As Young moves to Washington, can he help pull U. into an elite club?

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  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    April 29, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    well i think the U is a darn fine institution :D

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 29, 2011 12:54 p.m.


    The ACLU exists to defend all whose civil liberties are threatened and that includes members of the LDS Church. Outside Utah, members of the LDS Church have been defended by the ACLU when their religious freedom has been infringed upon. The ACLU will tend to take on issues important to its membership. If that membership includes a large contingency of LDS members, the organization could be made to change its focus and actually become an ally to the Church. I think that is what President Young is advocating.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 28, 2011 5:17 p.m.


    I have absolutely no problem in religious freedom issues. I do have a problem with individuals that encourage me and others to join the ACLU.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 28, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    Continued: Our capacity to stem the tide, to raise the alarm and do what we need to do for our church, but also for people everywhere, is important, Young told a crowd of about 200 conference-goers.

    Young is absolutely correct in asserting that zoning boards and city councils can make decisions that impinge on religion. Across the country city councils are trying to pass and have passed ordinances prohibiting missionaries from going door to door. Many home owner associations prohibit door to door soliciting. The church has to be vigilant in order to protect the right to do missionary work. How can you argue with Youngs statement, to raise the alarm and do what we need to do for our church?

    That statement doesnt sound to me that Pres. Young has been leading the U down the primrose path. He sounds like a patriot and a defender of religious freedom like those in the Book of Mormon.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 28, 2011 3:18 p.m.


    I am not a member of the ACLU and I do not agree with about 90% of what the ACLU argues in cases that it brings to court. My precious Pres. Young went a little over the top when he admonished all Mormons to join the ACLU. Here is a report from the meeting held at BYU:

    In his keynote address, Young, detailed what he sees as attacks on religious freedoms and called for individual LDS Church members to pay attention. Often, he noted, its zoning boards or city councils that make decisions that impinge on religious liberties. Continued

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    Stockton, riiiiiiight and as a founding member of Scholar for 911 truth he was attributed with the following comment in a mainstream media interview:

    " the attacks were "an 'inside job', puppeteered by the neoconservatives in the White House to justify the occupation of oil-rich Arab countries, inflate military spending, and expand Israel."

    That doesn't sound like a theory to me, sounds more like a anti government agenda, something Timothy Mcveigh would have been proud to say....

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Not funny at all Dutchman. Your precious President Young recommends that we all to tote ACLU cards.

    What am I supposed to do when the ACLU is on the opposite side of most issues?

    I guess I'm opposed to what most bleeding heart liberals embrace in the ACLU and I have little in common with ACLU believers.

    Shaping the University around what a few of these people believe in is not necessarily what most people would prefer.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    April 28, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    I looked and Looked and looked and looked and I couldn't find anything in this article about BYU so why does the BYU and Utah rivalry have to come up in the posts. Both are great Universities each with their own strengths, lets celebrate those, ones successes have nothing to do with putting down the other. Get a life!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 28, 2011 1:32 p.m.


    Your fixation with the ACLU is funny but you still won't answer the question of how many ACLU attorneys graduate from the BYU Law School yet you continue to denegrate the U because you suppose that the ACLU runs the school or something. As I wrote, I know of at least two past directors of the ACLU for Utah that graduated from the BYU Law School. Here is a short bio on one of them: Dani Eyer has lived in Utah for over thirty years and received a B.A. in political science and law degree from Brigham Young University. She has been a high school civics teacher, a trial lawyer, owned and operated an independent bookstore in Utah County, and for five years was executive director of the American Civil Liberties (ACLU) of Utah.

    Naked Truth,

    I got my education at BYU and back in those days the campus was my world. Seeking AAU status has nothing to do with going the ways of the world. It is working with like minded schools to seek knowlege and light. Remember, "The Glory of God is Intelligence".

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Having been an Army Engineer Officer for over 25 years and having worked extensively in research and in combat with both thermite and various High explosives. I can only say that Steven Jones proposed a theory wherein there is some degree of a possibility of a certain portion of the cause of the collapse of the WTC towers may have been by something other than from the heat of the burning fuel onboard. Thermite being the subject. A thirmite grenade can burn through 6 inches of Homogeneous steel in less than 2.5 to 3 minutes...easily. It wouldn't have taken a whole lot of concentrated effort to have stategically placed a relative small amount of thermite in various configurations to have facilitated what did happen at the WTC.
    However to make a point... your selection of his theory and the public reaction to it is a far cry from claiming that a device funded and built at the University of Utah actually did function and that Cold Fusion was achieved...only to not be able to reproduce the results later upon investigation. There's quite a huge difference in your propostion between the two subjects.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 28, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Re: Dutchman

    You interpret "The World is Our Campus" to mean that BYU strongly desires to be accepted of the world? Hurry Quick! It may not be too late to seek a refund on that education of yours!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 28, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Is the ACLU one of those organizations that my bishop and the Book of Mormon warns about?

  • milhouse Atlanta, GA
    April 28, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    Utah's inclusion in the AAU would make a certain amount of sense, but this is an organization that moves at a glacial pace. Georgia Tech only joined in 2010, in spite of being in the top ten of best public universities for several decades. All of GT's graduate engineering programs are ranked in the top ten internationally; Utah has nothing comparable.

    I think being in the Pac-12 will help Utah's case and develop its programs, but nobody should hold their breath.

  • Chris B's momma Idaho Falls, ID
    April 28, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    My son plays AAU basketball. He's in the 7th grade league. I think they could have beat u last year!

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 28, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Wow the brown shirt censors are out in force today, I love how Stockton can bring up Pons in attempt to disparage the U's accademic credibility but if I mention Steven E. Jones it gets censored.

    Before you start casting stones you better take a close look at your own house, BYU has it's own legacy of whack jobs, if you don't beleive me google the above name.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    Sorry VegasBart. Meant to direct that last commentof mine to The Dutchman. My Bad...I was laughing too hard about his ACLU comment....sorry!!!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    Oh crack me up...You use the ACLU as a measurement of creditbility...Wow...Now I've heard everything... I'll quote Collin Cowherd in his response to a caller who was trying to portrey golf as the last sport where someone can lose and be a gentleman about it. "Blah...blah...blah...nobody cares!!!" The ACLU has a horrific win to loss ratio. People join them for only one attempt to make a name for themselves...usually from a single case. They wait and wait like a bunch of hungry vultures just to try and get their hands on that once in a lifetime case. To make headlines. That's your measurement of research success??? Do you really think that kind of rational is going to buy the University a membership in the AAU. You had a much better chance with The Cold Fusion angle before that blew up in your faces.

  • VegasBart N. Las Vegas, NV
    April 28, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Why can't a school, any school, get to the
    "promised land" on it's own merits? What's wrong with this picture?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 28, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    No MWC school is a member of AAU. All of the schools in the Big 10+2 are members of AAU including new member Nebraska. Since the PAC 12 and Big 10+2 conferences are closely associated in every way I would think that the other PAC 12 schools would want and encourage AAU membership for Utah. Arizona received AAU membership six years after joining the PAC 10. I predict Utah will get an AAU invite in six years or less.


    "Oh the desire to be accepted by the World". There is a big sign at the entrance of BYU that reads, "The World is Our Campus". Please go and enjoy your little world.


    Please do some research and report here how many grads of the J. Rueben Clark law school at BYU are members of the ACLU and how many have served as directors of the ACLU for Utah. I know of at least two previous directors of the ACLU for Utah that graduated from the J. Rueben Clark law school.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 28, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    university of utah???...Research Giant???...Oh yeah...the ones who gave us Cold Fusion. Remember back in 1991 when the world ended it's dependency on Fossil fuels. The ones who made it possible for us to go to Warp Drive in our Hummers. Some (supposedly) top researchers i.e. Stanley Pons of u of u and some guy from Great Britain named Martin Fleischman. They've got to right up there at the head of Utah's list of top researchers and will undoubtedly ensure the u of being welcomed into the club.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 28, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    I think the AAU is the perfect place for the U to play basketball.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    Oh the desire to be accepted by the World.

    Utah once again begging to belong to a "Group". A very liberal, socialistic minded group at that.

    Like the insecure 7th grader, doing just abut anything to "Belong".

    Sad and Pathetic. Akin to Hollywoods weekly award shows.

    Some stand on their own merits and priciples, while others dig the Group-Think.

    Followers vs Leaders......Utah follows, BYU leads.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 28, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    As soon as you get your ACLU membership to 75% then Mr. Young will put in a 'good' word for your little school.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 28, 2011 1:12 a.m.


    Dude, Its a joke! Chill out! You Y fans take things too serious. There is no guarantee the U will even get into the AAU. There is a chance they might. Which will boost their academic profile along with the Pac 12 membership.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 27, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    @Bleed Crimson

    Who said anything about BYU? I'm talking about the elitist attitudes of the PAC 12, not all of whom are members. Do you really need the AAU to feel you are a quality university? Apparently, in your eyes, it is necessary.

    I'd say you're a bit paranoid about other schools that are no longer in your conference, but that's nothing new, really. Utes were pretty upset with the BCS in 2005 and 2009 and now that they're in the PAC 12 they think the BCS is just wonderful. (Surely you remember the previous unpopularity of the BCS on the hill.) Guess what---they haven't changed, you have. They are still the same elitist program they always were and you'll have a tougher time now that you are playing the likes of UCLA ansd USC instead of Utah State and Weber State. Good luck---you'll surely need it. And tell us how great the Las Vegas Bowl is, now that it is likely to be your bowl, assuming you are eligible for post-season play.

  • B Logan, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    What? I thought Utah had already made it to the promised land? Why do they need this guy to be their advocate?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 27, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    The University of Florida is an AAU school too. Fmr-Utah President Bernie Machen, who now heads up the Sunshine State's flagship institution, also had designs on qualifying Utah for an inviatation to that exclusive academic circle. Perhaps we should be reaching out to him as well.

    I would love to see Utah elevated to the AAU's esteemed confederation.

  • Bitterman west jordan, ut
    April 27, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    Re bleed crimson:
    You could also be invited to join a gentlemans club. So what? Just because its private doesnt mean its better. Of course, we could concede that point and apply it to university ownership....

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 27, 2011 7:21 p.m.


    Does this sound like another good-old boys club, like the US Congress and BCS schools or what?

    It sure does! Another club that byu will not be invited too!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 27, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    Does this sound like another good-old boys club, like the US Congress and BCS schools or what?

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    April 27, 2011 6:48 p.m.

    Did he? What was his salary at the U and what is his salary at UW?

  • cheeseman187 Costa Mesa, CA
    April 27, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    He ditched the U for a lower paying job. Why would he advocate for them?