were in the chapels we were counseled to fill. There we were
instructed to keep the day holy and keep our thoughts and actions pure.Are we trying to have it both ways? Making friends with Babylon, while
smacking the saints over their heads for not staying on the "straight and
narrow path"?Let's be honest, this same crowd that used to
march around Temple Square can't stand you. And no matter how much you try to be
their friend, until you give gays the priesthood and allow gay marriages in the
temple, you'll never be their friend. For the Church-owned Deseret
News to send a reporter to cover Utah Pride doesn't show much wisdom. Just the
jason, "These rules must be followed strictly due to the laws that govern
the universe." What? Gravity, second law of thermodynamics,..and this has
what to do with sexual orientation?Actually, you are a wonderful
example of why I don't believe anymore. To look across the vastness of the
universe and think that it's about humans is beyond silly.
Pride. Well named.
'Interesting that an article on the cause of aids comes out on the same day?' -
KM | 4:04 p.m. June 5, 2011 Actually, the article is about the
progress and hopeful cure for AIDS. But, I'm sure your just trying to paint
homosexuals carriers by association. Also, I would think EVERYONE
would want a cure for AIDS, as it factually affects everyone. My
example? Ryan White Brryan Jackson Magic Johnson, etc,
etc. And last, AIDS was discovered in 1981. If your trying to
say that gays have a direct relation to AIDS, how do you explain homosexuals
over 30 years old? I'm 33. :) 'Within this plan, there
are rules.' - jasonlivy | 4:04 p.m. Polygamy, legal until 1890. Interacial marriage, denied until 1967. Gay marriage, allowed 1st in MA
in 2004. So easy to forget Amendment 3, Utah, 2004. A change from
'two people' in marriage in Utah's state constituion, to 'one man and one
We who respect each other, serve the Lord. We who disparate hate, serve
A fun event on a beautiful day. Very nice.
I went there! So much fun! Kids, grannies, all flavors of people
were there. And it was fantastic to see people, on a nice day like this, just
being happy that we exist.
Nice to hear from the vocal minority again.
It's an interesting dichotomy between those who believe Sunday is a 'Holiday'
verses those who believe it's a 'Holy Day'.As for me and my house,
we will serve the Lord.We are all in the pursuit of happiness (or
pleasure which are not the same thing) in some form or another. I believe there
is a Plan of Happiness provided to us by a loving Heavenly Father. Within this
plan, there are rules. These rules must be followed strictly due to the laws
that govern the universe. Those that are broken will be followed by various
degrees of consequences whether they be right or wrong. These consequences may
be immediate or may develop over the longterm, but they will happen without a
doubt.We all have our own choices to make and I will not judge
others for their choices. "For they are free to choose..."
No question about it, it's the brightest, funniest, and most enthusiastic parade
of the year. So happy we can have this in our state.