Illegal immigration bills not in accord with Utah Compact, Bishop Wester says

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  • WhatsGoingOnHere Ogden, UT
    April 25, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Bishop Wester is doing the same thing everyone else is, looking out for his own self interest. A lot of the illegal immigrants are Catholics, not many of the citizens of Utah are catholic. It is simple his self interest to be siding with those that are breaking the laws as opposed to those that are here legally.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    April 20, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    I have read a lot of the comments that have been and agree with some and not with others. I further believe that the Bishop had some good to say. I believe it's high time that we stop giving the illegals any help what so ever, if they are in this country illegally. The U.S. govt. needs to put a stop to not enforcing the law and stop the illegals from coming to this country. I believe further that the business owners need to be held liable if they hire the illegals with stiff fines and the chance of losing their business. AZ. has a law like the one I am talking about. There should be a seperation of State and Church and be told not to mix in the law.

  • Watch Dog Provo, UT
    April 11, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    It's not about compassion. It's not about right or wrong. It certainly is not about about honoring or respecting our law. It is all about greed. Greed of the employer, and the businesses we utilize in our lives.

    What most do not recognize is that just as soon as we legalize the present batch of illegal aliens, greedy employers will be overlooking them, and importing more illegal aliens to take advantage of - for they do not want to pay fair or competitive wages if they can figure out how to cheat the system, or get someone else to pick up their tab, etc.

  • Noah So Ogden, Ut
    April 10, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Just mentioning cheap labor and not adding costs may leave readers thinking that business passes along savings and its a win-win. But "According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform, illegal immigration costs American taxpayers $113 billion annually. This amounts to $1,117 per household to pay for the health care, education, welfare and incarceration of illegal immigrants." [Reported by Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), March 2, 2011]
    citing the Bracero program from 1942 to 1964 as having "benefited the national US economy", and its true the Bracero Program, like all guestworker programs, are primarily about cheap labor. But when Congress ended this program, tomato farmers claimed that the Bracero Program was essential to their survival, but growers invested in mechanization and production quadrupled over the next 30 years. See the report by Economic professors Tella and Martin in the Washington Times.

  • Noah So Ogden, Ut
    April 10, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    According to a story broadcast on National Public Radio on March 18, Mara Liasson, stated, "The White House has been planning to make another push for immigration legislation sometime in the next couple of months." Already, the Obama administration is participating in a new and very threatening new strategy, working with states like Utah to overturn U.S. law. Utah has decided to issue its own, very-unconstitutional work visas to illegal aliens! This unconstitutional action might be laughable if so many serious institutions weren't backing it, and if it weren't being spotlighted as model legislation by scores of newspapers nationwide. The state of Utah is now asking U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to grant a "waiver" to Utah so that Utah can allow illegal aliens to work there--legally?? Holder actually met with a delegation of Utah officials concerning this matter. NumbersUSA is fighting to keep this ridiculous and unconstitutional idea from spreading to other states that happen to want cheap illegal labor. Hopefully we can keep the Obama administration from granting an unconstitutional "waiver" to Utah.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 9:31 p.m.

    The way I see it.....Herbert is gone and will be replaced by someone like Sandstrom who will carry out the rule of law by enforcing current law, heavily fine those who hire illegals, and do away with the Driver Priv Card! The Church has too show some compassion they are a church...and have members who serve as Bushops, Stake Presidents etc....they can continue with the Compassion speech but reasonable citizens will show vote for enforcing and obeyance to the rule of law!

  • a lawrence phoenix, az
    April 9, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    A couple of posters seem not to understand how illegal workers can displace legal workers. It is fairly simple: they under-bid them for the work. It is an insidious process. In my industry, construction, it has been happening for about twenty-five years.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 9, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    How about this story: Utah Compact not in accord with current immigration law.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 9, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Re: Grover | 10:11 a.m. April 9, 2011

    We could easily pass a federal law making it illegal to grant any financial assistance, either state or federal, to anyone who is not a US citizen or who has a green card.

    Where there's a will there's a way. Providing medical and welfare assistance to illegal aliens is not the answer.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    The world has really been stood on its ear and gone dyslexic when any member of the Catholic hierarchy in America today is labeled a "socialist". JBQ needs a bigger dictionary if that is the only label he can shout. What a hoot! Even if he was taking the side of illegals to build the coffers of his Church, how would that not be capitalism?

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 9, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Bishop Wester and Cardinal George will stop at nothing less than an affordable amnesty.
    If the fines, fees and back taxes are too high, they will cry foul.
    Already some are complaining that deporting CRIMINALS is unfair. (See Illinois proposed Smart Enforcement Law now on the table in Springfield.)
    I suppose that's the beauty of the rule of law. Fight to change it if you must, but obey it in the meantime or suffer the consequences.
    The fact that politicians, activists, labor unions and big business are winking and nodding does not change the fact that they are on the wrong side of the law.
    The Catholic and LDS Church should be ashamed of themselves. Shall we take a little looky-loo at your tax exempt status?

  • joelwisch Albuquerque, NM
    April 9, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    So long as we cannot enter links, the illegal aliens can win on humanitarian grounds. That is the case because the churches continue to want their patronage, and not one single soul will stick up for the American Taxpayer. Particularly, the churches.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 9, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    The good bishop is a socialist from a Church which has turned socialist. It is time to "redistribute the wealth" instead of refining a marriage between capitalism and socialism. In Mexico, you have a situation where there is narco-terrorism as stated by Hillary. This is being used to create a great Southern hemisphere of socialist entities under the "Hugo" umbrella. You can't tell me that the Church doesn't know this. Watch the Harrison Ford movie "Clear and Present Danger" one more time! In Ireland, there is more of the same with the provisionals going political at the same time that they are importing weapons from Iran and using them to kill Catholic kids who dare to become police officers in Northern Ireland.

  • Concerned in Clinton Clinton, UT
    April 9, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    To the argument that they are taking jobs away from legal residents all I have to say is that it is hard to give legal residents a job when they can make more money not working and just waiting for that handout to get put on their government issued debit card. We can solve a lot of problems by insisting that Americans (legal residents) who can work get to work, any work while they are "looking" for a job. It is a crime that we keep extending unemployment benefits while illegal, oops, I mean undocumented workers bring in billions and then send this money south of the border.

    Why not require anyone out of work to put in at least 20 hours of work(even if it is in a menial, hard labor, low paying job) I would rather subsidize a part of their income while they were being productive than subsidize all of their income while they sit around filling out the required 3 applications a week to remain on benefits.

    Fill up the jobs that Americans don't want and you take them away from illegals. If illegals can't find work they'll go back home.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    April 9, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Breaking Constitutional Law is causing the chaos. The Utah Compact and Bill #116 is causing the chaos and both are going to go no where.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    This problem has no solution that will not tear apart the fabric of our current "legal" citizenry. We are living in an increasingly globalized world and sooner or later we are going to face opening our north and south borders which would change little from the current situation. We cannot enforce our borders now it would be cheaper to enforce who works once they get here. Does anyone really believe that 12 million people got here by walking across the desert or that 12 million can be deported? We won't even vote taxes for improving our immediate needs and we think we are going to get people to "pony up" to put them on a bus or put armed troops on the border?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 9, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    No...they've got it wrong. The bills are fine...despite not going far enough. It's the Utah Compact that is out of line!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 8:41 a.m.

    The recent illegal trespassing legislation passed and signed by the Guv. does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING besides gain the illegal trespassers another year of trespassing amnesty. The "guest worker" program is DOA, (the feds aren't about to secede that to the states). Likewise, with the enforcement provisions. Law enforcement has been "looking the other way" for years, why start doing anything different?

    NEXT YEAR when current lawmakers will be facing re-election is when I expect things to really get done regarding "rolling up the welcome mat" for illegal trespassers.

    I, like "McFergy" above would like to know what went on in the back rooms of the legislature this past session. There seems to be a "backstory" that no one in the media is reporting.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    The "Utah Solution" of immigration laws ignored the first principle of the "Utah Compact" and stated that Immigration is a State Power. The "Utah Solution" does have a flaw, HB 116.

    Either way, anyone, including the SL Tribune or the Deseret News that thinks that the "Utah Compact" is a good idea can NOT think that the "Utah Solution" laws are. They do not mesh.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    April 9, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    You can only take a job from a legal resident if two or more people are lined up for that job and the owner of the business selects the illegal resident. I wish those who use that phrase "taking jobs from legal residents" would stop and complain about the business owners as much as they do about the illegals, if not complain more.

  • snowman Provo, UT
    April 9, 2011 7:55 a.m.

    Hey Wester, do you like the people of your church breaking the law?

    Steven Harper: The illegal immigrants are making themselves vulnerable.

  • wigglwagon Mariion, Va
    April 9, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    Why does Bishop Wester have no concern for the legal resident families who were forced into unemployment and poverty by the illegal aliens? Why does the Utah Compact not even attempt to protect legal residents' jobs and wages from the illegal aliens?

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    April 9, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    Too bad the Bishop doesn't have sympathy for the Utahns that are out of work. But perhaps he is hoping they will turn to God, so he can add some more sheep to his flock? Or does his flock consist mainly of illegals, so that isn't his target audience anyway?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 7:19 a.m.

    I suspect that Bishop Wester is coming to realize that the Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute and other representatives of the greedy business interests behind the Utah Compact and HB116 guest worker bill never really had in mind any sort of amnesty for illegal aliens whether in Utah or at the national level; that all they really want, and the real purpose of HB116, is to simply attract to this country an even greater influx of illegal aliens -- and to keep them illegal. This works out just fine for the greedy businessmen -- there is no enforcement to speak of, after all -- and this way, wages are kept to a minimum. A new influx of illegal aliens into this country, of Biblical proportions, will help insure an almost unlimited supply of cheap labor. Even better, it will help entrench their presence in this country: enforcement of any law related to illegal immigration and labor will become increasingly impossible whether in fact or in people's perception (which of course will amount to the same thing).

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    April 9, 2011 6:49 a.m.

    The good and fair Bishop really has his hands full trying to explain Jesus to the politicians. Keep up the good work.

  • MCFergy Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2011 1:45 a.m.

    Bishop Wester has taken a position that any religious organization should. On the other hand, there is wide speculation as to whether the L.D.S. Church played an active roll to pass H.R. 116 or if it was ifluencenced by a non-offical member. Either way, Bishop Wester should be applauded and the Utah Chamber of Commerce should hang their heads in shame for using deceptive methods to secure support from any religion and Governor Herbert for their own agenda.

  • wigglwagon Mariion, Va
    April 9, 2011 1:36 a.m.

    Why is Bishop Wester so concerned about protecting the illegal aliens who took jobs from legal residents, thereby forcing the legal resident families into unemployment and poverty? Did I miss something? Nowhere in the Utah Compact did I see any protections for those legal residents.

  • Steven Harper Salt Lake City, UT
    April 8, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    Bishop Wester has the compassion & the intelligence to speak out against laws that allow even more exploitation of the most vulnerable workers.

    April 8, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    I agree with the Bishop, neither side will benefit with the guest worker program except business. His fear new immigrants could displace immigrants already living and working in the state is also valid. The citizens of the state have watched this happen for years to their jobs.