Utah Gov. Gary Herbert signs immigration bills into law

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  • lloydlewisjr Montrose, CO
    Dec. 6, 2012 4:06 p.m.

    Another thought: It wasn't your governor who wrote the bill (s), it was your legislature, so perhaps if you have a complaint in regards to the bill contact them. Further, it looks like a pretty sensible blueprint to work from. Third, no state law can supersede federal law, however it can equal federal law. Each state however can mandate certain laws as a test to federal law. Is this one of those? Fourth, I don't believe those that are working, whether legal or not, will be smothering the health and social services with needs as most of them know how to ration their finances, usually pay cash for what they get and try to stay out of the public eye. The same cannot be said for the trouble makers. And last, I believe those of you that are against immigration and immigration reform that are LDS in particular. need to take a look at how Mexico accepted the LDS Church into their country without a lot of problem. In 1912 (I think) they were given the opportunity to return to the U.S. pretty much in safety. Treat them as you would want to be treated.

  • lloydlewisjr Montrose, CO
    Dec. 6, 2012 3:32 p.m.

    Well, at least someone is "trying" to figure out a "solution" instead of ignoring it an hoping it will go away. For my money I am willing to see those that are not lazy, indolent, live off the system, have an opportunity at success. Further, I have worked with the "illegals" in many conditions, and have had them work for me. (they produced the necessary required information and cards (green and sos) which turned out after 2 years to be false) However during that 2 years, they paid all the required taxes (because I sent it in) and those tax payments do them absolutely no good. So considering this for the so-called millions that are paying into the system they are not eligible to draw from, where does that money reside now, and why is social security broke? After all that system has been being paid into for decades by illegals that cannot draw from it so what "slush fund" has that money gone into? Give 'em a number that way the government cannot hide or misuse the money they pay in.

  • Mike Ligon SIERRA VISTA, AZ
    Aug. 15, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    I am a retired immigration inspector and a member of the Church for the last 45 years who just published "10 Years On the Line: My War On the Border". There is an amazing degree of ethnocentric naivete' being displayed regarding this "Compact" similar to the Church's efforts to solve the "homeless children of Brazil" non-existent issue. 1)Illegal entry into the U.S. is NOT a "civil" offense. It is a violation of 10 USC 212(A)(6)(C)(ii) and is a felony. 2)What happened to: "Blossom where you're planted?; "Strengthen the stakes of Zion, and "We teach them correct principles and the GOVERN themselves? I feel like I've been stabbed in the back.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 19, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    Thank you JBrady for the info. I'm guessing employers find it easier to hire anybody (including illegals) than comply with the H-2A process.
    Specifically employers must:
    1. Undertake specific recruitment efforts to hire U.S. citizens including contacting farm labor boards, advertise acc. to Dept of Labor guidelines and also use existing federal and state employment agencies etc.

    2. Employers must establish employment of the alien will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of workers in the United States similarly employed.

    3. Employers must:
    a. Provide free housing for those not able to return home each day;
    b. Transportation from and back to the country of origin;
    c. Low-cost meals (if the customary practice); and
    d. Guaranteed employment for seventy-five percent of the period
    specified in the work contract.

    4. Finally, employers seeking labor certification must assure
    DOL that they will replace an H-2A visa-holder with any qualified U.S. worker
    willing to do the same job at the same rate of pay if that U.S. worker presents
    himself or herself for employment within the first 50 percent of the H-2A visaholders
    contract period

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 19, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    H-2A visas are for agriculture and have no cap, farmers can apply for them any time they want. Why don't they use them? To many people here illegally. Illegal immigration has killed the visa programs.

    H-2b visas have a cap, this is to protect our workers the same as other countries protect theirs. They are issued according to need, not demand. More could be issued, if there wasn't 12-20 million people here illegally.

    H-1b visas and H-1C, are for specific fields that we require more workers in. The caps are set by congress.

    This is why a guest worker program will not be implemented by Utah. They are either capped because of the large illegal immigration problem, or they are not being used because it's easier just to hire someone here illegally.

    Utahn's have a right to their jobs. No man has a right to take away the ability of another man to feed and house his family when he does it legally.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 19, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Giving away American jobs in this country is the act of traitors.

    Business needs to stay out of the immigration issue. They are going to force a confrontation with labor that will put everyone here illegally in the middle.

    Other than groceries, most everything we buy can be purchased cheaper on the Internet from companies outside Utah.

  • mb1107 Centreville, VA
    March 18, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    Notice that the Utah Compact' text does not actually use the word "illegal."

    This leads me to a few conclusions
    1) Isn't this confusing? When most people read this, as I can see in the comments, they are thinking it's referring to illegals..
    2) This is a huge omission. You can't draft an entire document about immigration and not talk about Legal v. Illegal Status. There is a huge difference.
    3) @jray and others, I think you should not assume the church is supporting "illegal" immigration, considering it's not even in the text.

  • I M LDS 2 Provo, UT
    March 18, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    The Church is prohibited by its own scriptures from mingling religious influence with civil government to advance their own interests (D&C134).

    What is going on among the Brethren?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 18, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    The U.S. needs comprehensive immigration reform which Republicans oppose.

    H-2B visas for temporary, NON-AGRIGCULTURAL workers is limited to 66,000 per/year.

    H-1B visas are limited to 65,000 per year and priority given to highly skilled/highly educated workers.

    H-2A visas are for temporary, seasonal agricultural workers about 30,000/yr.

    I would guess this immigration bill is a bitter pill for Gov. Herbert to swallow and were it not for LDS Church leaders working behind the scene it wouldn't have passed and ended up with his signature.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 18, 2011 9:51 a.m.

    Why is it that people on this board so love to pile on CA?

    CA is not the state with the biggest financial crisis as a percentage of GDP or population.
    CA is extremely diverse in race and politics, in stark contrast to Utah which is overwhelmingly white and Republican. I feel like I'm in Stepford every time I visit Utah. It also surprises me that with a Church which sends young people as missionaries around the world for 2 yrs so many Utahns appear uninformed and narrow in their views.

    CA does have significant budget issues and difficulty addressing them as a result of numerous ballot propositions which restrict flexibility and laws which require(d) 2/3 to pass a budget and/or raise taxes. Currently, Gov. Jerry Brown wants to put a measure on the ballot for a temporary tax increase but Republicans are trying to block the measure. Why not let citizens vote? Frankly, I believe it would be voted down anyway as similar measures have.

    It isn't the diversity of the state I don't like, it is the traffic and congestion of the big cities.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    March 18, 2011 8:48 a.m.

    Just met a new resident on one of our walking trails who moved here from California. After talking to her and reading the posts from those in California I have come to the conclusion that pandering to the illegals isn't such a good idea. Will we (and our legislators) learn before it is too late?.... I wonder! Please remember those on the list noted in the post above who voted for HB116 and include Herbert and vote them out at the next election day.

  • John Adams Miami, FL
    March 18, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    @ hagar | 12:56 a.m. March 18, 2011

    That is a valid question. Apparently, there are two different standards in being worthy of a temple recommend--one for citizens and one for illegal aliens. If God is truly no respector of persons (Acts 10:34; Romans 2:11; D&C 1:35; D&C 38:16), then how is this possible?

    Here in South Florida, an "experiment" is currently being conducted in a our stake. The English speaking members (the majority) are expected to wear headphones and listen to sacrament meeting being translated from Spanish into English.

    It makes me feel like a foreigner in my own country.

    Certainly, I believe in compassion, but I also believe in "choice and accountability." So at what point is the line drawn where mercy can rob justice?

  • hagar Doylestown, PA
    March 18, 2011 12:56 a.m.

    I wonder if I will no longer be required to declare that I am "totally honest" at my next Temple Recommend interview. Perhaps not being honest with the government (e.g. not paying taxes or being here illegally} is acceptable so long as I am honest in "dealing with my fellow men."

  • wilson-kelly Vale, OR
    March 18, 2011 12:20 a.m.

    So just write a new law if you can't uphold the old one!
    Hope that works out well for you all!
    America is for Americans.
    Too bad we have officials that don't understand that.
    At least you know your neighboring states are going to love you, Utah is setting itself up to take care of some of their problems. THANK YOU!
    All those that want so badly to be of good service for immigrants need to march themselves right down and sign up to become a sponsor for an immigrant family. That is how it done. If you can't walk your talk maybe you should just sit down and be quiet.

  • MCFergy Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    "Yea" Votes for H.B. 116: USL House; Anderson, Arent, Barrus, Bird, Biskupski, Briscoe, D. Brown, Butterfield, Christensen, Cosgrove, Daw, Dee, Draxler, S. Duckworth, Edwards, Janice Fisher, Julie Fisher, Galvez, Handy, Harper, Hemingway, Hendrickson, Hutchings, Kiser, Litvack, McIff, Menlove, Moss, Painter, Perry, J. Peterson, V. Peterson, Poulson, Powell, Richardson, Sagars, Seelig, Vickers, Webb, Wheatley, Wiley, Wright & Lockhart; USL Senate; Adams, Bramble, Buttars, Christensen, Davis, Hillyard, Jenkins, Jones, Knudson, Mayne, McAdams, Morgan, Neiderhauser, Okerlund, Reid, Robles, H. Stephenson, J. Stevenson, Valentine, Van Tassell & Waddoups.

  • MCFergy Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2011 6:33 p.m.

    Re: Utah H.B. 116; Funny, one would have thought that at least 29 GOP Representatives (43-28-4) and 15 GOP Senators (21-7-1) in the Utah State Legislature, and GOP Governor Herbert would have learned from President Ronald Reagan's 1986 folly of granting amnesty, while ignoring the 'promise' of immigration enforcement. Perhaps they're simply young, naive and unaware or most likely, ignoring the lessons of history and repeating the 'same old mistakes.'

    Had my Representative voted "yea" for H.B. 116, he'd be off my list in 2012, as Governor Herbert and my Democrat Senator will be. Without honoring the 'promise,' we are once again victims of betrayal and the perpetual cycle of exploited illegal foreign workers will continue.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    March 17, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    @hoopsgirl - too bad we cannot post links, so google Utah HB 116 Third Substitute, when you get to the bill site, click the link 'Bill Status/Votes.' On the 'Vote' column, click 19 5 5 for the Senate vote, or 41 32 2 for the House vote. Good luck!

  • AmericaInterwest La Quinta, CA
    March 17, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    WARNING! Remember this the next time someone spouts open border lobby talking points about they are only here to do the work you won't do,remember that the open border promoting drug cartels use Illegal Immigrants by the thousands to cultivate, smuggle, transport and distribute huge amounts of life destroying drugs to Americas unfortunate victims. It could be your son or your daughter who is the next target of the open border drug pushers. This a serious problem. Don't end up the victim. Stop Illegal immigration Now.

  • RobK hyde park, UT
    March 17, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Quote ' 'If the bill attracts illegal immigrants it will prove to be a bad choice for Utah citizens. Go to California and see for yourself how illegal immigration has ruined that state. Also if immigration is good for the economy then why is California in such economic collapse with all of its millions of illegal immigrants? ''

    I just moved here for a better life and to get away from the ghettos . i lived in California 45 years (too long ) and now look what happens . Its going to be another California soon !!

  • dnpearce Frederick, MD
    March 17, 2011 2:15 p.m.

    These bills address the real issues. These immigrants are part of our society, as one - very conservative - legislator who sponsored the bill said. No one making negative comments about this legislation is will price of deporting them - you are too cheap to fund the agencies responsible to do it. I support the Church's position 100 percent. I would rather place my faith in the Prophet then so called patriots.

  • Dan Walters La Quinta, CA
    March 17, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    If the bill attracts illegal immigrants it will prove to be a bad choice for Utah citizens. Go to California and see for yourself how illegal immigration has ruined that state. Also if immigration is good for the economy then why is California in such economic collapse with all of its millions of illegal immigrants?

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    March 17, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    The Church, media, S L chamber, and legislators are so proud of themselves. Well pride goeth before the fall. I think it is so sad the business side of the Church trumped the ecclesiastical side of the Church.

  • RobK hyde park, UT
    March 16, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    ''Congratulations Utah citizens!

    You now get to provide free healthcare, WIC, welfare, education, (and don't forget food bank), to 110,000 illegal aliens in Utah for at least another year!

    A BIG victory for illegal trespassers and their unethical employers! ''

    i agree 100 %

  • RobK hyde park, UT
    March 16, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    I am so very sickened that the church would support this bill . I have been a active member for over 40 years and do not agree with the church or you on this . I also feel the church should NO longer be free from paying taxes if they are going to help pass bills like these or be so involved in politics . I have NEVER been upset with the church or so tick at any Governor as i am now . Gov. Herbert and the church leaders have for the first time lost my vote . I am sorry i ever voted for you for Gov.Herbert , it was a BIG mistake and will never happen again .


  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 16, 2011 6:47 p.m.

    Separating wheat from chaff is simple. Just add some hot air.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    March 16, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    So let's see the LDS Church, the Salt Lake Chamber, the media and the legislators all meet in secret to set up these bills. I read somewhere you should avoid secret combinations.

  • hardware Erda, Ut
    March 16, 2011 5:47 p.m.

    Big mistake....he won't last long now. Any of my fellow Californians who have watched the state be fleeced by illegals and watched the welfare systems in place for Americans be used up by politicians extending itchy palms for the Hispanic vote, know it's only a matter of time before your state will be over run by gangs, drugs and trafficking. Governor Herbert made a huge mistake. Mark my words.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    March 16, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Bishop Burton said the church had endorsed the Utah Compact. "We feel that the Legislature has done an incredible job on a very complex issue," Burton said.

    Whose side are you on?

  • hoodwinked REHOBOTH BEACH, DE
    March 16, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    If Gov. Herbert, his fellow congressmen, the Church and all Catholic Bishops, feel charitable toward illegals, they should take it upon themselves to get their wallets out, and support them. Our own President requested Americans take charity into their own hands and not depend on our social system, because all entitlements are being taken away and jobs scarce. I personally fear the cuts being made have tightened my pursestrings to the point I make no personal purchases, am extremely frugal and barely survived a sever, cold winter to keep my heating down. It's isn't right to put the extra burden on our own citizens to harbor those who are breaking our laws and robbing our loved ones. Remember, charity belongs at home. Not all people agree with our religions, it's isn't right to ask taxpayers to sacrifice for the beliefs of others or political greed. Mexico is not that poor, they have free hospitals, a growing infrastructure and economy, wonderful schools, and free colleges. Illegals should stay in their own country, since their president said there were many jobs. Thank you, Mr Hood

  • hoopsgirl Draper, UT
    March 16, 2011 3:32 p.m.

    Does anyone know how to get a list of who voted for and who voted against this bill? Thanks.

  • Omar Lopez Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    Tell me I can forge a degree in medicine and start working as a doctor because "I'm trying to better my situation for my children".

    Email the Governor and tell him how this affects you and your family or friends personally.

    Construction has gone to those using illegals. What kind of enforcement will be seen towards those breaking the laws and causing all the legal citizens to go without work and pay at the hands of illegals.

    I've watched friends, family and my self loose out on work due to illegals. To me this is theft. If someone enters your property (Our Country) and takes something that is not theirs to take (our jobs/income) that is theft. The guest worker program slaps them on the hand with a fine and then empowers them with the legal right to continue the practice. How is that compassion towards those who are being effected in our state by law breakers?

    A drywaller who does it legal has to hang the drywall for free to compete with the prices those who use illegals can do it for. One business in AF is a prime example. IFS

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 16, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    @ Irony Guy

    My thought is that accountability rules the day. To expect exisitng laws be abided, and to be angry that Utah is making up its own rules...thats fascist?

    IMHO its acceptable for states to enforce federal law if the Fed cannot or will not. In the scheme of things the state is doing the people's bidding, and that will always be given deference, i.e. in the end, that wins in the Supreme court...Just my opinion. To do something "innovative" in this situation...that will not..and really cannot be allowed to win....sorry.

    Why do think our AG was lobbying so hard in DC? He knows what is coming, and he is hoping to get D.C. legislative action before the Supreme Court Clobbers him...we can't even get a budget out of that circus...talk about Glacial Sounds...

    BTW...name calling and adding nothing but vitriol to a discussion...well you decide.

  • michaelitos Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    This is an excellent and HUGE step forward for Utah and the nation. To me, these bills represent the best in our political system. The bills were well debated, fine tuned, and ultimately the Legislature came up with something unique and innovative that responds to the demands of both justice and mercy.

    I applaud Gov. Herbert and the Legistlature.

    Great job!

  • lawenforcementfromAZ Glendale, AZ
    March 16, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    I had great respect for the State of Utah, and hopefully I will in the future. I am not a resident of Utah, but if I were, I would hope that many like minded citizens who do what California and now Florida have done: remove a governor and major from office if they have failed to follow the wishes of their constitutents.

  • isittrue Midvale, Utah
    March 16, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    The immigration bills just signed are beginning the smoke screen effect which could hide the super secret mandate of bill HB477.

    Bringing our state back will take focus and immediate action. Repeal HB477 so that we can act in freedom. HB477 will be effective in a short 90 days and will hinder, bind, rebuff, and substantially dilute citizens efforts to participate openly and freely in our, choose a title, Democracy, Republic, Guns Waivers, Pistol Palace, Castle Ponzi, Little Mexico, and other options.

    The immigration bills can be dealt with secondly, there is more time. The smokescreen technique is highly effective and can be used to hide HB477 as well as succeed and further abuse immigration law.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    March 16, 2011 1:56 p.m.

    So he really did it! Sold out to the groups that support illegals against the tax paying citizens of Utah who support the rule of law and LEGAL immigration. All I need to know is who is running against the Gov in the next election. That person will get my vote.

  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Welcome to the land controlled by business, legislative and religious leaders as stated early in this article. What citizens want doesn't matter!

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    March 16, 2011 11:59 a.m.

    Wow I cant believe the things I am hearing. As a member of the church I am embarrassed and dont know what to think of some of these comments. You are honestly questioning the church because it showing compassion? Were you honestly in the church just because it had conservative views? Are you not aware of the hundreds of congregations in Utah and all over the U.S. who have many illegal faithful members, who our Heavenly Fathers children. Have you honestly forgotten what the Gospel of Christ is about. You are starting to sound like the same mobs the drove out our early members from back east, Missouri and Nauvoo because they believed Mormons were ruining their states and their cities. Why are you letting anger control your thoughts and question the church?
    I am proud that our church is showing compassion. I have many LDS hispanic friends, this issue effects their family greatly. We our all brothers and sisters and children of the same God. Our leaders know what they are doing.

  • Brian H. Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    Anyone who says that "the people of Utah will not stand for this" are mistaken. 71% of Utahns favor the bill. The LDS Church supports the bill. The Utah Compact is a testament to the fact that many people, including leaders, in many organizations, do stand for this. And we do it emphatically. We are glad to pass positive legislation.

    I am a Mormon, and I agree 100% with the Church's position on immigration reform in Utah. If you are one of the Mormons that insisted that all other Mormons agree with the Church's position on Prop 8, then I beg you to do likewise and accept the Church's position here as well.

  • EgbertThrockmorton Layton, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    The parsing of words for political expediency is reprehensible. Why are certain state legislators claiming that "the church" wanted them to vote for this bill, because Mexico was threatening LDS Church "properties" in Mexico? Seems to "fit" the real reasons for the bills, more than a "defense of families".
    I wonder how many Utah fraudsters will use these bills as an excuse to justify THEIR disregard for "honoring, obeying and sustaining the law". Political Convenience is never a "good reason" or excuse. I wonder if the authors of this bill gave a shred of thought, to the long term financial implications for the taxpayers who elected them, instead of the "special interests" applying pressure.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    The laws are not broken, they are being broke. Like mixing immigration and illegal immigration together, it's Orwellian doublespeak. You can't tell the world your 13 principles you live by, then break one. With 80% of Utah's legislature LDS, people around the world will question their integrity.

    We help them in their own country. We can't afford to do both.

    The President cannot give us a waiver, it will require the laws to be rewritten by congress. And it would need to survive challenges in court.

    It's all about the illegal workers for business. That's why they are giving people all over the world plenty of time to come here.

    Is there a reason for citizens to follow the laws anymore? What good does it do us?

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    "The Legislature's own attorneys have deemed the guest worker and immigrants sponsorship programs unconstitutional, meaning the state would need a waiver from the federal government to put them into practice."

    If the federal government is able to grant a waiver allowing something which is unconstitutional then nothing is unconstitutional.

  • Phill Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    To mohokat, it is not hypocritical and it does not conflict with the Articles of Faith. This reminds me of the Pharisees throwing stones and accusing Jesus for breaking the Mosaic law for doing service on a Sabbath and helping others.
    Helping those in need, even more those that are coming to this country in order to escape death, threats and provide for a better future for their children and family, I say it is our duty to help them. Many immigrants migrated to this country, oh, I forgot, this country was founded by immigrants. It is the broken system who is at fault and the bureaucracy, as well as Man made politics that are driving away the hearts and minds of the people and converting those thoughts into less compassionate causes. The gospel is open arms when it comes to helping others, even when those that are here illegaly. We are not to pass judgement as to why they are here, but it is prophecied in the scriptures that this will happen.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    This shows why Mitt Romney could not make it in a Presidential run. Last election there were many who were concerned that the LDS church would have to much influence on him. This to me is proof of that happening. I like others are ready to give up on Utah and also the Republican Party.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:32 a.m.

    I seem to remember in the last primary that the Dems where having a melt down because republicans were re-registering to vote against Matheson. It's cjb suggesting the same thing?

  • MCFergy Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    This is what happens when you have Gov. Herbert who hasnt got a clue, when it comes to ground zero, regarding illegal immigration and elitist Utah businessperson lobbyists who could care less about less-skilled Utah citizens and care only about the almighty dollars, and what cheap labor will hand them THE MAJORITY IS LEFT IN THE DUST TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES! Force the elitist, the Governor and those of like mind to live in the belly of the beast for a couple of years.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Listen, The Church called the shots on this and that is why Bishop Burton was there. They may have not been public but believe it they were present. Could some one explain why the Churches stand on this is not hypocritical. It appears to be in conflict with the Articles Of Faith.

  • Mike in Texas Allen, TX
    March 16, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    I see much intolerance in many of these comments. That is so sad -- especially coming from a people who have experienced so much historical intolerance.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    mecr, I don't think that's correct. E-verify takes effect when the rest of the bill does. If the bill dies in court, then E-verify dies with it. This bill removes sb81 which made E-verify mandatory.

    E-verify is no longer in effect in the state of Utah.

  • Roller Gunnison, UT
    March 16, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    What a shame.

  • windsor City, Ut
    March 16, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    So many tea party types who HATE illegals, often invoke poor Southern California in posts to these kinds of stories.

    I've been to the San Diego area many times. I see unending miles of beauty, affluence, and prosperity. I know there must be a darker side as well, just as there is a darker side in Utah. But threatening Utahns that we will end up like Southern California is a silly argument.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Some think 'most Utahan's' are in favor of these bills because the news media has slanted coverage to influence the process. It is time real Republicans (not 'cjb') start working now for a new candidate to run against Gov. Herbert in the next elections. Some think you must be a 'tea party' member to believe in the rule of law. cjb there are many people in this state not affiliated with the tea party that support the Constitution. As President Reagan said, government is not the solution to the problem, government IS the problem. The idea that those elected to government are there to do what 'they believe is right' is the main problem, those elected to government were sent their by the voters to represent the people.

  • mecr Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    People is so blind. They let their emotions go their heads and can't think clearly.

    First, the guest worker program will take about 2 years to work, we don't know if it will pass the federal courts. They even have to figure out now how they are going to implement it. That will take a while if it ever works.

    On the other hand, the bill requesting companies to check their legal status of their employees is in effect NOW. It doesn't need anything or anybody to enforce it. We will soon see companies getting in troubles for hiring illegals.

    People think illegals will come here because they think Utah is the oasis. It is not. The guest worker bill was signed out of compassion but there are no sure signs it will be working in the near future.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 16, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    That sound you heard was the forming of glaciers in the infernal regions. The Utah Legislature has unaccountably passed a bill that is innovative, just, and compassionate. I never thought it possible. Now Congress should look at Utah's solution and imitate it. Meanwhile, the little fascists on this thread ought to take their tantrums and move elsewhere -- I suggest Somalia.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    March 16, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    The May cutoff date shows the intention of bringing more people here illegally. This is not a solution to illegal immigration, it's an advertisement to lure people here illegally, which violates Federal law.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    March 16, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I can tell you right now that if the economy were booming and unemployment were down, those who are so against this bill would be silent, yet they scream that this is about all those greedy business people. Please, give me a break, its all about greed for you people as well. Your anger has nothing to do with obeying or disobeying the law.

  • Tom Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 16, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    These Bills are not perfect but they are headed in the right direction. I am proud of Gov. Herbert. He is a great American. I am proud to be from Utah. It is good to see that most people can look at the issues and not be cloud by emotion and irrational fears.

  • Chip Douglas Cedar Hills, UT
    March 16, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Wonderful legislation. H.B. 116 reflects the values of Utahns. We support the Utah Compact and we support elected officials who are willing to stand up to the vocal minority to make sound policy. Excellent job legislature and governor. We appreciate your courage. Just know that reasonable Utahns will stand by you and won't let you get bullied by a small minority.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    What about the 12th Article of Faith, Bishop Burton??

    And what about the Church's official statement, issued November 11, 2010, which reads, in part:

    "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nations laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

    What of it, Bishop?

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    I'm willing to wait and see what happens. Maybe the enforcement part will crack down on employers and make it harder for illegals to be here while the guest worker bill will give good people a way out of their predicament. I don't like that someone here legally on a student visa cannot qualify for the guest worker permit unless they let their visa expire, becoming illegal. I don't like that people waiting to come legally will wonder why they didn't just come the illegal way.

    But maybe this will spur the federal government to get to work. I'm skeptical, but I think Gov. Herbert is a good governor. I agree with most of what he has done. Perhaps this really will help. We'll see.

  • patriotandmore Spanish Fork, UT
    March 16, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    Very disappointing.

  • Andersonsue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    If the churches are for compassion, then why are the cops in Utah throwing everyone in jail for unpaid traffic violations?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 16, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    I walked outside my house this morning, and looked at the side of my barn. Something looked out of place, then I realized that the 13 articles of faith painted on the side had been changed to 12. There was an article of faith missing.

    The day a man walked across the border illegally and lied about it, started a chain of lying and compromised morals across the country.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    I wonder if Herbert will sue the DN for publishing a bogus poll on support for amnesty after he fails to get out of the repub convention.

    Herbert wont make it out of the convention, you wont be able to vote for him in the primary

    They will still be illegal since they will still be in violation of federal law

    the natives never claimed ownership of the land, such a concept is not in their culture

  • John Adams Miami, FL
    March 16, 2011 6:08 a.m.

    How sad. How truly sad. The Founding Fathers have turned over in their graves.

    Wish I lived in Utah so I could work to get Herbert and his cronies thrown out of office.

    Why wait until elections? YOU, the LEGAL CITIZENS, of Utah have the right to remove him from office now. Exercise your right, if that is truly how you feel.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2011 5:51 a.m.

    There is another wrinkle to this issue. The 1986 amnesty solved nothing. It was a temporary relief valve.
    Millions of people from the third world want to come here. Pew estimates that 36 million Mexicans want to come here. Gallup says 160 million world-wide would come here if they could.
    But this isn't 1986. Cell phones, the Internet and cheap air travel make the world even smaller now. And our chain migration policies of the past have given increasing numbers of illegal aliens a destination when they get here.
    So Gov Herbert...how ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm?

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 16, 2011 1:13 a.m.

    This is not about helping those here. It's an open door to anyone who moves here in the next two months. Proof that it's not about helping illegal immigrants here, but providing business with workers, at a time we face 7.5% unemployment.

    What's wrong here.

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    March 16, 2011 12:23 a.m.

    This is an attempt to circumvent the laws of our country, by claiming we are changing them. They know full well that the guest worker programs are run by the federal government and already exist.

  • chandler1 Boise, Idaho
    March 16, 2011 12:17 a.m.

    If the Bishop was there, the illegals plan to go to their Bishops and tell sad stories so they could get amnesty is working. They said they would do so after the amnesty bill failed. They are also using the same tactics on politicians and it's gladly working for politicians who need their votes.

    Illegals have no fear of getting aid if they are injured, they have no fear of reporting crimes, they use these stories as points to get their way. Just look at Medicaid, illegals on welfare and having babies by the millions. Does this look like they are shy? In WA state they go door to door asking people to vote for their politician so they can get amnesty.

    I don't know how much political power Bishops carry, but, if the religious listen to pitiful stories to play on their heartstrings, they are being used falsely. The faithful need to realize they are abetting people who don't belong here and should stand up for the love of their country not sad stories or people who came here to take advantage of us and our forefathers.

    March 15, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    Mexico has a 5.5% unemployment rate, and the 12th best economy in the world. They are not in crisis. American business is still moving there. And other than Juarez, Mexico has a lower murder rate than New Orleans.

    This is a well planned marketing ploy to keep the drivers privilege card, and kill the requirement of E-verify for business to check illegal status. SB81 required all business to use it, but Utah never enforced it, now it's gone. See how clever they are?

    The Federal government is not going to write new labor and immigration laws for Utah. It would open the doors for all states to pass and use enforcement laws.

  • Alfred Nuevo Leon, Mexico
    March 15, 2011 11:50 p.m.

    @Midwest Mom:

    "Anyone who says that they wouldn't break the immigration laws to save their families from the poverty and corruption of our southern neighbors is either lying or ignorant of the very real troubles immigrants face."

    Well, we can either have poverty of our southern neighbors or poverty of our own people. The US currently has 15 million unemployed Americans and about that any illegals in this country taking jobs. Would you rather have unemployed Americans or unemployed foreigners?

    "In our rural area, migrant workers are well respected and admired for their phenomenal work ethic..."

    That's an interesting comment. If these immigrants from our southern neighbor were so hard working and ambitious they would stay home and use their work ethic to foster economic growth there rather than spending their effort in moving out country forward. Which isn't moving the us forward at all since we are spending billions in unemployment benefits on our own unemployed... money we don't have but have to borrow from China and elsewhere.

  • dld kearns, ut
    March 15, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    The American citizens are saying no to amnesty and Utah keeps shoving it in our faces. Read our lips no amnesty, even the legitimate immigrants are saying that, wake up and support your legal citizens we made you and our country.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    March 15, 2011 11:33 p.m.

    If Canada had a financial and cultural crisis the size of the Mexico crisis, and the Canadian exiles inundated the USA, I doubt -- seriously -- Utah would have any moral issues in accepting the Canadians, legal or not. Would Utah's legislature create a guest worker program for Alberta?

    The only real difference between a legal alien and an illegal alien and a citizen of Utah is governmental paper work. So the real question here is -- why are federal forms so expensive and so complicated to get guest or guest worker status?

  • theother Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 15, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    HB 116 had nothing to do with compassion. Herbert blew it. I will work to remove him and Shurtleff in the next election.
    The arrogance demonstrated by our politicians in the Governors Mansion and the AGs office is just stunning.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 15, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    From what's been done and subsequently commented on here, it's obvious that many people are woefully naive when it comes to understanding what it takes to form and maintain a nation. A nation without borders soon ceases to be a nation, and that's what we see happening here. Not only that, but all the elements of the welfare state dictate that we in fact have to subsidize and support the very forces that are destined to be our eventual demise! I only wish some of those who are so eager to give the state away could spend some time trying to surive in a place like Southern California, where anarchy and chaos are now the rule rather than the exception. Of course until they actually experience it, they'll find a way to endorse those who almost never really act in the interest of their own constituents. And then we wonder why we have so many problems.

  • M.Sanchez Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 15, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    Utah the Sanctuary State.

    Organized Crime is already established in Utah. Migrant smuggling, Human Trafficking will now increase.

    Human suffering and deaths will also increase.

    All with a false promise of a job.

    Our Secure Strike Force is to underfunded and undermanned. It will soon be overwhelmed.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 15, 2011 10:26 p.m.


    I totally respect your approach...I just wouldn't ever vote for you. Don't get me wrong, you probably are of the fiber we could use in office...But...I want elected officials who choose the well being of the state/nation first and foremost...if, in doing that bidding, your faith guides your hand such that you do that work in a legal and ethical manner...I would thank God for you...however, we part ways my friend, when your faith overrides the well being of the state/nation. That was NEVER the intent of the framers of this nation.

    You also need to look at it this way...you CANNOT do what you are suggesting. If you accept office, and allow public policy to be guided by your faith, especially to the detriment of the State/Nation, you broke a vow/Oath...You Lied. To avoid such a conflict (pesky Church and state thing), the only honorable path is to ammend the constitution, or don't hold public office...to do otherwise is intentionally misleading voters who assume you abide by the rules, and thus not endearing you to God, I assure you.

  • iamdlogan Smithfield, UT
    March 15, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Let us all remember who did the signing, and when it comes time to vote for new ideas, let us remember the Governor and his cronnie buddies and their caving in to the wishes of Washington DC...This is an insult to american's both born and raised, and to those who have gone thru the legal maze to become an american citizen...WE WONT FORGET...NOT ON MY WATCH.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    March 15, 2011 10:11 p.m.

    Anyone who says that they wouldn't break the immigration laws to save their families from the poverty and corruption of our southern neighbors is either lying or ignorant of the very real troubles immigrants face. Coming to this country, legally or illegally, is not easy. In our rural area, migrant workers are well respected and admired for their phenomenal work ethic and strong families. There labor is needed and they need the work. I applaud those who worked to find a solution that tempers justice with mercy. Kudos.

  • OGolly Boise, ID
    March 15, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    This "Utah Solution" is nothing more than political fluff that tries (vainly) to have it both ways - i.e. being "compassionate" and observing the law at the same time. It fails miserably in that attempt, as a "man cannot serve two masters." (Gee, I wonder who said that?) Either illegal immigration is against the law or it is not. If it is, than Utah CANNOT, in any moral sense of the word, get around the problem by using compassionate Christian teachings as cover. The LDS Church's "official stance" is much better, and actually acknowledges that governments have a legal right and obligation to maintain their borders, something the last few administrations have failed miserably at. Nevertheless, it, too, is basically political fluff designed more not to offend anyone than to offer any nitty-gritty guidance; that's not the role of the church. Which is, after all, the proper stance to take I think.

  • milojthatch Sandy, UT
    March 15, 2011 9:45 p.m.

    "Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again...And why holdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" (Luke 6: 36-38, 41)

    I'm LDS and proud of it, and I have to say, based on what I'm hearing from my brothers and sisters, there is much repentance that needs to take place. This is the true church, and the fact is, the Gospel of Jesus Christ balances between obeying the law and compassion. I support this law and feel sorry for those who'd question their testimonies over being compassionate? Really? Look, Tea Party thinking has nothing to do with the Gospel. Time to decide who you follow? I follow Christ, what about you?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 15, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Utah needs a "real" conservative governor like Jan Brewer of Arizona who will pass a "real" immigration law that helps solve the real problem of illegal immigration. Look at the stat's that show crime in Arizona dropping since the passage of immigration law. The reason?? All the illegals are leaving Arizona and coming to Utah..... and now more than ever thanks to Herbert. The United States is a nation of law - I am surprised the LDS Church supports these bills which encourage illegal immigration to our state. These bills are wrong and
    Herbert will lose his job in 2012 because of it.

    March 15, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    HB116 has a loophole that makes it toxic to those here illegally. Once they become guest workers, they have to take jobs that Americans won't do, and be paid a fair wage. People working construction will no longer be eligible, since Americans work construction. So the guest workers will be looking for work that pays less, or go home. A person would be foolish to sign up for it.

    Utah's citizens can take the state to court anytime a company hires them for non agriculture work.

    This is a glorified mess that was never thought out. The greed of the business community just did them in.

    Herberts gone.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 15, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    since when is it compassionate to support law breakers? There are thousands of legal Hispanic imigrants in Utah who came into the state the right way - became a legal citizen by following the rules and the law. For those who "snuck" into the state illegally it is certainly not imcompassionate of me to ask that you obey the law of the United States and go back to Mexico... then make the effort to become a citizen the right way. I will welcome you to the state if you do but to falsely suggest I should somehow open the door and let you come in and grab all the free healthcare and education and jobs because that shows I am compassionate.... I say NONSENSE!!! What about the thousands of legal residents of UTah who don't get free healthcare or education and can't find a job because companies will only hire illegals who will work for cheap? Well let's just sort of ignore those poor folks. I will do EVERYTHING possible to make sure Gary Herbert is NOT re-elected to governor in 2012!! Yes I am a conservative , LDS too!!!

  • fanUVU Orem, UT
    March 15, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    Hooray for Gov. Herbert!! He has my support.

    March 15, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    We need a clarification, was Bishop Burton there representing the LDS church, or as an individual supporting something he believes in?

    March 15, 2011 7:58 p.m.

    leni10, we have legal ways to immigrate here. Some of my family came from Mexico, we honored the country by coming legally.

    HB116 has a loophole that makes it toxic to those here illegally. Once they become guest workers, they have to take jobs that Americans won't do, and be paid a fair wage. People working construction will no longer be eligible, since Americans work construction. So the guest workers will be looking for work that pays less, or go home. A person would be foolish to sign up for it.

    Utah's citizens can take the state to court anytime a company hires them for non agriculture work.

    This is a glorified mess that was never thought out. The greed of the business community just did them in.

    Herberts gone. He will find out how big of a joke Dan Jones polls are.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    Dutchman: As your comment was directly at me - I couldn't care less if Herbert has support or not. I WON'T BE HERE!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:44 p.m.

    They say even the very elect will be deceieved in the last days......I would say that based on this very public display on the part of the Bishop that he could be percieved as a wolf in sheeps clothing amongst his own flock and those who live here outside of the church membership....What kind of compassionate message are we delivering to those who believe in honoring and sustaining the law when we look the other way at those who come here illegally through the back door....and what kind of message are we sending to the illegals who have to sell their souls to come here even at the expense of coyotes, child molesters and those who abandon men women and children in the middle ofthe desert for money!

    It is truely a sad day in Mormon history today is......deplorable!

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:36 p.m.


    Look, I Know how "The West was Won"...some lessons in there for everybody...But allowing unabashed immigration means we have no nation...and no matter the ill done in the past, this Nation has made up for it 10 thousand times over in good will. Can't apologize to the Native Americans, ...it wouldn't be good enough, but I wasn't here when it happened, and I am here now, and I see a nation and a way of life worth fighting for.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    Once again, this is not an ecclesiastical issue--it's a matter of national security, national sovereignty, and national survival. Anyone who voted for or signed legislation allowing or encouraging the transfer of taxpaid assets to invaders of the country has no business being in a representative role for anyone who actually pays taxes. This activity is a wake-up call to the people of Utah, and actually serves as a revelation as to how much these people actually serve those who voted for them. Last fall many Americans demonstrated that they've indeed awakened somewhat regarding who sits in Congress. Now they need to do the same thing to cleanse Capitol Hill in Utah. Sometimes people don't realize how amazingly dangerous these people are until something really meaningful hits the docket. This one is extremely meaningful, and it's clear that the ball has been dropped big-time. Let's WAKE UP Utah, and move forward to get some real representatives in office!

  • countryscotty Orem, ut
    March 15, 2011 7:27 p.m.

    I and my husband are state delegates and I pledge here and now to do all that we can to out this worthless Governor that would put people that are not citizens and NOT LEGALLY in this country above the well being of LEGAL citizens and legal immigrants of the state. HB116 goes against Federal laws....and had a note attached that it was not a constitutional law....why would this bill even see the light of day let alone the signature of the governor? I feel sold out by my own legislature!

  • leni10 St. George, Utah
    March 15, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    Congratulation to Gov. Herbert for signing the bill. To all of you who hates "illegals", I just want to ask you if american indian owners of all the land there was, where ever ask if they wanted to live in a reservation? If they were asked if they want your ancestors to come and abuse them and take everything from them? DidnĀ“t all your ancestor came from overseas wanting freedom and opportunities? Lucky and blessed all of you who came first and took by gun point what belong to others. There was a lawless nation so your ancestor felt free to do what they did. BRAVO for them and all of you who thinks that illegals get everything for free. God Bless Gov. Herbert for having the guts to do the right thing.

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:06 p.m.

    Well, here is the first step write the Governor a email. If the law abiding people of Utah flood his in box, maybe he will get a clue. Please note I said maybe. If you write him please keep it civil, but let your position be known. Next step is to get a new Governor and State Congress, dump everyone who voted for this mess, it is time Americans stood up for America.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    Maybe it's time for a real tea party. I am not paying taxes to support a guest worker program for businessmen.

  • natsovrnty Draper, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    Taxation without representation. These fools are for foreign interests and are not for the interest of U.S. citizens.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 15, 2011 7:00 p.m.

    For years we have heard it's unconstitutional for states to enforce the laws, and court costs are an unfunded mandate.

    Hypocrites. Herbert is gone. Open records, strip mines in central Utah, UDOT payoffs, HB116(a slap in the face to Utahns, and a backstabbing to those here illegally who sign up) HB469, a bill to provide servants for the rich. He's not going to get re-elected.

    This state has lost compassion for the worker.

  • JanSan Pocatello, ID
    March 15, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    I am active LDS.
    I think that Bishop Burton was there on his own behalf and not the church.
    That kind of statement would have to come from the First Presidency.
    Bishop Burton have the right and agency to feel as he choose to do so, as do I!
    I have often wondered at how the prophecy that the street of Salt Lake will run with blood will happen, now I wonder no longer.
    I scares me the the goverment is looking at this.. maybe this governor will go down as not only selling out the citizens on the state of Utah but the whole US if the federal goverment gets on board with this also.
    I use to love coming to Salt Lake... not anymore! I will watch conference gladly now on TV and not be wishing that I was there.
    I am soo... etc.. disappointed in this happening that words cannot even begin to tell. I DON"T think he went with the wish of the majority as some have posted, but I believe that he has turned his back on the majority..and caved into the minority. He must be following the example of our President.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 15, 2011 5:46 p.m.


    "You apparently didn't read the bill. It specifically states that you HAVE to be breaking the law to apply for a work permit. This bill is not for honest, law abiding people, it is for dishonest people who have broken the law!

    And as soon as a law-breaking illegal person signs up to get a worker permit, the federal authorities will have caught up with such a person and immediately deport the person and his/her family. This bill is all about hood-winking law-breaking non-Americans into declaring themselves, so that the federal government can more easily deport them."

    I did read the bill, both in letter and in spirit. You are angry because some fellow humans are here without documentation, therefore are law breakers and you want them out no matter the cost. I get that. I suggest we follow our elected Governor and implement a more subtle, humanitarian compassionate approach. Let's allow the new law to fix things so humans can live in compliance with the law and so families can be together forever; here in Utah. Let's share. Let's be kind and giving to all.

  • MormonConservative A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    March 15, 2011 5:36 p.m.

    DN's scared to post this truth, and their moderator will block this truth. MY VIEW. I am an active Mormon, serve the LDS Church well, for over 50 years, and I must say I am disappointed with the Church's stand on this Utah flooded with illegal immigrants issue. KSL ran the Hannity program just to annoy the masses with his verbal abuse of those who didn't see things his way. Well, now it appears that Utah has been "Hannitized" - the Utah voters are becoming mindless masses who spend more time being "anti-everything" than "pro-anything." I am sick and tired of the endless knocking down, with an absolute lack of building up anything. Don't Utah have enough Utahn's to take care of before they molly coddle everyone from Nayarit, Sinaloa, Chihuahua, Mexico and Jalisco?. We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nations laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them. Perhaps the Tea Party then needs to pass a bill that enforces the seperation of church and state. Then demand that Utah's Governor Herbert step down.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    March 15, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Oh boy...where to begin. One can certainly find logic in a state enforcing laws the Fed simply chooses not to, until such a time as the fed can make changes to the Law on the books, it simply must be enforced. It is not Usurping anything to simply prop up the Fed.

    Now, because the AG with the current administration is a little confused about what his job is, we get some pretty whacky messages out of DC. The Man is incompetent...not news to anyone.

    Bring in the gang in Salt Lake. You all could have simply put measures in place to enforce the laws on the books. Nope...we will re-write the laws because they aren't enforced. Uhm...so how are you better? You choose to ignore standing law in a different way. That does not make you hero's, that makes you co-conspirators with an administration that is headed for legal problems.

    Mr. Governor, Mr. AG, just what vision for Utah could you possibly have? Four Words for Ya...Supreme Court Beat Down

    Anbody else see a trait here in these "Solution" bills and HB477...We are Audacious here in Utah.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    March 15, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    At least those who voted for this bill has showed us their hand. Maybe this is a good thing. Lets clean up Capital Hill and vote those in who value our Constitution.

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    March 15, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Hmmmm very interesting indeed. Not even sure if I could come up with an intelligent argument for either side. This will be interesting to see what happens in two years.

  • NT Springville, UT
    March 15, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    My neighbors are legal immigrants who spent many many years and a lot of blood, sweat and tears and money to come here legally - - through the front door. I would hafta side with them that these bills are a slap in their face. Where is the compassion for them? ...and for the rest of us who grew up here not worrying about our native language seeming more and more like a foreign language?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Goodbye Herbert.....

    Welcome Governor Sandstrom~~

  • CJ Murray, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    The floodgates are about to open and we are going to be overrun thanks to our Governor and his sellout on 116. Herbert is done, he may as well sign his resignation. As a registered Republican and delegate I can tell you that I will work overtime to get him recalled or booted in the next election. This is the worst day in Utah history, it will change the state forever and not for the better. The Utah TEA party said it best Gary, game on!! You are going out, sooner rather than later. See if all your illegals can save you now.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    The Mormon contingent on these boards are extremely naive, to put it mildly. We have opened ourselves Pandora's box. You may think you are being "compassionate" to our illegal immigrants, but you have just played into the hands of big business and their lap dogs, the politicians. Thank you for taking my hard earned tax dollar and giving it to people who, by definition, have broken the law and are not worthy of my assistance, especially when the working poor of Utah could make much better use of it. The current resident of the White House has already initiated a series of steps to take my money and redistribute it to those who didn't work for it. Didn't think we'd be iditotic enough to do the same.

  • DavisMan Clearfield, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:53 p.m.

    Well, after reading this and another story this morning about republicans crying about this bill. I have to wonder, why did they pass it. This is Utah, home of the Republican only club. Now the people need to get off there backsides and let the Governor know this welcome mat for law breakers doesn't work for Law abiding Americans.

  • buckdazey Heber City, ut
    March 15, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    Passing the immigration bills was the right thing to do. For too long, no one has done anything, and socially, legally, and financially the situation has just gotten worse. I will be supporting Gov. Herbert and the legislators who voted for this, even if the Federal government obstructs its success.

  • legalimmigrant Springville, Utah
    March 15, 2011 4:43 p.m.

    I will do all I can to remove those lawmakers that voted in favor of giving work permits to illegal aliens, and to remove Herbert in 2012 or sooner. As for the LDS church position on this issue, I will have a serious talk with my bishop this weekend.

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:33 p.m.

    @Johathan Eddy: You said, "people of other races can come here and work without breaking any laws."

    You apparently didn't read the bill. It specifically states that you HAVE to be breaking the law to apply for a work permit. This bill is not for honest, law abiding people, it is for dishonest people who have broken the law!

    And as soon as a law-breaking illegal person signs up to get a worker permit, the federal authorities will have caught up with such a person and immediately deport the person and his/her family. This bill is all about hood-winking law-breaking non-Americans into declaring themselves, so that the federal government can more easily deport them.

  • LDS Cedar City, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    Governor and Legislature: You have done the right thing. It is what you were elected to do. You listened to the majority and followed their wishes.

    There are many who do not like this legislation, but they are in the minority. The VERY VOCAL minority.

    The less vocal majority want fairness, and even compassion, in our treatment of each other. This includes out-of-staters, immigrants, those that are different.

    This is what the LDS Church has called for. Thanks you for listening!

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    March 15, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    The end justifies the means.
    I thought we were better than that.

  • MrsDownhomeAmerica Los Angeles, CA
    March 15, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    There is ample proof in the public record that our current laws are constantly abused and human trafficking is the result. Once our local, Made in USA crime organizations have the kind of power we've been giving them for 20 years, they go after our own children. This is only a small step, but we have to be ever vigilant. I hope it works, but enforcement and inspection have to be high level if it is to work.

    We see rebellions, wars and riots overseas, and blame it on religion, ignorance, or Al Queda. We have got to see to business, and quit using denial as our only coping mechanism or we will be facing a breakdown in the facbric of our own society. "You hear of wars and rumors of war in far places, and say, soon there will be wars in far places, but you know not the hearts of men in your own land."

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    This is legislation we can all live with. Everyone in Utah has emphatically stated that this issue is about the LAW and not about RACE. I agree, this is true. We should be grateful for this bill that we can now prove this out. Now, people of other races can come here and work without breaking any laws. And we can show them that as long as they are obeying the law, they are all welcome here.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    "patriot | 12:43" wrote that the people will not stand for this. Some may not, but many will. In fact a majority will likely support this type of comprehensive solution, or amnesty, as many call it.

    We live in a democratic republic. The legislature and governor have represented us. And I believe they have represented the majority.

    Notice I haven't said which side I support. It doesn't matter in the bigger picture. What matters is that the representatives represent the majority.

  • Happy77 Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    This is the best news all day. Great job Herbert, finally a solution to a perplexing problem. Don't hate but be great!

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Fitness Freak,

    They're not illegal if they pay a fine and are given a permit to be here. That is what HB116 does. If they don't register with us and pay a fine, they'll run a greater risk of being deported. I call it "documenting the undocumented".

    You and others on this board are complaining about legislation that BOTH steps up enforcement AND documents the workers. Waiting for an Enforcement only legislation is a right-wing form of amnesty; it allows the illegals to remain here until the end of time because that type of legislation will never be passed on its own.

    The fact is, the illegals are already here, already took the jobs you are worried about, and already burden our governments... so, given that fact, no, I am not worried about what market forces that are allowed to work will do in regards to my job.

  • Viva la Migra American Fork, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    I hope this motivates Utah voters to identity quality candidates to replace the members of the legislature who refuse to listen to constituents/delegates when it comes to giving amnesty to illegals. From the Governor, Attorney General, Senators and Legislators, there are plenty of people who need to be replaced.

    The only positive thing is maybe the crime rates in neighboring states will go down as the illegals learn about Utah's sanctuary status and migrate there.

  • Speak English - USA West Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:37 p.m.

    I already knew this was coming, what do we need to do now to impeach the Governor and get this bill revoked? I already signed the petition to fight this bill, what else can we do?

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Big Ben, good luck voting for Herbert. If the delegates have their way, he'll never make it that far.

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    I love this legislation. Thank you Governor Herbert for doing something positive for Utah and sending a positive message to all states in America and to the world.

    Americans support Free Trade with our brothers down south. We know it is good for our economy and Mexico, Central and South America or else we would fight to get rid of it. Free Trade means jobs for Americans everywhere and a more robust economy.

    Parallel to Free Trade, an open door guest worker policy to all of our brothers and sisters of Hispanic America to come to the United States will certainly be just as effective as our Free Trade policy has been.

    So kudos to Governor Herbert and to everyone in Utah that supports Free Trade because I know that you will now welcome those coming here with guest worker permits with open arms! I love you citizens of Utah!

  • Jonathan S Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:21 p.m.

    From the article: ""Doing nothing is not an option," Herbert said"

    The brazenness of this red herring is appalling, even for a politician. Somehting is worse than nothing when something represents giving official approval to invasion, U.S. worker displacement, and wage suppression.

    Herbert casts his decision as rebellion against business as usual, when in fact it is the opposite: invaders are advantaged in the near term (until their wages are driven down by the next wave of immigrants) and their employers/exploiters are advantaged in the long term, benefiting from a compliant, docile workforce who will remain so as long as they fear deportation.

  • UtahIsNowCali CAVE CREEK, Arizona
    March 15, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Oh, Utah, Utah....YOU have no idea what your Governor has done. I live in Arizona and I can tell you.....this welcome mat will inevitably EXPLODE on your state. If you believe that your LEO will be able to keep up with the "criminal" element that is on it's way to your state....IT WILL NOT. Arizona has special units JUST for the criminal element of illegal alien human/drug smugglers and can't keep up...not even close. The costs and demands that will be imposed on your state WILL overwhelm you. Not if, but when. And thanks Governor for now encouraging even more illegal crossers into Arizona on their way to Utah. The ONLY up side to this disgrace is that illegal aliens in Arizona may now move to Utah....and good luck with that. Your are going to need it like you have never imagined.

  • botdriver Midvale, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:10 p.m.

    I feel for this state I live in, the govermor is unable to do his job, the churches have him and the lobbyist have him in thier pocket, this state needs to pass a bill that enforces the seperation of church and state, and makes it against the law for them to interfere with state government business, but until then this state is doomed, this bill does nothing to deter illegals, this man has no clue what he has done,and I hope he is recalled for this act.
    What is the purpose of e-verify when you have guest worker, you have to have a social security number to to verify. I guess those want a recall will have to get a petion out to get the votes needed to recall the governor, and get this bill floored as well, start writing yor state congressman today, or say hello to all your new neighbors, and your home equity.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    In another report of today's bill signing, Bishop Burton was quoted as saying: "...our presence here justifies the fact that we are appreciative of what has happened in the Legislature this session."

    I would like to know how Bishop Burton would reconcile the above statement -- presumably in support of HB116 -- with the 12th Article of Faith, and with an official statement released by the Church on November 11th, 2010, which reads, in part:

    "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nations laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

    Fair enough, Deseret News?

  • amljack Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Guess what- there is already a guess worker program. I do not see the federal government giving us a "federal waiver" to provide workpermits to illegal aliens when its the federal government has the authoritative power. The governmental officials are out of their league when trying to resolve immigration. why dont they try working and pushing the federal government when its the federal problem and definately not a state problem.
    Oh by the way-illegals do not get WIC or any state assistance only their USC children do. So whoever things so needs to read the rules again. I work in immigration law and see what happens on a first at hand basis. This law is a joke. The state officials need to focus on state matters and push O'bama to get to work on the immigration matters of this country.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    I am an active Mormon, serve on a High Council and I must say I am disappointed with the Church's stand on this issue. I have a teen age daughter and a college age daughter thinking of serving a mission who cannot find employment because the market has been flooded with immigrants, legal and illegal, who have snapped up everything available. Where is the aid to my children? I work in an industry filled with illegal's, who have mastered the art of driving down wages simultaneously leeching off the welfare system. Don't we have enough Utahn's to take care of before we molly coddle everyone from Nayarit, Sinaloa, Chihuahua, and Jalisco? Give me a break. Governor Herbert and the sponsors of this bill will not be getting my vote next year.

  • hispanic from AF American Fork, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    Today is a day that will down in infamy !!!!!!!! My discuss with those that supported this atrocity (HB 116)is enormous. I will do all in my power to outseat the governor, Robles, Bramble and Wright! My disappontment with the churches is also beyond words!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    "utesovertide" so you don't mind giving up your job to an illegal trespasser I assume?

    Or are illegal trespassers o.k. only as long as they take SOMEONE ELSE'S job?

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    @ Cowboy Joe Thanks for the answer to my question. I'm also for compassion towards illegal immigrants. But what about the Constitution? I know Church leaders support that as well, and the Legislature's lawyers say this package of bills has two unconstitutional programs.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    For those of us who agree with Governor Herbert, we need to vote in the primaries, thats where he is vulnerable. Most Utahn's are in favor of the immigration bills he signed. However those against plan to fight him in the primaries.

    I for one will register to be a Republican so I can vote for him there and dilute the tea party influence.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    Sorry, Gary, if you fail to realize that illegal immigration is the most important issue facing our state today, you should not be nominated for another term as governor.

    I guess we need to post a Wanted ad in the newspaper:

    Wanted: A truly conservative candidate who will enforce the laws to protect our state from the invasion of illegal aliens. Apply to any Republican convention delegate prior to March 2012 caucuses.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    Regardless of what one may think of these two bills. Governor Herbert is to be admired for doing what he belives is right given the threats he has recieved.

    Utah is lucky to have such a Governor of principal.

    (and now I will add my own editorial) ... and wisdom

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Thank you to some on this board. Good to know that there are some sensible people in Utah who are for a solution! The mix of legislation allowing Enforcement of the laws against criminals and those with criminal intents, and allowing a guest-worker program for those who have the desire to work here with appropriate, is a good mix.

    I applaud our leaders in Utah. It's time states stood up and told the Feds how we want them to operate!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 2:01 p.m.

    Congratulations Utah citizens!

    You now get to provide free healthcare, WIC, welfare, education, (and don't forget food bank), to 110,000 illegal aliens in Utah for at least another year!

    A BIG victory for illegal trespassers and their unethical employers!

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    March 15, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    Herbert is done in my book. I will do everything in my power to ensure he does not get re-elected.

  • Big_Ben SLC, UT
    March 15, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    I applaud the governor in this.

    I am tired of all the "this is just amnesty" rhetoric. This is a solution. I don't agree with everything in the bill, but its nice to see taht they were able to get something done.

    I will be voting for Governor Herbert come re-election time.

  • Cowboy Joe Encampment, WY
    March 15, 2011 1:36 p.m.

    Bishop David Burton was their because the church supports the legislation. The church is for compassion. Read 3 Nephi 11- 4 Nephi and read lds churches responsiblity to our neighbors to the south.

    This is the reason Bishop Burton was there.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    March 15, 2011 1:21 p.m.


    Have fun in Wisconsin or California or Arizona or wherever it is you want to go. Herbert will survive because the Church Leaders, Mormon and Catholic, support him. He has already counted the votes.

  • jmfay denver, co
    March 15, 2011 1:01 p.m.

    Why wait UT for 2012? recall now and take the AG with him.

  • American Spartan Orem, Utah
    March 15, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    (sent thru email)

    Governor Herbert,

    Goodbye to 2012 re-election. HB 116 is abominable. How you even sign that bill is a poor excuse, what with unemployment rate in the state of Utah. Signing the bill 116 indicates you DO NOT care about the unemployment and underemployed in the state.

    It's your job as a governor to be COMPASSIONATE for the legal citizen and resident who is unemployed or underemployed, rather than do a backroom deal with the proponents for illegal aliens to hire and exploit, while depriving the citizens and legal residents of the potential relief by mitigating unemployment crisis related to the pandemic of illegal immigration.

    You will expect to hear from the delegates who will remove you at Utah Republican Convention, or face the loss at the voting poll.

    At least I made the right choice in voting for Farley Anderson for Governor, because he was honest and bullish on illegal immigration.

    You sold out, Governor Herbert. You lack courage and foresight, not to mention callous towards the legal people's plight of unemployment (especially among the disabled) here in Utah state.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    March 15, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    This will cost the Governor his seat, unless the bills grant voting rights to illegals also.

  • sjgf South Jordan, UT
    March 15, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Well, HB116 has been signed.

    The law that will never go into effect.

    It's on record now for people to start planning toward for 2 years from now.

    Some current provisions are in direct opposition to federal law. These require the federal government to change its laws before this bill could go into effect. And if the federal government does change its laws, then the legislature will have to adjust some of the language in the bill to reflect whatever changes are made to the federal laws.

    If it were to go into effect as it is, then many illegals would sign up for a guest worker permit, only to have the federal government gain access to the list so that they could deport these illegals more easily under federal guidelines.

    What a strange law.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    March 15, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    If the Legislature's attorneys says the programs are unconstitutional, here's an idea: DON'T DO IT! How hard is that to understand? The Utah Republican Party should take any mention of the Constitution out of their platform, because its obvious they just don't care.

    Also, the article doesn't mention why Bishop Burton was there. Does anyone know what he said?

  • Ironweed Chattanooga, TN
    March 15, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Utah has entered into an agreement with a foreign country in direct opposition to its constitutional right to do so with Obama's blessing while Arizona gets sued for defending national laws? This is surreal.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 15, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    this bill will not stand... or Herbert will not stand in 2012 ... one or the other ... maybe both will go down in flames. People simply will not stand for a bill that grants amnesty to illegals. It doesn't matter how much window dressing is applied to the bill to spin things - it is still an amnesty bill and it will not stand. This isn't about being charitable - this is about being constitutional and lawful and protecting the real citizens of Utah and the United States. Herbert is walking on politically dangerous ground by toying with amnesty and this single issue could be his undoing.

  • attentive Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    For the last couple of years I've been thinking of moving out of the state; this just seals the deal for me.

  • Ali999 Lansing, MI
    March 15, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    The federal government already has guest worker programs, H2-A and B, for unskilled labor. The former is for unskilled seasonal agricultural labor (no caps) and the latter for unskilled labor in other fields. Guess what? Employers don't want to use these programs as long as they can get illegal aliens for less and without any accountability. Illegal aliens don't like to use them either. Why would they want a record of their presence here, and to have to pay taxes?

  • MomTaxpayerCitizen Olathe, KS
    March 15, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    If I thought ALL our foreign freeloaders and criminals would relocate to Utah, and Utah wouldn't receive federal funding for their welfare, free educations, free health care, etc., I'd say, "Yipee!"