Angela Berg Robertson: Scientifically seeking religious truth

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  • Convert Cedar City, UT
    April 28, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    "The problem with religion is that it's based upon absolutes; there is no room for adjustment"

    I am convinced my religion (LDS) is indeed quite flexible when it comes to integrating science and religion.

    I've concluded that the greatest disparity between Genesis and science is "Time". Time is relative, as proven by Einstein. To say that the Creation took 6 days is totally believable. So is Evolution,involving millions/billions of years. And the Atonement spans our many generations.

    Another disparity is Dimensions. We perceive that our 3-dimensional world is all there is in terms of reality. No so: additional dimensions are a fact. Science proves there are additional dimensions (e.g. supergravity). And our religion also proves addional dimensions (e.g. the Holy Ghost, Kolob).

    Science and Religion are very much compatible. What is not compatible is our limited human understanding of the two.

  • Mick Stupp Orem, UT
    April 28, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    "The problem with religion is that it's based upon absolutes[;] there is no room for adjustment."

    Well, not really. Most religious principles are not so rigid (except in the minds of certain dogmatic individuals). Indeed, these principles are soft enough that they are constantly being molded, redefined, and refined. Take the atonement of Christ, for instance, which most Christians would place at the very core of their theology. Theories of atonement have been discussed and dissected for centuries, and even the most dogmatic explanations by LDS General Authorities contain weaknesses and inconsistencies when examined carefully. Whoever said that the gospel is beautifully simple and simply beautiful had a very superficial understanding of the topic.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    April 28, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    The problem with religion is that it's based upon absolutesthere is no room for adjustment. One either accepts a doctrinal "truth" on its face, or be subjected to the consequences of unbelief. Such consequences in many religious institutions are often defined as damnation or eternal punishment

    The scientific method allows for an adjustment of a theory or conclusion through hypothesis testing. Its open to the idea that "absolutes" are not conducive to uncovering truth...that we learn and discover through objective methodologies, not subjective doctrines that allegedly come from a supernatural source.

    Generally speaking, the scientific method encourages a challenge to a conclusion, not punishment for disbelief. In this sense, there is indeed a conflict between science and religion.

  • JoeBlow Miami Area, Fl
    April 27, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    "man did NOT evolve, but is very specific creation."

    and you know this based on religious teachings?

    I assume that no scientific discovery could trump those religious teachings.

    Hence, the disconnect between science and religion.

  • sharrona layton, Ut
    April 27, 2011 7:12 p.m.

    Truth said, basic login dictates you need existant matter to organize? Greek philosophy does, Not Christianity. Christians beleive in the uncreated creator of all else. Goggle Aseity.
    Truth said creation, to create, means to organize, geneis is quite clear God gave form to existing matter.No.
    To create, make(bara,1254,Hebrew)This verb is of significance ,since it has only God as the subject. Only God can create in the sense implied by bara. The verb expresses creation out of nothing. In the beginning God(not gods) created the heavens and the earth.(Genesis 1:1) Vines Biblical words.

    And the Spirit shall return to God, who gave it(Eccl 12:7).

    By faith we understand that the universe (Aionas=time) was formed by Gods word so what is seen was not made out of what was visible.(Hebrews 11:3 Greek N.T.) Explicit statement of ex nihlio.
    Mormonism teaches polytheism, Christianity teaches monotheism

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 27, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    RE: sharrona | 9:51 a.m.

    creation, to create, means to organize,

    basic login dictates you need existant matter to organize,

    geneisis is quite clear God gave form to existig matter.

    How God created the universe is not clear, and science doed know the answers though they have posited many possibilities and theories.

    But the evolutoin of Man is clearly incorrect.

    man did NOT evolve, but is very specific creation.

    So called Science can make up a ton possiblities and think up what ever they want, thye can invent guesses and call them facts, but that is not truth.

  • Vanka Provo, UT
    April 27, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    This woman is studying "the biomechanics of walking and running in humans".

    How does this give her expertise and a valid opinion on Cosmogony? Cosmology? Theogony? Philosophy of Science? Epistemology?

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    April 27, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Sharrona, I don't see how the scriptures you reference specify that God created everything ex nihilio. All they say is that he created it, or made it. It doesn't say how, and it's perfectly reasonable to assume that he organized it from matter that was already there, in accordance with natural laws. I don't really view this as a challenge to God's omniscience, just an explanation as to why he is omniscient. If you have to believe in ex nihilio creation to be a Mainstream Christian, I have no problem not being a Mainstream Christian.

  • Juan Figuroa Seattle, WA
    April 27, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    You cannot "rectify" differences between science and religion. It's quite simple, however, to "reconcile" them. Wanna borrow my dictionary?

  • sharrona layton, Ut
    April 27, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    (God) organized what was already there. I don't see why life should be any different," Robertson said.(Mormon View)
    Christianity believes in creation ex nihilio. God calls things into existence: (Romans 4:17),God created things visible and invisible(Col 1:16),God is the absolute creator of everything(Acts 4:24),God existed before time ,implying He created time, (2 Tim 1:9, Titus 1:2). A short list.

    When God created the universe He made no use of pre-existing material, nor did he make the world out of His own being. Christian theism rejects the view that identifies the world with Gods being or essence(pantheism). God alone is infinite ,eternal and independent, while the physical universe, the creation is temporal, and contingent (matter is not eternal)l but results from the power of Gods word.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    April 27, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    I think Angela would be mortified and embarassed if she read Michael Ash's articles on the scientific method.

  • Kimball Bakersfield, CA
    April 27, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    I just love scientists who are not threatened by religion and are open to the possibilities. Considering all sources of truth or knowledge is a much more flexible and meaningful way to approach life.