Lawmakers give themselves B+ grade for session

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  • Charles History Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    Re: "Rifleman" 7:14

    I would agree but, they have polluted the process of elections that things will never change. Voters know this, that is why they do not vote, (the lowest in the nation).

    Our legislatures are for themselves and their friends. They will not give up their power, (to the victor goes the spoils). To heck with the rest of us.

  • L Central Utah, UT
    March 13, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    From a previous post: "Channel 4 did a poll to see if people thought the session was a success. 90% thought it was a failure. Does this tell you how out-of-touch these people are?"

    While it is usually good to focus on the positive, that may be hard to do. Certainly I havn't seen a lot have of people come to their defense.

    I do know some of their actions have continued the feeling "Those carzy Utah people" that abounds. We have very little influence amoung the states and I doubt that our "B+" legislature has helped that very much. I have been in meetings where business expansion was considered & Utah was mentioned and even showed that it would be profitable, they choose not to come because they did not feel good about the governing of the state regardless of the grade they give themselves.

    I give myself a A+ also, but I doubt that everyone else would agree (maybe my 2 year old granddaughter who thinks I'm great.)

    My opinion is from the point of view of a Utah resident (who has lived in many other places), that B+ is inflated and not right!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    March 12, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    Vote them all out...

    My grade for them: "J-"
    (I see them as getting between 2% and 3% for the term.

    Lower than an "F" -- It's a "J-"...

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 12, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    Re: Mom of Seven | 2:40 p.m. March 12, 2011

    You had your chance to vote them all out last November. You can thank Obama and Obamacare for the Republican surge both in Utah and across the USA.

    It didn't help the Democrats in Utah any when their candidate for Governor, Peter Corroon, was't even able to carry Salt Lake County.

  • Mom of Seven West Valley City, UT
    March 12, 2011 2:40 p.m.

    This is why we never let kids in school grade their own papers. How absolutely pathetic. They are very corrupt and I want them all voted out. We need to get some honest men up on Capitol hill.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    March 12, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Channel 4 did a poll to see if people thought the session was a success. 90% thought it was a failure. Does this tell you how out-of-touch these people are? We've known for years that the invasion of this country and our state is a very serious problem; so what does the Legislature do? They figure out a creative way to make it even worse! It's obvious that they're pandering to special interests, and that many of them are suffering from extreme dilusional thinking--but it goes on and on and on, year after year. Maybe we need to work harder to find some people who actually represent us on Capitol Hill.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    March 12, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    The legislators giving themselves a B+ and not D+? It is more than people voting these legislators out of office. Some dont get the real acid test during the process here in Utah. When legislators are elected, especially if they are up for reelection, they dont have too much competition within their District. At the caucus and county and state convention, if the individuals get 60 percent of the delegate votes, the candidates dont even have to runoff in the Primary. That means they are usually pretty much elected in most Districts, Counties and the State as they dont even have a Democrat running against them, except in Salt Lake City and some of the County areas. There is not really a plurality in Utah. I used to think one could be involved in the caucus and as a delegate and work from within the party. At the last caucus, we had about 80 people in the meeting when we have had as few as 6-9 individuals in some years. The legislators, including retreads and some with many years in their position, feel that they are there because of the intellect and abilities.

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    March 12, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    How can we force open primaries? I see the lack of primaries as the major problem with getting rid of these people.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Next time you follow someone plodding along in the fast lane or signalling left for seven miles, think about how they would answer the question "are you a good driver?" Of course they are. Just ask them. Same thing applies here.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    I give them an F, with a few other letters after (if you know what I mean).

  • Tami Herriman, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:01 a.m.

    Let us not forget this session and how WELL our lawmakers listened to us. Republican or democrat will not matter if we change the nominee at the convention. Don't let this travesty be forgotten. This session of the legislature must be the last one for all of these people.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 12, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    Maybe they graded themselves on their efforts to save the "Republic" from a "Democracy" where the masses can take the hard earned money from the Koch Brothers and redistribute it as taxes to fund entitlements to those who won't work.

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    March 12, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    I agree with almost all of you on this post!! However, what are you going to do about it?? Have you got enough guts to campaign against these people in the next election?? If not, just shut up and go back in your hole!! The reason this happened is that you go to the ballot box with your friends and keep putting in the same people over and over until they think they know best what is good for us.

    And sadly, our governor is more concerned with an upcoming election than in doing what is right for the citizens.

    Right now this is a sad state to live in!! I, for one, am going to do my best to get some real citizens elected to our legislature next time around.

    Will you do your part?

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 12, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Another indication that they have been brainwashed with Republican party dogma so long that they have lost touch with reality.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Back in high school when my teacher let ME correct my own papers I ALWAYS seemed to be a straight A student.

    Since then, others have demonstrated to me that I'm not as smart as I thought!

    Lawmakers: LISTEN to your constituents!

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Of course they do. They are the most pompous and arrogant bunch we have ever had on the hill. Shame on us for electing these arrogant buffoons.

  • scambuster American Fork, UT
    March 12, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    What arrogance! Why do they get to grade themselves? They are so disconnected from the people they are supposed to serve that they have the audacity to preemptively grade themselves. I give them an F on ethics; an A on their smoke and mirrors games; an F on their support of teachers; and an F- on transparency. Overall, they deserve an F.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    Nice to see that the people disagree. Now if we will only transfer this to the ballot box.

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Honestly, what came out of this session, that had the welfare of Utah's citizens in it? 477, let them hide the backdoor sessions and not talk about it? Or maybe still allow illegal immigrants to drive? No e-verify to protect jobs? Come one come all Guest Worker Program for illegal immigrants? No programs for citizen jobs? Still waiting on enforcement measure for illegal immigrants? We still pay tuition for Illegal Immigrants? Nothing for citizens was involved in this session. Nothing!
    I think the deserve an At in backroom deals and successfully cheating the citizens out of protection and jobs.

  • DBeck Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:30 a.m.

    Sadly, the only place any of this will matter is here. We are all ticked off, but not enough come election time to do a thing about this session. Next session, January - March 2012, they will make sure they do not pull the stunts pulled this round because the entire House and a number of Senators will be up for elections. They may sneak some stuff in because they assume we will all be obsessing about whomever the GOP runs against President Obama, but they will generally watch their step. These people actually believe they represent the people of Utah, but, as was evidenced in the 2011 session, it felt a great deal like they played rulers and we were expected to be loyal subjects. Vote 'em out in 2012 if you really are tired of the same old thing and worse year after year. Don't let R and D blindness determine your vote.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    This just shows how little the legislature knows about being a teacher.


    These guys should be no where near an education system. Pat yourselves on the backs all you want but this was a poor legislative session. One that made me sad to call myself a Republican. There was too much micromanaging put into place and too much taking away of local control. Especially when it comes to education in our state. The legislature just needs to get out of the education business completely except for the funding. Even that part they don't do well. In fact if I were a teacher grading funding on a curve, Utah would be at the very bottom.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2011 6:41 a.m.

    When it comes to this Legislature "We Have Been Jimmered"!!

  • tom_e Kaysville, UT
    March 12, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    It is too bad the Deseret Media Corp., the Salt Lake Chamber, and the legislators work behind the scenes on issues like immigration and then the media complains about the openness of the legislators.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    March 12, 2011 6:30 a.m.

    What do they think they are on Saturday Night Live. I didn't read the story the headline said it all. You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig.
    This may very well be the biggest fraud ever loosed on Utah!!!

  • AmPatriot Kearns, UT
    March 12, 2011 3:56 a.m.

    How arrogant can they get, I'd give them a large double bold F minus. They failed at every issue and accomplished nothing about our economy and over spending. In fact they mad everything worse.

    Michale Waddupps, you have had your last election you turncoat traitor as you have turned your back on your constituents, the citizens of this state and Taylorsville for the last time.

    The legislators this session seemed to have given Utah citizens the impression that Mexico voted them in to office and they now work for the Mexican government and illegal Mexicans hiding from the federal government in Utah sheltered communities.

    This legislative session has stripped the citizens of Utah of more civil and constitutional rights by destroying our right to petition our government. However, they also have not enforced the constitutional law that prohibits illegal aliens from organizing and petitioning and terrorizing citizen and government leaders in a government they have no vote in. This is evidence of failure to listen and failure to obey the will of the citizens. The will of business and illegal aliens is none of the state legislators concern, it is the citizens 'will' they should fear.

  • Richard Saunders Provo, UT
    March 12, 2011 1:19 a.m.

    In regards to that last quote where Waddoups said, "Our whole lives don't need to be public"; that may be true sir, but the PUBLIC servant part of your life should be public. Get a personal cell phone, email account, pager number, facebook page and what not if you don't want the world to know. But if you're making calls on a taxpayer provided phone to a corporation about a taxpayer funded contract or something else that effects us, we have a right to know. Please look outside the Capitol to see that not many Utahns are giving you a B. The arrogance is truly astounding.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 11, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    The most important thing is that we can shoot a feral cat with our state gun. :)

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    March 11, 2011 10:31 p.m.


    The sad part is they honestly believe this.

    This has to go down as one of the worst sessions in state history.

    Stripped away from the teachers what little they had left, took away the public's rights to know what their own representatives are doing, allowed guns at schools.

    A solid D-.


  • praxis Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2011 10:09 p.m.


    It's definitely a strong F-

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    March 11, 2011 9:24 p.m.

    I'm not sure I can even comment with the gall these legislators display.

    A grade of a B or B+???

    HB 477 alone was a solid F.
    Then you throw in HB 83, SB 59,SB 73,SB 97,SB 206,SB 256 and the list goes on.

    My grade?? D- with a citizenship grade -- Needs Improvement, should show more concern for others, doesn't interact well with constituents, uses cell phones openly in class getting secret messages.

    I'm disgusted.

  • OJF64 Sandy, UT
    March 11, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    Big Fat D is what the deserve (opinion of a tax payer)

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    March 11, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    How many jobs did they help create? Why didn't the legislature cut their benefit package to save the state some tax money?

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    Talk about narcissistic, self-serving hogwash. The repeal of GRAMA has angered and frustrated most Utahns, and you give yourself a B+? I'd give them a D-...and that's being nice.

  • open minded Lehi, UT
    March 11, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    If legislators can grade themselves, why won't they let schools grade themselves?