Utah Jazz: Tyrone Corbin can't wait to get up-close look at draft prospects

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  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 20, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Shaybo: I'm pretty much OK with your thoughts, I was pushing for Kanter the last few days, because I didn't think we could get Williams and I also wasn't sure Williams could play the 3, I've changed my mind somewhat, Kanter didn't show for interviews with the Jazz, Bucks & Toronto, I don't like that, unless there is some good explanation, I think that is pretty classless. Williams wants to play the 3 from what I've heard and I think he has the quickness and speed to be able to do so. He will need to get used to playing on the perimeter but that shouldn't be that hard to adjust to.
    I'm not a big Knight or Walker fan, I'd like to learn more about Singleton, I'd love to see Bismark fall to 12 and have us pick him. Leonard would be OK but not at the 3 spot.
    Last yr I was certain we needed a PF, which we did need until the trade with Minn. and when we took Hayward I was initially bummed but later came to really like him.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    May 20, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    I have read dozens of comments since the Jazz moved up to #3 and not "1" of you have even mentioned other options the Jazz have with these two lottery picks. With rookies like Hayward, Favors, Evans and possibly the retention of Fess adding 2 more rookies to this team would definetly be too much youth on one team unless you want to wait for 3 years for returns. All of the players mentioned above are going to get playing time and I don't believe Corbin can find PT for everyone with Milsap, Jefferson, Harris, and Miles if they opt for his option and 2 more rooks on board. I believe O'Connor will shop the teams and possibly trade for experience or a future lottery pick or and money. I would because quite frankly this draft class is not as talented as others in previous years. Why just blow your windfall the same year you recieve it? Save, or invest wisely is my choice.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 20, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    Doesn't sound like Kanter wants to come to Utah. I think Williams would be a better fit in Utah anyway, and could produce sooner.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    The Kanter camp just blew off the Jazz for an interview, I don't think he'll come in for a workout. I really hope Kanter has an amazing workout at Minnesota so they pass on Williams.

    I wonder if Cle or Minn has any interest in Tomic, both teams need a center, if they do I think the Jazz should use him to move up and get Williams.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 20, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    CaptainL, Morris surprised me with his quickness and with his length I think he could close the perimeter and get a hand in the shooter's face. If they take Kanter they definitely need an outside shooter and I think he would be a good choice if Jimmer's not there at #12. If they end up with Williams and Jimmer is gone then you could go with a defensive player like Singleton or maybe even look to the future and go with Nogueira or Biyumbo.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 20, 2011 1:31 a.m.

    Shaybo: I agree,
    Morris looked pretty good, my question is can he play D against NBA 3's, if he can he would be a good choice if you can get him at 12, but I think I might take Jimmer at 12 if he's there. Singleton is another player I like, because of his athleticism and his defense, again I'd take Kanter at 3, and Jimmer at 12, unless there not available then Morris and Singleton would be definite possibilities.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 19, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    @ Winglish,

    You might be right that Jimmer shouldn't shine too much at the combine so that the Jazz can draft him at 12th. They'd really like to get some SF/PF/C help, and that might only come at the 3rd pick, if trades aren't possible.

    No need to waste one of the lottery picks, but I hope the Jazz don't miss out on him.

    If the Jazz don't get Jimmer, I'll certainly look into paying for the NBA package so I can see all of his games on the team that does get him.

    I'm usually averse to paying too much for such things, but this is The Jimmer! I need my fix!

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 19, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    It is unbelievable to me that a point guard that can neither go left or finish is the answer for the Jazz at the #3 pick, he would be a backup to Harris at best. It also tells me something that he and Walker refused to compete in the combine. I would go with Jimmer over either of them any day.

    3 players impressed me big time from watching the combine, they were Kanter, Morris and Singleton in that order. After watching I have done a 180 on Kanter, I now feel he is worth taking a chance on his knee holding up, he's an animal.

    At 6'6" and 7'2" wingspan and the ability to light it up from the outside and I think play some perimeter defense, Morris would be a great fit for the Jazz at 2 & 3 positions and with a respectable offensive game and the ability to guard 4 positions Singleton is very impressive.

    If Minnesota takes Williams the Jazz can't pass on Kanter.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 19, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    @ kylejeffreys,

    Sorry 'bout that mix-up on where Harris was an all-star. Sometimes us old fogies get the little details a-goof.

    And, STATS lie when you don't know the underpinnings behind them. So your stats on why Jimmer wasn't that good his senior year versus the rest of the NCAA don't hold water.

    @ Captain L,

    I'd agree with you on Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12, but ONLY if one could be sure Jimmer wouldn't go higher than 12.

    If you posters are old enough to remember when Stockton was drafted, you'll remember fans weren't too happy with that pick. He wasn't that highly touted. Couldn't shoot the 3.

    Driven people succeed. Stockton was driven, so is Jimmer. And Jimmer can already shoot the 3.

    If the Jazz pick any PG ahead of Jimmer, they'll be making a major mistake. None of the others are better than Harris, who's already experienced.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    May 19, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    Jimmer practically walked through the drills at the combine today. My guess is that he's been promised by a team in the top 10 and has been told to shut it down. He still shot the 3-ball better than any other guard there, of course. I wouldn't hold my breath for Jimmer to show everything he's got at the timed tests tomorrow.

    Derrick Williams shot 56% from 3 point land last year. If the T-Wolves do take Kanter, Williams might be exactly what the Jazz need at the small forward position.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    May 19, 2011 10:50 p.m.

    I really don't care about the Jazz anymore, but I love college hoops. When I saw the mock draft and they had Dukes Irving as number one I was in shock. The guy only played 11 games! Whoever picks him is crazy.
    As for all the Jimmer boosters...If Jimmer is not picked in the first round it is no way a bad reflection on BYU or its fans! Perhaps Jimmer fans should try thinging of him as an independant now!

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:10 p.m.


    4) A real Center. I would put this higher on the list but I don't think the Jazz can solve this in the draft or through free agency. Jefferson will have to do, but I would prefer Favors guarding whoever is the tougher low post matchup on a game by game basis.

    And by the way, Kyle Weaver not being on the team will not ever come back to haunt the Jazz. I root for him to stick on a roster next year, but I don't see it happening.

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    Maynor would be a decent 10-15 minute backup for us, just like he is in OKC. It's been done for a while, I thought we already moved on.

    We've got many needs, here is how I would rank them:

    1) A starter at 3. Millsap will be good off the bench backing up the 3 and 4 but he shouldn't be the starter there. Neither should Miles (if he comes back), he should be the primary backup for for Hayward. Williams, Leonard and Singleton come to mind.

    2) Shooting. Miles is streaky and Hayward is improving but they need more than that. I like Jimmer at 12 for that reason, not because I think he'll do what he did at BYU and become a star, but because he fills a serious need and could be a great role player.

    3) A back up PG. Watson was decent but we need a PG who is also a threat to shoot outside of 15 ft. I don't think Jimmer is the complete answer for the backup PG either. We could use a vet and Jimmer as a Jason Terry combo type.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    May 19, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    Hey all of you PG lovers, have you forgot about a kid that played pretty darn good in the short time he was with the Jazz last season, and his name is Kyle Weaver. What about him? Doesn't he deserve some consideration and or an invite to preseason camp? I believe he led us in scoring one night right? Forget about these freshman and small guards they just don't cut it in this league.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    May 19, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    I am presently watching tonights game between Okla City & Dallas. I have watched all of the playoff games and one thing I am sure of again tonight is who's idea was it to dump Maynor? This guy just gets the job done the right way for a backup PG, no flair, nothing spectacular just good solid playing. I wish he was still wearing a Jazz uniform and we wouldn't be talking about any issues at the point. Part of the coaching staff that just "quit" treated him like too many other rooks they have had over the years and that is a solid reason why to many years in one place like other professions (politicans anyone) is not a healthy situation for the most part. Oh well it's done and over with so lets move on.

  • Bigmommas-house Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    Lol. You don't want a guard because he wasn't top 100 in fg%. Go look up that list and I will guarantee you that not one pg is on that list that shot over 50 shots. Guys who are in the top 100 are guys who play close to the rim, not guards.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 19, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    At this point, I would take Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12, Kanter is big, tough, a good rebounder (somthing we need) and he has all the moves down low plus he can shoot the outside shot, range out to the 3 pt line. Watched him today at the combine, he's bigger, muscle wise than I thought.
    If the Jazz take Knight at the 3 spot, then we need Leonard, THarris, or Singleton at the 12 spot. Another player I would take at the 12 spot if he is available is Bismark Biyombo, his length and defense and potential definitely worth taking.
    The problem with Knight is he's a bit of a combo guard and they said today while watching the combine that his college coach (Patino), says he doesn't go left very well. He's a good jump shot shooter but not a high flyer that absorbs contact around the rim like a Rose or Wall and doesn't finish that well around the rim.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 19, 2011 6:09 p.m.

    Trade Harris for a SF...grab Knight at 3...and grab the best possible player at 12...i looked at some videos of lucas noguiera...when he swats the ball...he really swats it...he has very basic offensive skills...and i think he'll get bullied in the paint by the likes of dwight howard...

  • Synergizer Bunny North Salt Lake, UT
    May 19, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    I hope the Jazz get Jimmer. He's already a college Legend and could be one in the pros and it would be nice to see it happen with the Jazz. Jimmer is so good his name is already a verb. (You've been Jimmered.) I can't think of another college legend or NBA player whose name is a verb, can you? You got Jordan'd? You got Cobey'd? You got Larry'd? You got Magic'd. Doesn't seem to work for me. Maybe someday Jimmer will be officially in the dictionary?

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    May 19, 2011 5:21 p.m.

    One of the Jazz's two biggest needs is outside shooting to keep teams from packing the paint. Good outside shooting spreads the defense and opens up the middle for the bigs.
    The second urgent need is perimeter defense to stop teams from killing us from the 3 pt. line.
    Our biggest position need is small forward and we need a couple of those unless Milsap can convert.
    Point guard is another big concern because Harris doesn't seem to be a distributor or create for his team mates.
    These weaknesses can not all be corrected in this draft. With that in mind I like Williams (if he slides) or Knight with the third pick. If we get Williams then I would take Fredette with the second pick. He has the ability to spread the floor and he can be a good distributor. He has a good work ethic and he is very strong so I expect his defense to improve. I think Fredette would be a very solid pick at the #12. If we take Knight with the 3rd pick then I'd take the best small forward available with the # 12 pick.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 19, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Please, Jazz, do not draft Kyrie Irving. He will be just like Deron Williams. He will bide his time here, then will bail on us. Irving is already telling the NBA what he is going to do and what he is not going to do, aka his statement that he is not going to do certain thins at the conbine. Doesn't sound like a "team" player to me. Hopefully he is gone before #3.

  • kylejeffreys Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 5:06 p.m.


    Devin Harris was an All-Star reserve for New Jersey, not Dallas (2009...22 ppg and almost 7 assists). Harris' two remaining seasons in NJ saw a decline in points and an average increase in assists, and a huge roster shakeup with little surrounding talent (Lopez was all he had). The only thing you can reasonably extrapolate from Devin Harris' career with NJ is that he is not a franchise player. He can still be an All-Star and a major contributor on a contending team, but he is not a max-contract superstar.

    That said, we have a proven, lottery-picked PG who is blazing fast and knows how to pass. There is no reason the Jazz should not back him up and give him the shot he deserves to help the team get better. You have to give him the opportunity to fail before writing him off completely. He never failed in NJ. Makes no sense to replace him with a PG who didn't crack the top 100 in FG%, assists, assist to turnover ratio, or steals in his last year in college (Jimmer).

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    May 19, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    It now looks like the word is out on Kanter. Minnesota is making noises that they want him over Derrick Williams. The Jazz better have a backup plan. They have some nice pieces to a major trade. If Kanter doesn't fall, they could get an established player just like him elsewhere with the 3 pick (which would mean Williams) and a few other pieces of "dead wood". It looks like Jimmer is a fan favorite and would draw lots of fans at number 12.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 3:17 p.m.

    I just finished watching the NBA draft combine, only about 2 or 3 projected top 10 players participated, but one top player who did do all of the drills and looked fantastic was Enes Kanter. Chad Ford commented that he had the most impressive workout out of anyone there.

    Out of all the players at the combine Kanter was the biggest, he definitely passes the eye ball test. His body is NBA ready right now, all the other centers looked really skinny standing next to him. He was also much more athletic than I thought he was. I'm guessing he's going to test very well athletically tomorrow.

    In the 2 on 1 drill they did Kanter looked really good offensively and had a pretty good dunk on a guy as he was being fouled. Defensively he went for a pump fake and fouled the guy he was guarding but he went up high for the rebound and showed some good athleticism.

    Kanter looks legit and had some great dunks, if he's still there at #3 the Jazz are going to have a hard time passing him up.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    Jimmer was very crafty at the rim in college. It is a great skill. BUT in the NBA the players are quicker, faster and much bigger. Jimmer may be able to develop an NBA rim game. He is currently working on a floater mainly because the his shots that worked in college will not work in the NBA.

    Besides his Bball brains, Jimmers second major strength is his relentless adaptability. He will find a way to succeed. He will be good enough eventually at D and also adapt his offense to contribute.

    The big question is whether he is better than anyone else (for the Jazz) available at 12.

    I think Jimmer is worth the risk. He probably is better suited to teams with other styles of play. On the other hand, who else is available at 12 that would really help the Jazz?

  • Andy Tomasso Layton, UT
    May 19, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    How is jimmer not what the jazz need? Did anyone see Raja Bell last season, I cringed every time he took a shot. Teams left people open outside because they knew the shot would be missed. If jimmer is still available at 12 it would be stupid not to take him.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 19, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    I don't care what school Jimmer went to, his resume is exactly what this Jazz team needs. If the Jazz have a chance to pick up Jimmer, they should do it.

    Imagine if Jimmer went to Duke, NC, Syracuse, he would go number one over all, no question, but coming from BYU, he loses credibility because of the weak conference and weak teams he played against, but that does not mean he is not the best PG in the draft.

    Irving only played 11 games, and missed out on the majority of the season b/c of turf toe...seriously, turf toe! sounds familiar right? why gamble on him?

    Jimmer did not have other solid players around him to take attention away from him, he was always being double teamed, unlike,Irving, Walker, Knight, those guys had other players on their teams to help defer the attention.

    The way this roster is now, reminds me of how our roster was before we traded Girececk for Korver. Korver's shooting was an immediate upgrade and welcomed site, he help stretch the floor and it allowed our bigs to go to work down low.

    Take the best shooter available! Jimmer!

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 19, 2011 12:43 p.m.


    How does being among the career STEALS leaders at BYU equate to being a bad defender? Duh.


    Jimmer IS strong at the rim. I was constantly amazed at how he was able to finish in all kinds of fashions, including falling down, being knocked down, over or under tall players, etc. And he made many of those shots because he concentrates on doing so, not just letting go and hoping like so many NBA players do (watch the current playoffs!).

    Knight and Irving have yet to prove that they're unstoppable AND can lead a team. Jimmer can do both. His APPARENT inability to lead a team had a lot to do with who his teammates were and how Coach Rose used him.

    I also don't think Jimmer will take all that long to develop. He's a quick study.

    Another thought:

    Kemba's too slight to fare well as a PG in the NBA. The Jazz already have a slasher like him in Harris, anyway.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    May 19, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Here is the latest mock, Jimmer to Dallas because they play a zone....lol

    Kanter is a very skilled big man. The question other than his knees is how athletic is he? which will come out in testing.

    Here is the problem with this this years draft:

    1. Are any of the point guards better than or will be better than Harris? That is questionable. None of the point guards will start over Harris currently. Can Knight play some 2 guard?

    2. Kanter-can you say AL Jefferson? Is Kanter good enough to take Jefferson's position? not this year. Next??

    3. Williams makes some sense if he is there, I think he is more explosive than Paul. Is he a 3 or a 4? If he is a 4, we already have a small PF.

    4. If the Jazz go point or center, then someone needs to be traded away eventually. It would have been nice to have Barnes or Jones from Baylor as an option.

    The Jazz need to explore their options outside of the draft.......

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    May 19, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Kanter will not be useful, he is going to be dead space, we need not resign CJ or AK and trade Bell and possibly Harris and Okur because Okur will never be the same.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    The other decision that was not talked about is FA verses draft. It may be better for the Jazz to access and get known FAs at SF. They are good at evaluating existing talent and bad at the draft.

    They need a real SF and if AK goes it is an immediate need. Both Hayward and CJ are better at the SG position. They can back up the SF but the Jazz need a legitimate SF who can shoot and defend.

    Sloan played a lot of mismatches. The Jazz need to get the ideal (for the flex) starters for each position. AND they need a strong bench. Go look at the WP48 scores for the MAVS and the BULLS. Everyone contributes to winning. Further, they are more of a team and not dependent on one players. Dirk and Rose get a lot of points but are not as great on WP48 as most assume. It takes a well designed team.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    IF the Jazz go big at 3 I have no problem with Jimmer at 12.

    Jimmer is a shooter. He will improve his passing and develop his defense. I am assuming his speed time will be equal to DWill's and his agility test is better than CP3. Go look up Paul's agility test. Jimmer's strength is his Bball IQ, his understanding of how to attack a defense. Great PGs have that. They can be average on D, penetration and even shooting as long as they have the brains.

    Jimmer will take 2 years to develop. So will Knight. If you want to return to DWill,s skill set take Knight or Jimmer. If you want to keep Harris's style, save his salary and trade him for an SF then draft Kemba.

    If the Jazz go Knight or Kemba then they look at shooters and bigs at 12.

    Burks absolutely does not fit the Jazz. He is Brewer without the D.

    Leonard could be very good at SF IF he can improve his shooting. Morris from Kansas has to be looked at. Jimmer is still a shooter. Hamilton needs a look. Thompson is Korver2.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    If the Jazz go Knight or Kemba at 3 they are not likely to go Jimmer at 12. I personally do not think the Harris/Kemba style of PG is best suited to the Jazz offense. The inefficiency is a problem. The lack of ability to open up the inside is another problem. However, the biggest problem is that you do not want the PG to be the focal point of the Jazz offense. The PG in the flex has to get the ball to the bigs inside in the right spot at the right time. You CAN'T trade the efficiency of the bigs inside for the inefficiency of the poor shooting PG.

    Players in the past have not liked playing with Harris because HE is the focal point. His assists have to increase a lot. Watson runs the team well. If he could shoot he would be even more effective.

    That leaves the Jazz with Knight and Jimmer. Knight is young and unproven but if you look at his film he can penetrate just as well or better than Harris or Kemba and he is bigger. He also can defend well and shoots wells with range.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    May 19, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    The Jimmer Show made me a college basketball fan again. If the Jazz draft him and it doesnt work out, well, its not like ANY player taken in this years draft at 12 is a sure thing. The only problem is, most ute fans will be critical of him no matter how well he does, no matter what team he plays for.

    No one knows how he would fit in with the Jazz. Not even you, Papa Smurf aka Nostradamus. BYU/Jazz fans would love to see them try. Ute/Jazz fans just cant stomach having one of the best players in BYU history on 'their' team. Its ok, he wont be dropping 47 on your utes ever again.

    Its possible that Jimmer could help the Jazz. So Papa Smurf UTE, you are wrong, true Jazz fans want players that will help the Jazz win games. If that happens to be Jimmer and youre still bitter, then YOU are not a true Jazz fan.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    If the Jazz go small at 3 who do they pick. The first decision is PG verses SG.

    There are no SGs that are even close to a 3 pick and established players with known performance can be gotten in FA.

    The leave the PGs.

    The first decision is crucial. The Jazz have to decide the type of PG they want running the new Jazz. Do they want a scoring PG or a distributing PG (Watson)? Which type will run the team best? There are 2 types of scoring PGs. The penetrators and the shooters (DWill could do it all).

    Harris and Kemba are penetrators. To make matter worse they shoot a poor percentage. They do not open the inside with outside shooting. They become the focal point of the offense by driving in. Sometimes they dish but the bigs focus more on rebounding, a Jazz weakness.

    DWill could shoot and also penetrate but he tended to be more of a distributive shooter. Jimmer fits the mold better but he is not that strong at the rim. Knight and Irving can penetrate, shoot and distribute which is why most people are high on them. They are very young (risky).

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 19, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    The 3rd pick represents a cross roads for the Jazz. They have to decide:

    1. Which position to draft

    2. Which existing player is going to be replaced in the next year or two

    3. The best trade off between improving on court performance and reducing salary

    If the Jazz can get Williams, they will need to decide if he can play the SF or he will replace Millsap. Williams is not longer nor better than Millsap at PF. He is basically Scola with range. I like the range. The Jazz need an SF. He COULD be a killer SF OR too slow as he struggles to defend on the perimeter and is not that great on creating his own shot. His first step is average for PFs.

    If Kantor will not work out he will drop. That raises too many questions. Drafting Koufos without workouts was a mistake.

    Is there another big out there who is a major improvement over AJ/Millsap or one who could play SF well? Valanciunas deserves a work out. So does Vesley.

    What the Jazz do with the 3 determines what they do with the 12. If no big at 3?

  • tomo keystone heights, fl.
    May 19, 2011 11:33 a.m.

    2 trade scenarios: 1) AJ & # 3 to bucks for A. Borgut & their #10. We get an upgrade at center & still could get a pg/sg at 10..2) AJ for Paul Pierce & their 25th pick or avery bradley..PP still has 3 good yrs. left & could mentor the Jazzes 2's & 3's; also we might be able to pick norm smith at 25 or avery and we could use PP's $ for a quality FA once his contract runs out

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    May 19, 2011 11:17 a.m.

    Papa Smurf just said everything I wanted to say on Jimmer. I'm a long time BYU fan and I loved watching Jimmer's college game, but he's not what the Jazz need.

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    May 19, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Um Freddett did alone carry his team to the sweet 16, he did a lot but he alone didnt do it, someone needed to take the ball out of bounds for him.

    Everyone just settle down: people who don't like Jimmer relax and try and be objective the kid can flat out play basketball he will do well in the league.

    And to the people who love the Jimmer you all need to settle down he is not going to be the number 3 pick for the Jazz, he is a good player but you all act like the kids only weakness is Kryptonite.

    Give the kid credit we all know what he did for BYU basketball putting it back on the map, but lets be realistic it might take a season or two for him to find his place in NBA ball.

    I remember as a kid there was another BYU great that was supposed to be the next Larry Bird, and everyone was disappointed and suprised at how Michael Smiths basketball career turned out.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 19, 2011 11:00 a.m.


    We have seen Jimmer play, and real Jazz fans do not really want him. Not even for the 12th pick. Yes, he can shoot, and can shoot lights out some nights. Some nights he has to take 30 shots to get 30 points. All of this was done against crappy MWC teams, with no NBA talent at all guarding him. He also could not guard lower level college talent. If he was in the right situation on a team that played good D, a team like Boston or something, or a team where they had a good low post scoring big man, they could kick it out for him to shoot. Only the Byu fans, that are also Jazz fans want to see Jimmer drafted to the Jazz. Even the real Jazz fans that also cheer for Byu are very skeptical about drafting a slow PG, who cannot guard his own shadow. If the Jazz draft Jimmer, half of the fans will jump for joy, and the other half will riot.

  • aljmac Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 10:55 a.m.

    So, CougarBlue, you say that Fredette's team mates, none of whom are even being sniffed by the NBA, are as good as defenders as they are. Brilliant. Sounds like just what the Jazz need. Not.

    If the Jazz take Fredette, I pray it's because they genuinely think he's the best player at 12, not for some stunt to sell a few jerseys.

    I can't imagine he's the 12th best NBA prospect in the whole world today, but if he is, so be it. We should take the best player at that spot.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Re MGB:
    Defensive stats are often misleading, it's hard to quantify defensive effort, and great defenders make horrible defenders look decent statistically. Emery was a great perimeter defender and he made up for much of Jimmer's "defense". I'm so sick of Jimmer trolls trying to convince everyone that Jimmer was actually a good defender.

    The only valid argument I've heard by Jimmer trolls is that the reason why Jimmer's "defense" was so bad was because he wasn't asked to defend much at BYU so he could save his energy for the offense. But the fact still remains that while at BYU Jimmer's "defense" was horrible, atrocious, lackadaisical, and often non existent.

    Go back and watch some the games you probably recorded and just watch Jimmer play "defense" against the other team's worst perimeter player. The fact is that Jimmer was just so great on offense that fans just ignored his defensive deficiencies.

    I have a hard time believing that every single NBA scout, who makes a living evaluating players, is wrong about labeling Jimmer as a bad defender.

  • MGB Saint George, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    If anyone would take the time to check out all the year-end stats they would see that Jimmer's defensive stats are equal to all the other PGs in the draft. And he did it while playing all 40 minutes, scoring 10 more points per game and getting mugged with double and triple teams, and not much scoring support from other team members. He alone carried his team to the Sweet 16. Who else has done that? I am amazed at how inept people are at judgeing talent. He is the best PG in the draft.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:32 a.m.

    I would love to see either Cle or Minn take Kanter. Leaving Williams or Irving for the Jazz. If the Jazz get Williams I think its a good idea to take Jimmer. If the Jazz get Irving (somehow) or settle for Walker or Knight then of course taking Jimmer is not the best move.

    If the Jazz take a pg with the 3rd pick, any chance Kawhi drops to 12?

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    May 19, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Our big and real need is inside and perimeter defense. That is why Biyombo would be my pick in the draft as one inside player that defends. He can be had by trading down a few spots or make a deal with a team that is there now and draft for them at #3, and us getting a player from them or a future pick. Next go get Chris Wilcox or Jonas Jerebko who are FA's with Det and both 6'10" and rugged give it all inside players who can be signed for moderate amounts. Next 3 wing players who are FA's that would be great are Thornton from GS 6'7", Marcus Thornton from Sac 6'4", & Shannon Brown from the Lakers 6'3". All 3 are good shooters and can put the ball on the floor, plus defend the perimeter. With the 12 pk again trade for exp, a future pk, or fill a need! Be smart Jazz and don't let biases get in your way like past staffs have.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    TJ- This is a rare event. I agree with you.

  • Chickenhunter Provo, Ut
    May 19, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    I was SO excited to see the Jazz move up to number three! Now they might just get lucky enough to get Jimmer! If the Cavs and the wolves get fooled into taking Erving and Williams, then Jimmer will fall to us! I can't tell you how incredible this is. Even utes will come around to loving the Jimmer once they see him play.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 19, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    I have been a little bit of a critic of the Jazz drafting Fredette but I have come around to thinking if the Jazz pick a big man with the #3 pick that Jimmer would be a good option at 12. He is the best outside shooter in the draft(NBA ready)and the Jazz need that badly. Those who know(draft experts and anlaysts) say that his defense is as good as any projected first round point guard in the draft. This is partially proven by the fact that the people he guarded in college did not average more while playing BYU than their season averages. Their assist to turn over average was not any better against BYU either. If Fredette is on a solid defensive NBA team he will hold his own against most point guards. That is as much as can be said of 75% of starting NBA point guards. He demands a defensive adjustment the second he comes into a game. Teams have to spread their defense to guard him. Kerr and Hodges did this in the NBA for years and neither of them were able to drive or create even close to what Fredette can.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    I heard Kanter isn't willing to play against anyone during his team workouts. If that's the case the Jazz need to give him a pass at #3.

    The Jazz need competitors not workout all stars.

    Nobody in the draft could benefit more from a great team workout against stiff competition than Enes Kanter, if he dominates, he could go #1. This decision tells me one of 2 things: he and his agent are trying to hide serious flaws in his game and or health, or he's not a competitor, he's just in it for the paycheck.

    If I'm the Jazz and Kanter refuses to compete I'm thinking he's the next Darko.

    A guy who hasn't played competitive basketball in 2 years and refuses to play it now has no business going top 5 in the NBA draft.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 19, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    @ myvision7 & @ one day,

    No way Knight is better than Jimmer or CJ better than Hayward in those spots.

    Otherwise, we're similar.

    Harris can't run a team in a way that will make the other players better. He proved that with Dallas, too (his all-star year). Shoot first, ask questions later.

    Jimmer doesn't have to score all the time to be happy. It's just his range that makes him a tough threat to guard, which will do wonders for his assists in the NBA on a team with players that can score, and the Jazz have those.

    Jimmer will show in the combine that he's more athletic than given credit for.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    All the Jimmer talk, the article is not about him. He will be fine in the league WHOEVER gets him. There is an upside he enjoys many already playing do not.

    Kyle Korver only knows you shoot the ball, he cannot dribble, or pass and he makes 5 million per season, and Jimmer can dribble, pass, shoot and he can get to the free throw line. He may not start but he will play.

    Seems as there is no suspense left in the Utah draft either Kanter or Williams or if they wanted to add some suspense they could talk trading away the 3rd pick. Kanter is not going to help the Jazz, he has the same build and make up as Koufos who was popular when he arived but spent his playing days on the bench (where he belonged)

    Williams is athletic enough to help in a year or two. Trading for a FA big would make better sense than trying to bring along a rookie, but that has not historically been the way of the Jazz.

  • Viva Los Jazz Garland, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    I'd love to see Enes Kanter slide to number 3 but either Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving would be fine. I don't want to overlook Bismack Biyombo and would consider trading down to get him. Jimmer should be available at 12 but could slide late in the first round depending on workouts.
    1. Kanter
    2. Kyrie Irving
    3. Derrick Williams
    4. Bismack Biyombo
    5. Brandon Knight
    12. Jimmer

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    I'm a Ute Alum, and the Jimmer crazies are starting to drive me nuts, but here is my objective opinion on Jimmer.

    Best case scenario Jimmer is a Steve Kerr type of player, a guy who can come off the bench, space the floor and knock down 3s. In the right situation he could get 20-25 min a night and be a great asset.

    Worst case scenario is that he's Adam Morrison or a more hyped up version of Morris Almond. Morrison could light it up from outside and and was crazy crafty around the rim in college too, but like Jimmer his defense was as bad as his offense was great.

    Jimmer's shot will translate in the NBA, but his horrid defense will translate too. Jimmer will need to be accounted for when he's on the floor, but he will be a big liability on the defensive end. People who are bad defenders in college will be bad defenders in the NBA too.

    I hope the Jazz pass on Jimmer, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if they pick him at 12.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:25 a.m.

    There's no point putting Brandon Knight's picture on the article. The diminutive guard will not be drafted by the Jazz. That's some ESPN analyst's dream in the hope that the Jazz will blow their third pick so a good player will go to someone else. The Jazz will pick either Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter. Jimmer will likely fall to a low first round pick or early second round. The Jazz will not pick him up either.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    May 19, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    This Jimmer thing is getting out of control. And with him no longer being a BYU player, the rivalry should be put aside, and fans can start looking at him as an NBA player, not a BYU Cougar.

    Jimmer is a combo guard, off the bench. He will not be a long-term starter in the NBA. Doesn't have the size or speed. But he can be a solid contributor off the bench, spot duty starting if needed. He can score the ball. Will it be as easy as it was in college, not by a long shot. But he's got terrific range outside, and is crafty enough to get shots off in the paint.

    A guy who can find a nitch can stick around for a long time. A guy like Jason Terry just wasn't suited to start full-time. He's better off the bench, taking advantage of a teams backups most of the game. Jimmer can be that guy.

    And this has nothing to do with being a Ute or Cougar. If he's there at #12, and Burks is not, the Jazz should seriously consider him.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    May 19, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    Why does an article about top draft picks feature a picture of a late 1st rounder? Myopic coug fans, it is not Utes that discount Jimmer's value to the NBA, it is trained professionals whose careers depend on their judgement calls.

    Fortunately I believe that KOC is too savy to succomb to the y and DN constant PR campaign.

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    May 19, 2011 7:01 a.m.

    People that dont know much about Jimmer that didnt watch more than a couple games and that want to throw out something negative, will always say... "he's too much of a defensive liability".

    OK, people... Jimmer is NOT a defensive "liability". Jimmer is a lot faster and has better lateral movement than a lot of the fans of the team on the hill want to give him credit for. Sure he got burned a few times, DWill got burned all the time. Fact is, the NBA is catered to the offensive player. Basketball in general is catered to the offensive player. Pretty much any top 25 pg can make another top 25 pg look silly at any given time. Its going to happen and Jimmer is going to be fine on D.

    The best shooter in the draft with killer instinct (ute fans should know this).

    Whether the Jazz draft Jimmer or not, ute fans are going to criticize his every move. I still hope we get him.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    May 19, 2011 6:12 a.m.

    mmmmm....what about this one

    C: Big Al - "New Guy" - Memo (he is getting old and slow)

    PF: Favors - Millsap

    SF: "New Guy" - AK

    SG: Hayward - Evans

    PG: Brandon Knight - Watson - Harris

    TRADE: CJ, Elson, Price, Fez, Bell and Okur if possible

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    May 19, 2011 5:16 a.m.

    MYvision you are a little mypopic when it comes to Jimmer. He will guard okay. People will be surprised at how well he can guard. He played his role well at BYU, but fellow players say he can guard as well as any of them. You must be a Ute Troll.

  • ER in EUR Belgrade, Serbia
    May 19, 2011 4:44 a.m.

    Wow, interesting Derrick Williams was not invited. heheheh

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 19, 2011 3:10 a.m.

    talk about dreaming...well...here's mine....

    Al Jeff/Memo/Fes
    Battier(free agent)/AK47/CJ
    Knight/Watson/Barea or Dragic (both free agents)

    Trade Devin+12th pick for a lotto next year...so we could have to top 10 drafts on a much deeper draft...battier would take charge developing Hayward's defense...next year...Perry Jones or Harrison Barnes to start at the 3 or if we get lucky...a guy named Sullinger...

  • myvision7 Golden, CO
    May 19, 2011 1:00 a.m.

    Wow, that lineup sounds good enough for 4th in the division. Here is what I would like to see:

    C: 1. Big Al, 2. Memo, 3. Fez or Ante Tomic (anyone know if/when he is coming over).

    PF: 1. Millsap, 2. Favors

    SF: 1. AK (only if we can get him back under 10M, 2. Kawhi Leonard or Chris Singleton (whomever is available in the draft)

    SG: 1. CJ Miles 2. Hayward 3. Raja Bell

    PG: 1. Devin Harris, 2. Brandon Knight, 3. Earl Watson

    I am praying above all else that we do not draft Jimmer. Would be the worst decision. Yes he can shoot but he is such a defensive liability. The Jazz perimeter defense was so bad last year why would we draft a perimeter player that can't play defense.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    My dream Jazz team for 2011 ("dream" meaning realistic short of a major trade):

    C = Big Al.

    He plays all facets well enough. Can at least score against other good bigs.

    Memo or Fez is the backup.

    Wouldn't hurt to find another, though. None worth chancing on in the draft, at least at the 3 spot.

    PF = Favors.

    Let him continue to grow with starter minutes.

    Millsap would be a sweet backup.

    SF = AK for now (re-sign him!)

    Have Miles and/or Millsap back him up.

    Maybe a decent SF is in this year's draft? Not so sure.

    SG = Hayward. De facto choice after his late-year showing.

    Miles could get more time backing him up. Or Bell.

    PG = Jimmer. Who else?

    Watson is still the best backup for a Jazz PG.

    Harris can just be traded, maybe for a Center. Or, he can stick around as starting PG while Jimmer gets accustomed to the NBA. Mid-season trade in the works?

    Bench = The rest are bench warmers or injury replacements, although I can see Evans getting playing time. If he could develop an outside game, he could be the SF the Jazz need.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 18, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    Would love to be in Corbin's shoes. Not so I could help to draft The Jimmer, but because Ty will be like a kid in a candy store. What fun times are ahead for the Jazz coach. I'm envious.

    Because this is a pretty weak draft, it's a good thing the Jazz have the 3rd pick. Won't be much of long-term value left by the 6th.

    The Jazz 12th pick will be equivalent to most years' second round picks in quality. The Jazz have been lucky some of those years, so maybe the 12th can pan out, too. The third certainly should, or they didn't do their homework.