LDS apostles sought truth in science and religion

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  • Teaguer West Valley City, UT
    Aug. 22, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    Not that I know tons concerning science and religion, but I have been reading the works of Talmage and Widtsoe, most recently Widtsoe's Joseph Smith As Scientist, which compares the teachings of Joseph Smith with science. I believe that some day we will find a way to unite science and religion. Science holds many truths, as CWJ said, and those truths can work together with religion.

  • sfcretdennis Nice, CA
    May 2, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    Lets not forget what the Bible teaches we are thought that 1,000 years on earth = 1 day in heaven.

    As fair as Science is concerned well all humanity is doing is trying to understand the science of God and as mortals we well get something right and most things wrong. God is perfect we are not.

    Religion is all about faith, science is not, it all comes down to is what one chooses to believe.

  • Jeffrey Wilbur Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 30, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." ~Albert Einstein

    True religion is the study of the soul, the intangible philosophy. True science is the study of the universe, the tangible reality. When the truths uncovered by both come together, it is truly a beautiful sight to behold.

    I believe we have a serious dilemma in the world today, perpetrated by members of both groups. All too often, religious people place their faith on the unimportant details, interpreting literally events which are intended to be interpreted figuratively, and this puts them at odds with scientific truth. At the same time, many scientists refuse to accept anything which cannot be empirically proven, and disregard anything philosophical, including the idea of God.

    So the members of both groups all too often wage war on the other. The religious for fear of losing their faith; the scientist for fear of finding his.

    It's sad, because Truth is Truth, and should be sought for in all forms. If something is true, it should be embraced, and if it is false, it should be cast aside, regardless of the medium through which it is presented.

  • Allen Salt Lake valley, UT
    April 29, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    @the truth

    "If God can create fine spiritual matter first, then why would God need to follow a laborious and IMPERFECT method for physical creation?

    Why would he bother?"

    Because that is the way mortal matter works. God follows the natural laws that govern mortal matter.

    Yes, God decreed that plants and animals would reproduce after their own kind, and scientists agree with that. But, it is a known and observable fact that changes (mutations) do occur in the DNA of offspring, and those changes can lead to changes in the offspring, over time. Plants and animals reproduce after their kind until mutations occur.

    In contrast with a literal interpretation of the time-line given in Genesis, there is good evidence that humanoids have lived on earth for a million years or more. Either the time-line of Genesis is a metaphor and is not to be taken literally, or Adam and Eve were the first humans in some way other than existence. I personally believe they were the first to receive the Gospel and to make covenants with God. There is too much evidence to show they were not the first humans to exist.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    RE: LDS Aerospace Engineer

    Utah Mormons today have NO tendency to deny Science.

    Thy do haveA tendency to call into question absurb and ridiculous theories that so-called science triesTo pass off as fact, like evolution and man-made global warming.

    NO God capable of all the miracles he can perform, who is omniscient and omnipotent, would hve any need to bother with any sort of ridiculous notion of evolution.

    All things were created spiritually first, then physically.

    If God can create fine spiritual matter first, then why would God need to follow a laborious and IMPERFECT method for physical creation?

    Why would he bother?

    More over, all things, God has decreed, to reproduce after there own kind, and in there own sphere.

    While some parts of evolutionary science have shown how we get variation of species and kind,

    You must go into science fanstasy of may haves, could haves, invented possiblilities, guesses, assumptions and suppostions, forcedFit fossils, assumed relationships, make-up branches, all to satisfy a theory,

    it lacks any scientific fact, and relies on absurb stretching.

    Any rejection of good science, is never based onThe scriptures, or on true and undefiled religion, but on beliefs of men.

  • CWJ Layton, UT
    April 29, 2011 4:01 p.m.

    I am not involved in the sciences, but being LDS, and of what I hope is an open mind, I am more and more inclined to believe that the theories of the Big Bang and evolution do has merit to them. While I believed they have some glaring flaws due to mans limited capacity to truly understand something as magnificant as the creation, I don't discount that certain aspects of each theory hold true and consistant with LDS doctrine.

    How I would love to have been able to see what Moses and Abraham saw in regards to the creation. I bet if we as LDS could see what they saw, we would be severely disappointed because it would go against everything we've held as 'true' for a long time.

    We're taught that Jehova took of 'these materials' and made an earth where on we may dwell, but this process had to have happened over millions if not billions of years. Things had to evolve to a certain extend just like taking yeast, flour, water, sugar, and heat will eventually morph into a loaf of bread. Everything in its proper order.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 29, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    The University of Utah is pursuing affiliation with the Association of American Universities (AAU) a distinquished group of 63 American universities that have reached high levels of academic accomplishment and research. AAU membership is granted by invitation only. Dr. Henry B. Eyring and Elders Talmage and Widsoe would be proud.

  • LDS Aerospace Engineer Farmington, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Be careful,

    Utah Mormons today tend to deny Science, and ridicule those of us who learn, study and understand it.