'Smart' immigration reform would create more American jobs, speaker says

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  • SLars Provo, UT
    May 6, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    We let in 2.4 million people legally the past two years. We did not create 2.4 million new jobs, did we? If their ideas had merit, there would be no unemployment, as people out of work would be able to create new jobs.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 5, 2011 5:56 p.m.

    One wonders who in this group is involved with Human trafficking and the smuggling of migrants?

  • evensteven Sandy, UT
    May 5, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    Just another story of obfuscate the issue and paint those opposed to illegal immigration as opposed to all immigration. As soon as I read that Shurtleff was on the panel, I knew it was a puppet show.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Those here illegally working have a job because they will take less than a citizen. If you make them legal, the business owners will just fire them and hire newly arrived illegal immigrants.

    We have unlimited agriculture visas, but business will not use them because they have to provide housing and medical care. Requiring business to live up to those responsibilities is compassion, yet the "compassion" folks ignore that obvious solution.

    You can't reward illegal behavior, it will just encourage more. Those that come for the jobs were temp workers, the jobs are gone, and it's time for them to leave. It's the only acceptable option that is fair to everyone.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    I think this is a pretty reasonable plan. A firm and secure border is essential if we have to use the National guard. One this is in place then we process illegals here. Probably most should be allowed to stay, but not felons.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    May 5, 2011 12:54 p.m.


    Are you suggesting that we should stop trying to enforce our laws or that it's too idealistic a notion that we believe in the rule of law? I really don't understand your point.

    Its the same type of government entities that bailed out Wall Street that are also attempting to bail out illegals. They are people that are subservient to special interests instead of those that elected them into office. It needs to change and we the people have the power to change it. I can only hope that the Dnews is not successful in its amnesty for illegals campaign and that come 2012 we have many more Bob Bennett moments to celebrate.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    May 5, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    I can understand why Marriott would allow his name to be associated with this group. After all, paying chamber maids and busboys as little as possible is the name of the game.
    But Mike Winder? I suddenly lost a great deal of respect for him. Sure WVC has a high Hispanic population, but I thought he was above "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    May 5, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    I think that these so called citizens of the United States are either stupid or uncaring. Probably they are both. These people being quoted in this Newspaper Article do not know what illegal immigration has done to the middle class, nor do the care. Their pockets are lined and are pockets are empty.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    May 5, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    This is so ridiculous it is laughable and I must say I am not surprised in the least to see Shurtleff in the middle of it somewhere. Why don't you start in the construction industry and ask all the Americans who used to work in that industry how many jobs they think "immigrants have created"? Then ask kids who can't get a job at a fast food place about the huge surplus of jobs there. No one says anything about the fact that these wonderful immigrants are bankrupting hospitals, school systems, and state treasuries wherever they go. I can't believe this article even made it into print but then again, it is absolutely in line with the DN amnesty campaign. Everyone who is yelling "amnesty" on HB116 and every other silly similar proposal is doing us all a great public service, they are calling it what it is and pulling it out from behind the rock that all these people are trying to hide it behind.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    Mayor Bloomberg is a open border advocate for the US chamber of commerce. Their intention is to keep the country flooded with low income workers.

    We have over a million people coming here legally each year. Some are already highly skilled. But we have highly skilled workers already in this country out of work.

    Business has flooded the low skilled workers in this country for years through illegal immigration. It's reduced everyone wages. Now they want to flood the high skilled positions and do the same to them.

    This countries biggest enemy is us if we don't start speaking up and demand laws be enforced.

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    "In the United States of America we DO NOT reward lawbreakers."

    What United States of America are you living in? What do you think happened when we bailed out Wall Street? All those people who had been engaged in shady and illegal business practices got a free ticket. Our society is all about rewarding people who find ways to break the rules.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:30 a.m.

    Thank you, Nina.
    To quote Dr. Barry Chiswick, Economics Professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago...
    "Australia, Canada, and New Zealand have very successful skill-based immigration policies where the primary question for applicants is, What are your skill levels? How well will you integrate into the economy?

    "Our immigration policy is based on the question, To whom are you related? And can you successfully enter the county illegally? Those are the two primary determinants of who gets an immigration visa."

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    The dude from Bloomberg is right...The Illegals create Jobs here in America....JOBS for ICE, Border Patrol, Police Officers....we just can't get the Govt to enforce the laws that would allow these workers to do the job Americans want them to do!

    Throw Obama, Herbert and the Amnesty crowd out of office!

  • Nina Naples, FL
    May 5, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Doug10, you are mistaken to believe advanced degrees lead to green cards. There are only three ways to get green cards - sponsorship by a relative, sponsorship by an employer or an investment of 1/2 million dollars that creates 10 or more jobs.

    There is no fast track for smaller investors, in fact, there's no track at all!

    I bought a small business in order to live and work here (E2 visa). I employ 11 U.S. citizens, but I and my family can NEVER become citizens. If my business fails or I want to retire, my family and I have to leave. Our lives are full of uncertainty and we cannot plan our future.

    America needs a points system like most other developed countries for immigration. If you are healthy, educated, skilled, experienced, have no criminal record, can support yourself etc., you get points. A certain number of points gets you in, not the fact that you happen to have a relative here any may never even contribute to the economy.

    Americans say they welcome legal immigrants, but it's almost impossible to immigrate here legally. That's why you have such a massive illegal alien problem.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 5, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    John C C, please do not attempt to suggest that immigration can save Social Security.

    Massive immigration levels since 1980 and the effect of their US-born dependents only changes the dependency ratio (workers vs. beneficiaries) by 3 tenths of one percent.

    Even the Census Bureau in their Working Paper #38 explains it is mathematically impossible to do so.

    Why? Well, immigrants come here as adults, have children and work in low-income jobs. And everyone grows older.

    The Earnings Suspense File cannot begin to save Social Security, so illegal aliens are no help either.

    But, torture the numbers and theyll confess to anything.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    May 5, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    "People believe immigrants are taking jobs right now. But we can change that."

    You are absolutely correct. We CAN change that. It is illegal to be in our country illegally. Let's start right there, and keep all illegals out of the USA and deport those who have sneaked their way in illegally.

    It isn't rocket science, it is a pretty simple solution actually.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 5, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    Green card for advanced degrees, fast track for those with business and capital...sounds like the existing law to immigrate to USA.

    There are plenty of people from other countries who already qualify but are now waiting becasue they didn't break the lawy and come here illegally.

    Pakistan harbored bin laden, in Utah we harbor other criminals, those that break the law in getting here and our jails are full of others who continue to break it once they are here.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    May 5, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Most unskilled laborers who come to the US usually take jobs in different sectors than those filled by unskilled US citizens. For the few jobs they do take away from unskilled US workers, they create even more jobs in two ways:

    1. Their and their families' spending stimulates our economy. Even the money they send back home helps them become bigger consumers of US exports.

    2. They need management. Every new crew of blue-collar guest workers creates job openings for white-collar management and support.

    The more people we can put to work, the better. Guest workers provide a ready supply of workers who don't require that we put them through elementary and secondary schools first. If they choose to raise children here, we finally have a partial solution to the looming disaster awaiting Social Security. Their children fill the void of working citizen contributors that we baby boomers failed to raise.

    Win. Win. Win. We win, the guest workers win, and their native countries win. That's the beauty of allowing the free flow of labor to follow supply and demand.

    We will make compassion legal again.

  • C. Darwin Sandy, UT
    May 5, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    This story is just that: a story. I have lost my job to illegal alien invaiders and what work I can get is at 1980 wage scale. Welcome to the construction industry and the impact of illegal immigration.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    May 5, 2011 2:28 a.m.

    "The second you start talking about people start yelling amnesty and the debate shuts down."

    There is no debate here. That is what is so frustrating. In the United States of America we DO NOT reward lawbreakers. That is what third world countries do and that is why they are generally run by a corrupt government and their population languishes in poverty.
    I wonder how many immigrants trying to do it the legal way would absolutely love the sweetheart deal the Utah government and the special interest "string pullers" are trying to give to its predominantly hispanic in-state illegals. 2500 dollars and this special class of people get to stay indefinitely with a "get out of jail free" card. I've said it many times, HB116 is institutional racism, providing favor to one class and race of people over all others.
    These so called "heavy hitters" are completely detached from reality. They want a debate but they are so far left of where the country is that it is a complete non-starter. Obviously it will take a defeat at the polls before they get a clue.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    May 4, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    One only needs to study the impact of our immigration policy from 1924 to 1965 to understand that we CAN bring job creators into our economy and create a favorable situation in the process.
    But it does not follow that importing needy people from the third world whose main qualification is that they are related to someone already here is a good idea.
    A tight labor market will raise wages and benefit our own citizens. Flooding the market with immigrants and illegal aliens will suppress wages. (Note: Who does this expert represent?)
    There are some good sources for information on economic impact.
    George Borjas, "Still the Golden Door" and Vernon Briggs, "A Rogue Labor Market Policy."

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    May 4, 2011 9:05 p.m.

    The only way foreigners should be brought into the US on work visas is if it can be shown that they fit some niche that is presently not being served, that they are paid at or above the average wage that would be given to a US citizen or resident, and that the foreigner will not be dependent on the US Government. In other words, businesses should not look at foreign workers as cheap labor and undercut the wages of legal citizens and residents. If a business can't survive in the US under our existing wages, then it is likely to be a business we can do without.